Matt39 Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The next Brady Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 He used to suck in Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 3 letters... HGH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 3 letters... HGH! Proof? Changed his batting stance and has finally had a chance at consistent playing time. Thos two things can do wonders. No reason to assume anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 To make a leap from 13 homers at 28 to 52 and counting at 29 is Ortizian, or Ariasian, depending on which way you look at it. Suspect he dissappeared into the DR last winter for some serious boli. Aslo, he's arbitration eligible for 2011 at a realtively cheap price for the Jays to keep him. Might have been a better idea to do this next years with free agency in 2012. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bautijo02.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Proof? Changed his batting stance and has finally had a chance at consistent playing time. Thos two things can do wonders. No reason to assume anything. This is baseball, i dont trust anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 He always had good power potential, he just sucked. I think this is a fluke year though, he'll be around 30-40 HR next season after people start taking him seriously, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Proof? Changed his batting stance and has finally had a chance at consistent playing time. Thos two things can do wonders. No reason to assume anything. Must be nice to be so naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Brady Anderson sounds about right. I don't think he did anything but get playing time and stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Must be nice to be so naive. I'm not naive. There's a chance he could be using something, but I don't have any reason to believe he did. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 those Canadian doctors are crooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I'm not naive. There's a chance he could be using something, but I don't have any reason to believe he did. Do you? Here's my reason. 2006 (25 years old): 16 HR/51 RBI in 400 at bats 2007 (26 years old): 15 HR/63 RBI in 532 at bats 2008 (27 years old): 15 HR/54 RBI in 370 at bats 2009 (28 years old): 13 HR/40 RBI in 336 at bats 2010 (29 years old): 52 HR/119 RBI in 548 at bats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Here's my reason. 2006 (25 years old): 16 HR/51 RBI in 400 at bats 2007 (26 years old): 15 HR/63 RBI in 532 at bats 2008 (27 years old): 15 HR/54 RBI in 370 at bats 2009 (28 years old): 13 HR/40 RBI in 336 at bats 2010 (29 years old): 52 HR/119 RBI in 548 at bats Players typically develop their peak seasons at age 27 or 28. Looks like Bautista was injured those years, so he may not have been able to achieve his peak until 29, possibly. It is not outside the realm of possibility that he is achieving this in a clean manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Players typically develop their peak seasons at age 27 or 28. Looks like Bautista was injured those years, so he may not have been able to achieve his peak until 29, possibly. It is not outside the realm of possibility that he is achieving this in a clean manner. That may all be true. But the only other player to make a homer jump like that at 28/29 is David Arias/Ortiz. And there's pretty much no doubt he used PEDs to help make that jump. Again I couldn't fault anyone for doing it. But it's delusional to think a 300%+ power increase just happens because of more ABs. In both cases organizations who know talent gave up on these players in their mid-20s. Something else, something chemical, was and is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 That may all be true. But the only other player to make a homer jump like that at 28/29 is David Arias/Ortiz. And there's pretty much no doubt he used PEDs to help make that jump. Again I couldn't fault anyone for doing it. But it's delusional to think a 300%+ power increase just happens because of more ABs. In both cases organizations who know talent gave up on these players in their mid-20s. Something else, something chemical, was and is going on. Davey Johnson went from 5 home runs to 43 home runs in 1973 at the age of 30. I seriously doubt that was steroid induced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 If he hits another 50 next year, maybe I'll consider steroids. I think he's just been lucky. You could also say 5 teams saw the potential to give this guy a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Eh, who knows...now, if I saw a sudden jump with other players putting up these numbers this year, I would definitely say yes, he's using something...but, he's all alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 If he hits another 50 next year, maybe I'll consider steroids. I think he's just been lucky. You could also say 5 teams saw the potential to give this guy a chance. and 4 of them showed him the door.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanDoug Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 those Canadian doctors are crooked Don't come up here for health care, your head will get bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 Mashing again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Mashing again this year. Arguably the best player in the game right now. Hopefully he is clean as he is something to watch. 18 bombs already and he missed over a week of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 ofcourse he's clean, nobody in baseball cheats anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 ofcourse he's clean, nobody in baseball cheats anymore Maybe he got some stem cells like Bartolo. Or maybe regular at bats and a swing adjustment helped. Who knows. No reason to doubt him unless he pops positive. Innocent until proven guilty on that accord. At least that is the America I thought we lived in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Maybe he got some stem cells like Bartolo. Or maybe regular at bats and a swing adjustment helped. Who knows. No reason to doubt him unless he pops positive. Innocent until proven guilty on that accord. At least that is the America I thought we lived in. No one is saying he should go to jail. This isn't a criminal matter. He's guilty just like every other player who magically discovers how to hit for power at 30. That isn't a natural career progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 No one is saying he should go to jail. This isn't a criminal matter. He's guilty just like every other player who magically discovers how to hit for power at 30. That isn't a natural career progression. So he is guilty based on your assumption? I don't think we ought to lump him in with the rest because he is hitting well now. It happens. And without the help of drugs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 So he is guilty based on your assumption? I don't think we ought to lump him in with the rest because he is hitting well now. It happens. And without the help of drugs too. There is a difference between "hitting well" and magically learning how to hit for power after his 30th birthday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 There is a difference between "hitting well" and magically learning how to hit for power after his 30th birthday... So you're just going to convict him with no actual evidence? Is that how it works now? That's a terrible way to do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 So you're just going to convict him with no actual evidence? Is that how it works now? That's a terrible way to do things. I have no power to convict anyone. I just know what natural and what isn't. Guys don't learn how to hit for power at 30 without help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I have no power to convict anyone. I just know what natural and what isn't. Guys don't learn how to hit for power at 30 without help. There are a few instances of this happening before the steroid era. I just don't know why there automatically are accusations that are completely baseless. If he popped positive on a test, sure, then we know why. I just choose to give them the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 No one is saying he should go to jail. This isn't a criminal matter. He's guilty just like every other player who magically discovers how to hit for power at 30. That isn't a natural career progression. How did Davey Johnson do it? Just because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion of how things are (which is often incorrect), does not mean it can't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 There are a few instances of this happening before the steroid era. I just don't know why there automatically are accusations that are completely baseless. If he popped positive on a test, sure, then we know why. I just choose to give them the benefit of the doubt. How did Davey Johnson do it? Just because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion of how things are (which is often incorrect), does not mean it can't happen. You guys honestly can't fault people for thinking steroids though, can you? How many times have we seen this before? I'm not going to say Bautista is using, but if it comes out that he did, I wouldn't be surprised. You can thank the cloud of suspicion caused by the Wild West attitude of the 90's for people's baseless accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 You guys honestly can't fault people for thinking steroids though, can you? How many times have we seen this before? I'm not going to say Bautista is using, but if it comes out that he did, I wouldn't be surprised. You can thank the cloud of suspicion caused by the Wild West attitude of the 90's for people's baseless accusations. he may be. But, no one should say that he DEFINITELY is. That is just as wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 If Bautista is juicing, then Curtis Granderson is also juicing. /As Yankee fans flee for the door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 You guys honestly can't fault people for thinking steroids though, can you? How many times have we seen this before? I'm not going to say Bautista is using, but if it comes out that he did, I wouldn't be surprised. You can thank the cloud of suspicion caused by the Wild West attitude of the 90's for people's baseless accusations. There is definitely a reason to be suspicious, of course. That said, it shouldn't be automatically assumed that he is because there is suspicion. That's all I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 How did Davey Johnson do it? Just because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion of how things are (which is often incorrect), does not mean it can't happen. I had an idea why Johnson jumped up. And the facts bear it out. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnsda02.shtml Because he went from an Orioles' lineup without Frank Robinson and aging Boog Powell and Brooks Robinson as marginal power threats in spacious Memorial Park to a Braves' power-packed lineup featuring Darrell Evans, Ralph Garr and Hank Aaron in their primes and Dusty Baker coming into his own, all playing in a launching pad Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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