Henne vs Sanchez- Week 4 Edition

[miamirocks]

Hey Guys

I am a Dolphins fan and I will try to be as objective as possible.

Last week, both guys had a great game.

Henne threw at 26 for 44 for 363 yards. That's a 59.1% completion percentage. He threw for 2 Touchdowns and 1 Interception and had a QB Rating of 91.4

Sanchez threw at 15 for 28 for 256 yards. That's a 53.6% completion percentage. He threw for 3 Touchdowns and 0 Interceptions and had a QB Rating of 120.4

For those that watched the game (all of us hopefully), we know that Henne's pick was during the last seconds, when it matters most, but also on 4th down when he had no choice but to throw it. IMO, he made an ok throw and Fasano had at least a chance to catch it. The touchdowns were nice passes, and he was very good on 3rd down most of the game.

Sanchez had 3 very nice touchdowns and some would be picks where he got lucky. He was clutch on 3rd down as well, especially at the beginning of the game.

Let's compare this season:

Henne threw at 56 for 93 for 659 yards. That's a 60% completion percentage. He threw for 3 Touchdowns and 1 Interception and had a QB Rating of 88.1

Sanchez threw at 46 for 79 for 550 yards. That's a 58.2% completion percentage. He threw for 6 Touchdowns and 0 Interceptions and had a QB Rating of 104.9

For those who have watched this season, we know that Sanchez was held on a short leash on Week 1, and Henne was held on a short leash for the 1st 2 weeks. Sanchez has had 2 tremendous games in a row, and Henne had been a succesful game manager for 2 weeks, and was unleashed succesfully against the Jets. What I think Sanchez has improved the most on is in decision making. He doesn't throw so many unnecesary balls into coverage.

Henne has imrpoved a lot in touch passes. He used to throw a bullet 1 yard away, but now he's learned not to.

Career Wise:

Henne- 20 games(2 were not starts)- 337 for 556. That's a 60.6 completion percentage for 3604 yards. 15 TD's, 15 INT's. QB Rating of 77.4

Sanchez- 18 games(all starts but doesn't account for playoffs, if somebody can find those, let me know the totals)- 242 for 343 for 2994 yards. 54.6% completion percentage. 18TD's, 20INT'S

Me, I would pick Henne. He has more experience. You guys can say that it means that Sanchez has more upside, but there's a certain age where you have to learn something at. Henne has had more time to do it at the appropriate age, and learn behind a veteran, as well as start 4 years, so I think that's irreplacable.

Sanchez has gone from starting in high school to starting in the NFL in 2 to 3 years. That hinders him.

I see that Henne stares down his throws alot which I don't like. Dont know if Sanchez does that as well. I like that Henne can go deep and not turn the ball over. He usually puts the ball only where his receivers can catch it. Not the defense. Even if that means a lot of incompletions. And this year, the interception at the end was the 1st pass all year that had a real chance of being picked.

I like how he can put it between defenders using his cannon. I love his size and weight. He is a big guy and it helps him a lot.

I dislike, aside from his staring, that he doesn't have too much speed.

I like Sanchez's running ability which can help him escape from trouble. I like that he hasn't turned the ball over this year, despite many opportunities where it was close. He can also throw deep and has a strong arm. He is not afraid to check down if he needs to.

I dont like how he forces throws some times though.

I think both will have fine careers and this will be a fun rivalry to follow. I hope Sanchez chokes but he has proven me wrong many times, so I respect the guy. I still hope he chokes though. Not literally

I want to see you guy's insight.

[Jetsfan80]

Which is the one that has won 2 playoff games? I choose that one.

[miamirocks]

Which is the one that has won 2 playoff games? I choose that one.

Did he win them by himself? Did he play a big part in winning those games?

[THE ILK]

If the object's still to win games, I'll take Sanchez.

[Irish Jet]

For the most part that's pretty decent and I can respect that you wouldn't know all that much about Sanchez's backround, I'd say the same for Henne.

For me I've loved Sanchez from day 1 and always thought he would be a star. That has NEVER changed. I wanted us to draft him and we did. Last season I thought he showed great promise, stepping in unfazed in week 1 and playing extremely well. That ended with a huge tumble through the season but again, come playoff time he steps in unfazed and delivered.

The guys just has it for me. Always has. He had the growing pains I expected him to have and lke you rigthfully pointed out, he seems to have learned form it. He's not forcing blind throws, he's progressing through his reads and making sound desicions that wont kill the team. When he sees a play donwfield he's pretty damn good at making it. This season, Baltimore included, I've loved the kid. That game he was simply handcuffed, he never stood a chance at looking good when the gameplan had him so restricted. He needs to be allowed to throw the ball.

In week 2 he showed so much. All the criticism that he had recived, a Pats offense methodically going through our defense, 7-0 down, having just thrown a near pick, only been on the field for 3 PLAYS in the first quarter etc. And what does he do? Staring 0-2 (And what looked like a potential blowout) he put the team on his back and CARRIED us down the field for the tying touchdown. It was great and a moment that had me so reassured that he was exactly what I thought he was going to be.

As for Henne I like him, he'll be good if nothing else. Haven't seen enough of him to say otherwise. Sanchez though IS the real deal. He will be a star in this league, mark my words.

[Irish Jet]

Did he win them by himself? Did he play a big part in winning those games?

He's the QB. He always plays a big part.

For a rookie, he should never be expected to "win them by himself". That's insane for the playoffs, but he did what he had to do. He didn't kill us and made plays when they were there to be made. For a rookie QB in the playoffs, that is excellent production.

[slats]

Career Wise:

Henne- 20 games(2 were not starts)- 337 for 556. That's a 60.6 completion percentage for 3604 yards. 15 TD's, 15 INT's. QB Rating of 77.4

Sanchez- 18 games(all starts but doesn't account for playoffs, if somebody can find those, let me know the totals)- 242 for 343 for 2994 yards. 54.6% completion percentage. 18TD's, 20INT'S

Sanchez in the playoffs last year: 41 of 68 (60.3%) for 539 yards (7.9 ypa), 4 TD's and 2 int's for a 92.7 QB rating.

It's hard not to be a homer here, but Sanchez got out of his own way down the stretch last year, came into his own in the playoffs, and despite the rocky opener he's been the Jets' MVP thru three games this season. I definitely do see more upside with the kid. And in two weeks, he gets Santonio Holmes to throw to, too.

[ZachEY]

Username: miamirocks

Poll Title Includes: Try Not being a homer

Posters Opinion: I'll take Henne.

I'm shocked.

[THE ILK]

Username: miamirocks

Poll Title Includes: Try Not being a homer

Posters Opinion: I'll take Henne.

I'm shocked.

Let's play the troll game, shall we...

Maybe we should start a poll Fitzpatrick vs Henne

Fitzpatrick 1 game 30 points, pro rated to 90.

Henne 3 games 52 points.

Who ya got?

[freestater]

Henne had been a succesful game manager for 2 weeks, and was unleashed succesfully against the Jets.

he threw a pick that cost you the game. Sorry, but that isn't "unleashed successfully".

Henne sucked at Michigan, and will continue to do so.

[neckdemon]

why are phag fans so obssessed with comparing henne to sanchez? i can see talking about it once in a while but it's like a daily conversation for you guys. just be happy you have a qb that looks like he will be decent. talk about inferiority complex jeez

[LWC611]

Hey Guys

I am a Dolphins fan and I will try to be as objective as possible.

Last week, both guys had a great game.

Henne threw at 26 for 44 for 363 yards. That's a 59.1% completion percentage. He threw for 2 Touchdowns and 1 Interception and had a QB Rating of 91.4

Sanchez threw at 15 for 28 for 256 yards. That's a 53.6% completion percentage. He threw for 3 Touchdowns and 0 Interceptions and had a QB Rating of 120.4

For those that watched the game (all of us hopefully), we know that Henne's pick was during the last seconds, when it matters most, but also on 4th down when he had no choice but to throw it. IMO, he made an ok throw and Fasano had at least a chance to catch it. The touchdowns were nice passes, and he was very good on 3rd down most of the game.

Sanchez had 3 very nice touchdowns and some would be picks where he got lucky. He was clutch on 3rd down as well, especially at the beginning of the game.

Let's compare this season:

Henne threw at 56 for 93 for 659 yards. That's a 60% completion percentage. He threw for 3 Touchdowns and 1 Interception and had a QB Rating of 88.1

Sanchez threw at 46 for 79 for 550 yards. That's a 58.2% completion percentage. He threw for 6 Touchdowns and 0 Interceptions and had a QB Rating of 104.9

For those who have watched this season, we know that Sanchez was held on a short leash on Week 1, and Henne was held on a short leash for the 1st 2 weeks. Sanchez has had 2 tremendous games in a row, and Henne had been a succesful game manager for 2 weeks, and was unleashed succesfully against the Jets. What I think Sanchez has improved the most on is in decision making. He doesn't throw so many unnecesary balls into coverage.

Henne has imrpoved a lot in touch passes. He used to throw a bullet 1 yard away, but now he's learned not to.

Career Wise:

Henne- 20 games(2 were not starts)- 337 for 556. That's a 60.6 completion percentage for 3604 yards. 15 TD's, 15 INT's. QB Rating of 77.4

Sanchez- 18 games(all starts but doesn't account for playoffs, if somebody can find those, let me know the totals)- 242 for 343 for 2994 yards. 54.6% completion percentage. 18TD's, 20INT'S

Me, I would pick Henne. He has more experience. You guys can say that it means that Sanchez has more upside, but there's a certain age where you have to learn something at. Henne has had more time to do it at the appropriate age, and learn behind a veteran, as well as start 4 years, so I think that's irreplacable.

Sanchez has gone from starting in high school to starting in the NFL in 2 to 3 years. That hinders him.

I see that Henne stares down his throws alot which I don't like. Dont know if Sanchez does that as well. I like that Henne can go deep and not turn the ball over. He usually puts the ball only where his receivers can catch it. Not the defense. Even if that means a lot of incompletions. And this year, the interception at the end was the 1st pass all year that had a real chance of being picked.

I like how he can put it between defenders using his cannon. I love his size and weight. He is a big guy and it helps him a lot.

I dislike, aside from his staring, that he doesn't have too much speed.

I like Sanchez's running ability which can help him escape from trouble. I like that he hasn't turned the ball over this year, despite many opportunities where it was close. He can also throw deep and has a strong arm. He is not afraid to check down if he needs to.

I dont like how he forces throws some times though.

I think both will have fine careers and this will be a fun rivalry to follow. I hope Sanchez chokes but he has proven me wrong many times, so I respect the guy. I still hope he chokes though. Not literally

I want to see you guy's insight.

Long winded post from a Dolphins fan comparing Sanchez to Henne and he comes out thinking Henne is better....

Wow thanks for your objective view (Sarcasm)

[JiF]

I flip flopped this offseason...coming into it...I though Sanchez was better and the only reason why I liked Sanchez more is because of his playoff experience. They are pretty equal with Henne having a slight edge but the playoff experience trumped that. Not to mention Henne choked down the stretch and Sanchez shined.

Then the preseason came around and Sanchez looked like straight doodoo. And I got to see Henne live and he showed some flashes of being the real deal.

Now the season has come around and Sanchez looks totally different. Henne really only looked good against the Jets, but looked average against Buffalo and Minn. I think Sanchez is currently playing better but they are 2 good young QB's and I honestly cant tell who is better overall.

Slight edge to Sanchez because he's pretty much on fire and he's got the playoff experience.

Yes, I just flip flopped again.

[The Crusher]

I flip flopped this offseason...coming into it...I though Sanchez was better and the only reason why I liked Sanchez more is because of his playoff experience. They are pretty equal with Henne having a slight edge but the playoff experience trumped that. Not to mention Henne choked down the stretch and Sanchez shined.

Then the preseason came around and Sanchez looked like straight doodoo. And I got to see Henne live and he showed some flashes of being the real deal.

Now the season has come around and Sanchez looks totally different. Henne really only looked good against the Jets, but looked average against Buffalo and Minn. I think Sanchez is currently playing better but they are 2 good young QB's and I honestly cant tell who is better overall.

Slight edge to Sanchez because he's pretty much on fire and he's got the playoff experience.

Yes, I just flip flopped again.

100% agreed. Next topic please.

[Klecko73isGod]

Username: miamirocks

Poll Title Includes: Try Not being a homer

Posters Opinion: I'll take Henne.

I'm shocked.

Not to mention my new favorite Dolphin fan trend - their uncanny ability to notice and remember seemingly every last detail of every near pick Mark Sanchez throws while simultaneously not being able to recollect Henne throwing any nearly intercepted passes himself.

[THE ILK]

why are phag fans so obssessed with comparing henne to sanchez? i can see talking about it once in a while but it's like a daily conversation for you guys. just be happy you have a qb that looks like he will be decent. talk about inferiority complex jeez

It's because this is the 1st QB they had since Marino, that may end up being better than Chad Pennington.

[Irish Jet]

I flip flopped this offseason...coming into it...I though Sanchez was better and the only reason why I liked Sanchez more is because of his playoff experience. They are pretty equal with Henne having a slight edge but the playoff experience trumped that. Not to mention Henne choked down the stretch and Sanchez shined.

Then the preseason came around and Sanchez looked like straight doodoo. And I got to see Henne live and he showed some flashes of being the real deal.

Now the season has come around and Sanchez looks totally different. Henne really only looked good against the Jets, but looked average against Buffalo and Minn. I think Sanchez is currently playing better but they are 2 good young QB's and I honestly cant tell who is better overall.

Slight edge to Sanchez because he's pretty much on fire and he's got the playoff experience.

Yes, I just flip flopped again.

Cue a Sanchez 5 pick performance against Bufallo and continued struggles until JiF's love finally goes back to Henne.

[serphnx]

The only other rookie QBs I remember in the playoffs are Ben the Rapist and Joe Flacco. Ben did absolutely nothing, and Flacco STILL has yet to show up for a playoff game himself. In fact, Sanchez probably has better stats in the playoffs already than all of Flacco's playoff games combined.

Ben of course went on to do well, but he didn't show up in the Super Bowl his second year either.

[THE ILK]

The only other rookie QBs I remember in the playoffs are Ben the Rapist and Joe Flacco. Ben did absolutely nothing, and Flacco STILL has yet to show up for a playoff game himself. In fact, Sanchez probably has better stats in the playoffs already than all of Flacco's playoff games combined.

Ben of course went on to do well, but he didn't show up in the Super Bowl his second year either.

Matt Ryan also.

[NIGHT STALKER]

Username: miamirocks

Poll Title Includes: Try Not being a homer

Posters Opinion: I'll take Henne.

I'm shocked.

Good one...

[miamirocks]

Not to mention my new favorite Dolphin fan trend - their uncanny ability to notice and remember seemingly every last detail of every near pick Mark Sanchez throws while simultaneously not being able to recollect Henne throwing any nearly intercepted passes himself.

So because I picked Henne Im a homer? Im not calling you guys homers because you guys most likely picked Sanchez. Its your opinion. The poll is pretty useless if you think about it.

But if you want to think that way, sure.

I acutally praised Sanchez for the most part. I didn't criticize Sanchez heavily because of his picks, since I said that he had improved that,and I criticized Chad where I thought he needed the criticism.

Enlighten me with your thoughts please instead of criticizing the others

[Larz]

sanchez had like 30 fewer college starts, and is a year behind henne in his NFL experience, and they are more or less equal right now, so I'd have to say sanchez has the better chance of becoming a guy that can win you playoff games by putting a team on his back

and he's just so darned cute

with the game on the line, sanchez leads his team to a TD, henne leads his team to a endzone INT

now can we borrow wake for a few months ?

[miamirocks]

sanchez had like 30 fewer college starts, and is a year behind henne in his NFL experience, and they are more or less equal right now, so I'd have to say sanchez has the better chance of becoming a guy that can win you playoff games by putting a team on his back

and he's just so darned cute

with the game on the line, sanchez leads his team to a TD, henne leads his team to a endzone INT

now can we borrow wake for a few months ?

First, you didn't read my post. That might either be a positive or a negative. Having fewer college starts is a negative to me that will have a negative effect on him, not a positive one like you guys make it seem. But that's my humble opinion. There's a good chance that you guys are the ones that are right. In NFL experience, Sanchez has more games under his belt, but Henne has more practice time.

With the game on the line, Henne has been pretty damn good as well. You guys are just looking at one game, which was the recent one. And he still did well then in my opinion. He drove the team down the field around 80 yards, in a matter of seconds, and made a pretty good throw on 4th down, but the wrong guy caught it. Can't fault him for that.

Using the logic you guys are using, with the game on the line(almost), Sanchez threw a pass to Langford that is an INT most of the time. A horrible throw right to him inches away. That was a worse pass than Henne's to Fasano, as well as the Jason Allen pass which got overturned.

And those were both in key moments. With the 1st one, which could've given the Dolphins the lead with around 2 minutes to go. Just saying

[Larz]

First, you didn't read my post. That might either be a positive or a negative. Having fewer college starts is a negative to me that will have a negative effect on him, not a positive one like you guys make it seem. But that's my humble opinion. There's a good chance that you guys are the ones that are right. In NFL experience, Sanchez has more games under his belt, but Henne has more practice time.

With the game on the line, Henne has been pretty damn good as well. You guys are just looking at one game, which was the recent one. And he still did well then in my opinion. He drove the team down the field around 80 yards, in a matter of seconds, and made a pretty good throw on 4th down, but the wrong guy caught it. Can't fault him for that.

Using the logic you guys are using, with the game on the line(almost), Sanchez threw a pass to Langford that is an INT most of the time. A horrible throw right to him inches away. That was a worse pass than Henne's to Fasano, as well as the Jason Allen pass which got overturned.

And those were both in key moments. With the 1st one, which could've given the Dolphins the lead with around 2 minutes to go. Just saying

oy, please spare me the shoulda coulda woulda stuff. this is a results oriented business, and the QB's job is the get the team in the endzone

actually, me recollection of henne down the stretch last year was he played pretty small, and if he doesn't pick it up pretty soon, don't be suprised if he gets that label

I think henne is a good young QB, loads of talent, but some guys not only want the spot light, they thrive in it, and I think that is sanchez' best quality, and something henne seems to be lacking to this point

sanchez is still only 23, he still makes throws that make you ask, wtf ? but one way to look at it is this is his rookie year if he comes out as a senior, so as a jets fan I see him as a puppy who is playing like a pro, whereas henne should be playing like a pro already so that's nothing to really get too gushy about

[Sharrow]

Key plays? How about Miami's last 4 plays? Henne made a poor pass on the fade to Marshall on the first play, didn't even give him a chance, where a good pass might have been a TD. He panicked and ran into the pile on 2nd down, missing a huge hole on the right half of the field where he probably could have walked in since there was no one there. On third down he checked it down for 5 yards instead of taking a shot at the end zone. Then he threw the interception. Yeah, he was clutch.

[rillo]

Sanchez.

[Klecko73isGod]

So because I picked Henne Im a homer? Im not calling you guys homers because you guys most likely picked Sanchez. Its your opinion. The poll is pretty useless if you think about it.

But if you want to think that way, sure.

I acutally praised Sanchez for the most part. I didn't criticize Sanchez heavily because of his picks, since I said that he had improved that,and I criticized Chad where I thought he needed the criticism.

Enlighten me with your thoughts please instead of criticizing the others

That was a smart move considering he hasn't thrown one yet this season. As a matter of fact, he has thrown one in the last five regular season games he's played. Compare that to Henne, who has thrown six in his last five games.

[Larz]

That was a smart move considering he hasn't thrown one yet this season. As a matter of fact, he has thrown one in the last five regular season games he's played. Compare that to Henne, who has thrown six in his last five games.

he was taling about the "almost" picks

[slats]

Having fewer college starts is a negative to me that will have a negative effect on him, not a positive one like you guys make it seem. But that's my humble opinion. There's a good chance that you guys are the ones that are right. In NFL experience, Sanchez has more games under his belt, but Henne has more practice time.

I think the lack of college starts combined with the fact that he didn't sit for a year in the NFL hurt him last year when comparing the two QB's, but I don't see how that would translate into a problem in the future. Some QB's get swallowed up when they're thrown right into the fire, but Sanchez seems to have gone thru some tough times last year better for it. This year, maybe you can say that he's still overall less experienced than Henne, but as time goes on, that gap will disappear. I doubt Henne is leaning on much of what he learned from his senior year of college, or sitting behind Pennington, right now. Next year it will be even less, and so on. Sanchez has three road playoff games under his belt already, and that's definitely huge for him.

At this point in Sanchez career, you can see where he grew from that deer in the headlights that he was for much of last year, gaining some focus down the stretch, and then performing well in the playoffs - to this year where he has yet to throw a pick. He appears to be on a very rapid incline. He had a passer rating of 63 in last year's regular season, 92.7 in the playoffs, and 105 so far this season.

Henne's gone from a rating of 75 last year to 88 this year. It's a nice uptick that probably has a lot to do with Brandon Marshall's arrival, but it's not the fast track that Sanchez appears to be on without a new, highly rated WR to play with (yet!).

As well as Mark's doing, I can see him doing better. He can improve his completion percentage. He'll get Holmes soon. I just see much more upside with our guy, and he's already playing really well.

[JetsFanInDenver]

All this poll tells me is there were 3 trolls on this board since this poll started!

[RutgersJetFan]

...and made a pretty good throw on 4th down, but the wrong guy caught it. Can't fault him for that.

You gotta be kiddin' me.

[NjJets4027]

If we did this poll on the Dolphags page, it would be a landslide to Henne's favor. this thread is pointless

[Klecko73isGod]

If we did this poll on the Dolphags page, it would be a landslide to Henne's favor. this thread is pointless

Only if they were delusional.

[PatsFanTX]

Only if they were delusional.

No, Jet fans such as yourself have a patent on that word.

[Klecko73isGod]

No, Jet fans such as yourself have a patent on that word.

So says the guy who can't bring himself to accept what the Pats lost a first-round draft pick for.