Blackout Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 after a blowout win over Miami (which helps the Jets) they go and trade Moss to the NFC (which hurts the Pats unless they trade for Vincent Jackson) thank you Patriots....although **** you for sending him to Minny who we play this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 This gives New England a 1st-2nd-3rd in the 2011 draft. Maybe they realize the NYJETS have them beat this year might as well plan for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I completely disagree that they're "throwing up the white flag". I fully expect the Patriots with BB and Brady to get this young group of players into the play-offs. I think they simply see they are not a Championship caliber team this year and are making a move now and getting something for Randy rather then letting him walk. I still think they try to make a move for V-Jax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Patriots host the Vikings on Halloween. If nothing else, that one game just got a lot tougher for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 anybody who thinks that San Diego will deal with Belichick don't remember how they disrespected the Chargers on their way to 18-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Patriots host the Vikings on Halloween. If nothing else, that one game just got a lot tougher for them. Imagine if they narrowly lose that game, with Rice still out, and Moss torching them for 2-3 TD's...and then they miss the playoffs by a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Imagine if they narrowly lose that game, with Rice still out, and Moss torching them for 2-3 TD's...and then they miss the playoffs by a game? Good Times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Imagine if they narrowly lose that game, with Rice still out, and Moss torching them for 2-3 TD's...and then they miss the playoffs by a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 after a blowout win over Miami (which helps the Jets) they go and trade Moss to the NFC (which hurts the Pats unless they trade for Vincent Jackson) thank you Patriots....although **** you for sending him to Minny who we play this week Revis shutting down Moss while we get our retribution against Lord Favre... will be almost as nice as it happening when we play the Pats. The good thing is it ensures that Randy still has to fave Revis a 2nd time this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Patriots host the Vikings on Halloween. If nothing else, that one game just got a lot tougher for them. I already got that game circled on my schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I think its worth noting that next year's draft is predicted to be one of the all time WR drafts in NFL history. Anyway, if a rookie salary cap gets put into place an early draft pick in next year's draft will be more valuable than the super expensive picks in current drafts. I have a suspicion that the Pats are trying to load up on early picks in next year's draft in the belief that a rookie cap will be in place then. I think they already have 2 first rounders next year, if they get more and a rookie cap gets agreed to the Pats could really set themselves up for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I think they simply see they are not a Championship caliber team this year and are making a move now and getting something for Randy rather then letting him walk. I still think they try to make a move for V-Jax. I don't think this accurate. For the Pats + BB this is clearly a case of addition by subtraction. Think about this - the Pats gave Moss away for basically a bag of balls. If they simply let him walk they probably would have gotten a 3rd or 4th rd compensatory pick in 2012. So basically the move to unload Moss was just to get him off the team and out of the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I don't think this accurate. For the Pats + BB this is clearly a case of addition by subtraction. Think about this - the Pats gave Moss away for basically a bag of balls. If they simply let him walk they probably would have gotten a 3rd or 4th rd compensatory pick in 2012. So basically the move to unload Moss was just to get him off the team and out of the locker room. No way trading Randy Moss is addition by subtraction on the field anyway. They really need to get someone to "replace" him for this to make sense. If they traded him away for a bag of balls, they got him for a plain old bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I completely disagree that they're "throwing up the white flag". I fully expect the Patriots with BB and Brady to get this young group of players into the play-offs. I think they simply see they are not a Championship caliber team this year and are making a move now and getting something for Randy rather then letting him walk. I still think they try to make a move for V-Jax. I disagree. I think Moss' blowup a month ago is the driving force behind this. BB didn't want Moss to become a disruption and wasn't willing to pay him because that would be giving in. I really don't think there is any grand plan at work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 No way trading Randy Moss is addition by subtraction on the field anyway. They really need to get someone to "replace" him for this to make sense. If they traded him away for a bag of balls, they got him for a plain old bag. maybe you missed Monday's game vs. Miami but Moss had 0 catches and his replacement brought back a kickoff for a TD. Remember when they flatout released Lawyer Malloy? BB is a crafty bastard and he wouldn't have released Moss unless he thought they could win without him. There is no guarantee there will even be football next year and BB knows this. He also knows that with Sanchez + Rex in the division the days of Pats steamrolling the division are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 maybe you missed Monday's game vs. Miami but Moss had 0 catches and his replacement brought back a kickoff for a TD. Remember when they flatout released Lawyer Malloy? BB is a crafty bastard and he wouldn't have released Moss unless he thought they could win without him. There is no guarantee there will even be football next year and BB knows this. He also knows that with Sanchez + Rex in the division the days of Pats steamrolling the division are over. Dude, it's not like they had some big offensive explosion. They only gained 265 total yards and less than 160 through the air. Big special teams plays were the reason they won. There is no way losing Moss helps the Pats on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 maybe you missed Monday's game vs. Miami but Moss had 0 catches and his replacement brought back a kickoff for a TD. Remember when they flatout released Lawyer Malloy? BB is a crafty bastard and he wouldn't have released Moss unless he thought they could win without him. There is no guarantee there will even be football next year and BB knows this. He also knows that with Sanchez + Rex in the division the days of Pats steamrolling the division are over. I saw Monday's game their offense scored 13 points, and it was not what won them that game. I don't see how not having Randy makes them better even with him getting 0 catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I saw Monday's game their offense scored 14 points, and it was not what won them that game. I don't see how not having Randy makes them better even with him getting 0 catches. You are missing my point completely. Here is my point: 1. They won a division game on the road against a good (not great) Miami team without Moss contributing anything. 2. Moss's replacement has 2 KO returns for TD's - maybe they see him as the future and just needs a chance at wr? 3. They won the Super Bowl when they released Lawyer Malloy. I am sure everyone said the same thing then - "the Pats are a better team with him than without him" - yet they lost vs. Buffalo and then went 17-1 to win the Super Bowl. Don't underestimate what a malcontent means to a team and locker room. The Broncos suspended Marshall last year and the Eagles shut down TO for the year. Sometimes there really is addition by subtraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Its not like they purposely froze him out against Mia. He had his chances. Did you forget the fake spike pass that he should have had for a TD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You are missing my point completely. Here is my point: 1. They won a division game on the road against a good (not great) Miami team without Moss contributing anything. 2. Moss's replacement has 2 KO returns for TD's - maybe they see him as the future and just needs a chance at wr? 3. They won the Super Bowl when they released Lawyer Malloy. I am sure everyone said the same thing then - "the Pats are a better team with him than without him" - yet they lost vs. Buffalo and then went 17-1 to win the Super Bowl. Don't underestimate what a malcontent means to a team and locker room. The Broncos suspended Marshall last year and the Eagles shut down TO for the year. Sometimes there really is addition by subtraction. You must have missed me saying on the field, and "replace" him. Just because Moss had 0 catches does not mean he did not contribute, he is double teamed on every play in every game. I doubt this kick returner garners the same kind of attention as a 7 time pro-bowler, and future hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Its not like they purposely froze him out against Mia. He had his chances. Did you forget the fake spike pass that he should have had for a TD? That was the only time they threw to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You are missing my point completely. Here is my point: 1. They won a division game on the road against a good (not great) Miami team without Moss contributing anything. 2. Moss's replacement has 2 KO returns for TD's - maybe they see him as the future and just needs a chance at wr? 3. They won the Super Bowl when they released Lawyer Malloy. I am sure everyone said the same thing then - "the Pats are a better team with him than without him" - yet they lost vs. Buffalo and then went 17-1 to win the Super Bowl. Don't underestimate what a malcontent means to a team and locker room. The Broncos suspended Marshall last year and the Eagles shut down TO for the year. Sometimes there really is addition by subtraction. But not by design. That was as fluky as a win can be. You can't rely on getting a kickoff return for a TD, a blocked FG return for a TD, an INT return for TD and a punt block which sets up your offense in the red zone all in the same game. There's 28 of their 41 points. Without those points... they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 But not by design. That was as fluky as a win can be. You can't rely on getting a kickoff return for a TD, a blocked FG return for a TD, an INT return for TD and a punt block which sets up your offense in the red zone all in the same game. There's 28 of their 41 points. Without those points... they lose. Again...that just proves the point that football is a team game and BB has no tolerance for "me" guys. Ask Lawyer Malloy, Deion Branch, or Richard Seymour if complaining about their contract was a good move for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You can't rely on getting a kickoff return for a TD, a blocked FG return for a TD, an INT return for TD and a punt block which sets up your offense in the red zone all in the same game. Not even against the phags, err... OK maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Again...that just proves the point that football is a team game and BB has no tolerance for "me" guys. Ask Lawyer Malloy, Deion Branch, or Richard Seymour if complaining about their contract was a good move for them. Nobody is arguing that, but it still does not make them better "on the field." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Moss was the ultimate decoy the first 4 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I think its worth noting that next year's draft is predicted to be one of the all time WR drafts in NFL history. Anyway, if a rookie salary cap gets put into place an early draft pick in next year's draft will be more valuable than the super expensive picks in current drafts. I have a suspicion that the Pats are trying to load up on early picks in next year's draft in the belief that a rookie cap will be in place then. I think they already have 2 first rounders next year, if they get more and a rookie cap gets agreed to the Pats could really set themselves up for the future. Good point, at least as it affects their Raiders pick. The rookie salaries don't seem to be a big problem other than the top of the draft. Bottom half of round 1 isn't an issue to most teams. It's just those top 5 or so picks that get $10-12M per year with $20-40M guaranteed, and the ones even as low as top 12-15 that still get $10-15M guaranteed. After that the picks don't cost that much (relatively speaking) for good talent players, which is probably where NE's original pick will end up being even without Moss. But with a rookie cap their Raiders pick could be worth quite a bit by trading down, which BB likes to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Isn't Vincent Jackson suspended for six weeks when he comes back anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Isn't Vincent Jackson suspended for six weeks when he comes back anyway. yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I completely disagree that they're "throwing up the white flag". I fully expect the Patriots with BB and Brady to get this young group of players into the play-offs. I think they simply see they are not a Championship caliber team this year and are making a move now and getting something for Randy rather then letting him walk. I still think they try to make a move for V-Jax. +1 If not Jackson, then it's probably going to be this guy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 +1 If not Jackson, then it's probably going to be this guy: I'd like to see the Pats go after Steve Smith. He'd be a great fit with Brady and the Panthers could use the draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I'd like to see the Pats go after Steve Smith. He'd be a great fit with Brady and the Panthers could use the draft picks. Now would be the time...Smith would be a smart pickup just because he's really good, he's really tough, and he never lets his talking do his talking for him. Just give the Panthers their 2nd back...actually it probably won't even cost that much...throw the Vikings 3rd at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Now would be the time...Smith would be a smart pickup just because he's really good, he's really tough, and he never lets his talking do his talking for him. Just give the Panthers their 2nd back...actually it probably won't even cost that much...throw the Vikings 3rd at them. Pats can send Mankins and a 3rd or 4th rounder to the Panthers for Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Pats can send Mankins and a 3rd or 4th rounder to the Panthers for Smith. Pats can't send Mankins anywhere. He's not under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Pats can't send Mankins anywhere. He's not under contract. If he doesn't have a contract wouldn't he be a FA? Why have we not yet signed this beast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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