flgreen Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Football Scientist: Coleman is a huge coverage risk October, 1, 2010 Oct 110:27AM ETEmail Print Comments By KC JoynerIt is entirely understandable why the Jets would want to consider moving Kyle Wilson out of the lineup. It's not just that that his metrics are subpar -- he simply doesn't seem to have a feel for how to locate the ball when it is thrown to the receiver he is covering. This will take some practice to correct and OJT isn't the place to get that practice. Having said that, moving Drew Coleman into the lineup could be a situation where the solution ends up being worse than the problem. I say this because Coleman's historical metrics are simply abysmal. Let's use the 2009 campaign as the evidence. In that season, the Jets had four cornerbacks who ended up being listed as qualifiers in the season-ending cornerback metrics (25 attempts being the benchmark for qualification). Three of these corners (Darrelle Revis, Dwight Lowery and Lito Sheppard) all posted yards per attempt (YPA) totals of six yards or less. That put each of them in the top 20 in the league in that category (and the Jets were the only team with three CBs in the top 20). Coleman was the only Jet cornerback who didn't make it over that coverage bar. He ended up with an 8.0 YPA, a total that ranked tied for 66th. He was also the worst NY cornerback on vertical routes (defined as aerials thrown 11 or more yards downfield). His 9.7 vertical YPA was easily the worst on the team and ranked tied for 55th in the league. Coleman was also the only Jets cornerback who allowed either a completion or a defensive penalty on a play more than 50% of the time. The numbers are more than a bit of a concern but there is also the idea of what would happen if Buffalo were to get Lee Evans matched up on Coleman. Evans has been hamstrung by this offense but he is now paired back up with Ryan Fitzpatrick, a quarterback who won't hold back from throwing the deep pass the way Trent Edwards did. If the Jets give the Bills the Evans/Coleman matchup even just one time, Buffalo will go after it as quickly as they can. Put it all together and this game could be a bigger coverage test than is generally thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Coleman did fine in Miami, but lets just rely on 2009 stats.... lol Cro/Wilson/Coleman/Lowery will all see time on the outside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Reminder the NYJETS are playing the Buffalo Bills. Kyle Wilson has looked bad. I welcome Drew Coleman to the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 yeah it isn't like an adjustment can't be made during the game if he struggles. Or it could be that he may never get better. You know because life never changes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Rex Ryan is crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 yeah it isn't like an adjustment can't be made during the game if he struggles. Or it could be that he may never get better. You know because life never changes... Really though... Jets like the Coleman/Parrish matchup, and I'm sure he'll get safety help. Bills have three WR's very involved in the offense, so I'm sure Wilson and Lowery will also see a lot of playing time. Shaking things up a little bit is a smart thing this week. Keep everyone focused in a week where they could easily fall asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Individual Defensive Stats are COMPLETELY retarded...imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s dubb Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Coleman has earned the right to play, bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Coleman has earned the right to play, bottom line. Seriously?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 FYI the same "Scientist" JC Joyner claimed Randall Gay to be the better CB than Asante Samuel during FA using the same bogus formulas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 He was doing well when they put him in against Welker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Coleman did fine in Miami, but lets just rely on 2009 stats.... lol Cro/Wilson/Coleman/Lowery will all see time on the outside... NOONE in the secondary did "just fine" in Miami. He got an interception on a deflection to end the game. That was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 Really though... Jets like the Coleman/Parrish matchup, and I'm sure he'll get safety help. Bills have three WR's very involved in the offense, so I'm sure Wilson and Lowery will also see a lot of playing time. Shaking things up a little bit is a smart thing this week. Keep everyone focused in a week where they could easily fall asleep. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me. It is a specific match up start. Wilson has struggled, but did better in the slot. I like Lowery over Coleman, but I think the CS thinks that Coleman is a better match up with Parrish. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 yeah, most teams 4th corner is a ******* star and don't last years numbers have the jets as a dominant pass defense ? wait, what ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s dubb Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Seriously?? Game ending pick in Panther game in preseason, played well against the Patriots. Game ending INT vs the squid. He's earned the right to lobby for more time. When you show and prove Rex rewards you. He'll have a chance to prove his worth against live bullets this week. I'm as serious as a heart attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 He's faster than Lowery, I'd rather give his the first shot Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 I'd bet Coleman's 2009 stats are skewed because he only played against teams that were killing us with the pass. Like the Colts in the title game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Game ending pick in Panther game in preseason, played well against the Patriots. Game ending INT vs the squid. He's earned the right to lobby for more time. When you show and prove Rex rewards you. He'll have a chance to prove his worth against live bullets this week. I'm as serious as a heart attack. Coleman can only play well when hes on the fringe, and that is in garbage time. The guy is total filth, and has proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again that he cannot cover Abe Vigoda in a phonebooth. Why is he given jack over Cole??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 AHHHHHHHHHGHHHHHHHHHHHGHHHHHHH!@ I so effing hate these retarded statmeisters. They are less than useless. They are hugely misleading. Any J.O. with enough time to crunch numbers that are essentially useless should be forced to work for a living. This is pure crap. Like when they said Bart Scott was better than D. Harris--even though every effing stat (and they are in the stat business) said otherwise. they came up with "Harris succeeds only because Scott "crashes" the line and frees him up to make plays." Really? then why did we keep Harris over Vilma? because he's a JAG? Die already and watch a goddam football game. Pukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Football Scientist: Coleman is a huge coverage risk October, 1, 2010 Oct 110:27AM ETEmail Print Comments By KC JoynerIt is entirely understandable why the Jets would want to consider moving Kyle Wilson out of the lineup. It's not just that that his metrics are subpar -- he simply doesn't seem to have a feel for how to locate the ball when it is thrown to the receiver he is covering. This will take some practice to correct and OJT isn't the place to get that practice. Having said that, moving Drew Coleman into the lineup could be a situation where the solution ends up being worse than the problem. I say this because Coleman's historical metrics are simply abysmal. Let's use the 2009 campaign as the evidence. In that season, the Jets had four cornerbacks who ended up being listed as qualifiers in the season-ending cornerback metrics (25 attempts being the benchmark for qualification). Three of these corners (Darrelle Revis, Dwight Lowery and Lito Sheppard) all posted yards per attempt (YPA) totals of six yards or less. That put each of them in the top 20 in the league in that category (and the Jets were the only team with three CBs in the top 20). Glad I only had to read 4 paragraphs to learn this is bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Really though... Jets like the Coleman/Parrish matchup, and I'm sure he'll get safety help. Bills have three WR's very involved in the offense, so I'm sure Wilson and Lowery will also see a lot of playing time. Shaking things up a little bit is a smart thing this week. Keep everyone focused in a week where they could easily fall asleep. I agree with you 100 %. The FOOTBALL SCIENTIST is NOT taking into consideration that with PRYCE we will have a much better inside passrush. That will help free up Taylor on the outside. Ellis will have something to say too. NOTHING helps a secondary like a PASSRUSH. Also Coleman now has experience and has the REX defensive schemes down pat. He will react; and not have to tink on his feet. He is very fast and tenacious. he has learned a lot and REX has a way of making guys believe in themselves. I hope the scientist and others keep saying these things about the Jets. We do so well when they say negative things about us. Next week we get back, SANTONIO, REVIS, PACE. How many teams can say that they will get back three players of that caliber? This team will probably be very dominating in the second half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 COLEMAN and LOWERY both suck............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 i'd rather see Ihedigbo in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 i'd rather see Ihedigbo in there... At corner? Might as well let me play corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Really though... Jets like the Coleman/Parrish matchup, and I'm sure he'll get safety help. Bills have three WR's very involved in the offense, so I'm sure Wilson and Lowery will also see a lot of playing time. Shaking things up a little bit is a smart thing this week. Keep everyone focused in a week where they could easily fall asleep. Agreed. Everybody is jumping on this as if it is a benching of Wilson. What it actually amounts to is Wilson being moved back to the position he's been practicing and the one he was always expected to fill - slot CB. Ray Mickens style. He's got enough on his plate without forcing him to move outside. Oh, and KC Joyner, not to worry. If Coleman falters we still have a top 20 CB to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Their WR corps matches up well against our Revis-less secondary. I expect they'll do some damage, but none to the point they actually win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Football Scientist: Coleman is a huge coverage risk October, 1, 2010 Oct 110:27AM ETEmail Print Comments By KC JoynerIt is entirely understandable why the Jets would want to consider moving Kyle Wilson out of the lineup. It's not just that that his metrics are subpar -- he simply doesn't seem to have a feel for how to locate the ball when it is thrown to the receiver he is covering. This will take some practice to correct and OJT isn't the place to get that practice. Having said that, moving Drew Coleman into the lineup could be a situation where the solution ends up being worse than the problem. I say this because Coleman's historical metrics are simply abysmal. Let's use the 2009 campaign as the evidence. In that season, the Jets had four cornerbacks who ended up being listed as qualifiers in the season-ending cornerback metrics (25 attempts being the benchmark for qualification). Three of these corners (Darrelle Revis, Dwight Lowery and Lito Sheppard) all posted yards per attempt (YPA) totals of six yards or less. That put each of them in the top 20 in the league in that category (and the Jets were the only team with three CBs in the top 20). Coleman was the only Jet cornerback who didn't make it over that coverage bar. He ended up with an 8.0 YPA, a total that ranked tied for 66th. He was also the worst NY cornerback on vertical routes (defined as aerials thrown 11 or more yards downfield). His 9.7 vertical YPA was easily the worst on the team and ranked tied for 55th in the league. Coleman was also the only Jets cornerback who allowed either a completion or a defensive penalty on a play more than 50% of the time. The numbers are more than a bit of a concern but there is also the idea of what would happen if Buffalo were to get Lee Evans matched up on Coleman. Evans has been hamstrung by this offense but he is now paired back up with Ryan Fitzpatrick, a quarterback who won't hold back from throwing the deep pass the way Trent Edwards did. If the Jets give the Bills the Evans/Coleman matchup even just one time, Buffalo will go after it as quickly as they can. Put it all together and this game could be a bigger coverage test than is generally thought. Put Dwight Lowery in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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