One thing that bugs me about how this team is discussed....

[rollingrock49]

is how people say oh they are a win now team. all or nothing team. that just annoys me. Break down the roster and you can see that yes some older talent was imported but not at the expense of the future. We have have a :

1) young franchise QB

2)2 young Rbs (as long as mcknight amounts to something) and our FB of the future was just drafted.

3) 4 out of 5 spots on the OL are young and locked up (Moore may be a bit older actually but still) plus Vlad will probably become the RT sooner or later

4) we will keep at least one of the 2 "young" and very talented WRs based on demands. Most likely Holmes gets the big deal and Braylon walks. cotchery is still under 30 as well.

5) brodney poole and jim leonard are still young as well as eric smith and ihedigbo

6) out of the starting linebackers are any of them old and in the twilight of their careers? taylor is not really a starter.

7) and we are young at CB with revis (signed for a few more years and most likely will stay for his career), cromartie (probably walking at the end of the year based on demands), wilson (just drafted him), lowery and coleman.

8) Stud TE is also very young.

Yes we have traded picks but it brought in young talent which we will try to keep if possible based on demands. Depth and age along the dline is one issue but they love guys like devito and even gholston is at least being productive. so far that has not been a problem and jenkins was lost once again for the year and we are still fine. Personally I love the way tannenbaum has hugged the line between winning now and preparing for the future. I think its a perfect balance and have no issues with the moves made. adding vets like jason taylor and LT only cost small portions of a non existant cap (for now). That being said I would like them to stop trading up in the draft and trading picks away and actually use what we have or trade back to build depth in certain areas but you really cannot argue with how theyve drafted the last few years. Sorry for the long rant but I had to get that out.

[Jetsfan80]

Thanks Tom.

That 98 reference is a good one. I think that team overachieved big time.

[ECURB]

I don't think people are claiming if the JETS don't win now it is over.... I think people are saying that the JETS are going all in to "win now". That does not automatically exclude them from winning later as well.

[JiF]

is how people say oh they are a win now team. all or nothing team. that just annoys me. Break down the roster and you can see that yes some older talent was imported but not at the expense of the future. We have have a :

1) young franchise QB

2)2 young Rbs (as long as mcknight amounts to something) and our FB of the future was just drafted.

3) 4 out of 5 spots on the OL are young and locked up (Moore may be a bit older actually but still) plus Vlad will probably become the RT sooner or later

4) we will keep at least one of the 2 "young" and very talented WRs based on demands. Most likely Holmes gets the big deal and Braylon walks. cotchery is still under 30 as well.

5) brodney poole and jim leonard are still young as well as eric smith and ihedigbo

6) out of the starting linebackers are any of them old and in the twilight of their careers? taylor is not really a starter.

7) and we are young at CB with revis (signed for a few more years and most likely will stay for his career), cromartie (probably walking at the end of the year based on demands), wilson (just drafted him), lowery and coleman.

8) Stud TE is also very young.

Yes we have traded picks but it brought in young talent which we will try to keep if possible based on demands. Depth and age along the dline is one issue but they love guys like devito and even gholston is at least being productive. so far that has not been a problem and jenkins was lost once again for the year and we are still fine. Personally I love the way tannenbaum has hugged the line between winning now and preparing for the future. I think its a perfect balance and have no issues with the moves made. adding vets like jason taylor and LT only cost small portions of a non existant cap (for now). That being said I would like them to stop trading up in the draft and trading picks away and actually use what we have or trade back to build depth in certain areas but you really cannot argue with how theyve drafted the last few years. Sorry for the long rant but I had to get that out.

I agree. Our cornerstones are young and we are set up for the future. We just need to shore up David Harris and we are set, as long as we can keep finding talent in the draft.

[THE ILK]

I don't think people are claiming if the JETS don't win now it is over.... I think people are saying that the JETS are going all in to "win now". That does not automatically exclude them from winning later as well.

This!

Get your PSL's baby!

[Jetsfan80]

I don't think people are claiming if the JETS don't win now it is over.... I think people are saying that the JETS are going all in to "win now". That does not automatically exclude them from winning later as well.

[THE ILK]

I don't think people are claiming if the JETS don't win now it is over.... I think people are saying that the JETS are going all in to "win now". That does not automatically exclude them from winning later as well.

Thanks Tom.

That 98 reference is a good one. I think that team overachieved big time.

[Bruce Banner]

I agree with most of what the OP said but I'm starting to change my mind on this depth thing and don't care if they keep trading for stars. Aside from the fact that there are some really good UDFAs out there I realized that if you bring in a superstar player who starts right away it forces down the previous starter to second string. So bringing in star players helps depth by pushing old starters into backup roles. I know its more complicated than that but the big picture is getting stars doesn't hurt depth the way some people fear. You get Cromartie and suddenly Lowery goes from scary starter to gutsy backup. You trade for Holmes and Cotchery becomes a reliable backup and slot receiver instead of a short and slow starter.

[Jetsfan80]

I agree with most of what the OP said but I'm starting to change my mind on this depth thing and don't care if they keep trading for stars. Aside from the fact that there are some really good UDFAs out there I realized that if you bring in a superstar player who starts right away it forces down the previous starter to second string. So bringing in star players helps depth by pushing old starters into backup roles. I know its more complicated than that but the big picture is getting stars doesn't hurt depth the way some people fear. You get Cromartie and suddenly Lowery goes from scary starter to gutsy backup. You trade for Holmes and Cotchery becomes a reliable backup and slot receiver instead of a short and slow starter.

Its Tanny's job to bring in and retain starter-quality players. Its Rex's job to wade through everybody else, find players worth keeping, and coach them up.

Both do an excellent job.

[THE ILK]

I agree with most of what the OP said but I'm starting to change my mind on this depth thing and don't care if they keep trading for stars. Aside from the fact that there are some really good UDFAs out there I realized that if you bring in a superstar player who starts right away it forces down the previous starter to second string. So bringing in star players helps depth by pushing old starters into backup roles. I know its more complicated than that but the big picture is getting stars doesn't hurt depth the way some people fear. You get Cromartie and suddenly Lowery goes from scary starter to gutsy backup. You trade for Holmes and Cotchery becomes a reliable backup and slot receiver instead of a short and slow starter.

Its Tanny's job to bring in and retain starter-quality players. Its Rex's job to wade through everybody else, find players worth keeping, and coach them up.

Both do an excellent job.

This is good, but you still have to hold on to some draft picks and bring in fresh blood IMO. (even if only for cap reasons)

I definitely agree, they are both doing a fine job.

[ECURB]

I don't think people are claiming if the JETS don't win now it is over.... I think people are saying that the JETS are going all in to "win now". That does not automatically exclude them from winning later as well.

I don't think people are claiming if the JETS don't win now it is over.... I think people are saying that the JETS are going all in to "win now". That does not automatically exclude them from winning later as well.

echo....echo....echo.....

[serphnx]

Just give it a few years, the Jets haven't been a good team for a long time so the media is still on the Colts and Pats nuts. They actually jumped off the Saints bandwagon already (already, a mere 4 weeks into their defending SB season). The media are front running bandwagon schmucks, so if the Jets win an SB and threaten for another 1 or 2 over the next 5 years or so, the media will switch over and all you'll see are articles about the greatness of the Jets, Rex, Sanchez, Tannenbaum etc., and all the negatives will be brushed under the rug.

Actually even without winning, Hermy generally had positive reviews of himself and the team those years because he was always a media slime.

[SenorGato]

I haven't heard one person say this about the Jets.

One thing I hate about discussing the Jets is this idea that we're some elite team now. That we're the "cream of the crop" in the NFL. It'd be alot nicer to hear if it was true, but that it is not...I'll throw in "yet" for those who will use this opportunity to tell me that I'm faking my Jet fanhood.

[CTM]

Plus our OC's still young

fixed

[SenorGato]

fixed

Young *and* so hot right now. Hansel.

[CTM]

Young *and* so hot right now. Hansel.

you missed a perfect opportunity to push buttons. Tx is sad

[SenorGato]

you missed a perfect opportunity to push buttons. Tx is sad

Fine here...

Most likely Holmes gets the big deal and Braylon walks. cotchery is still under 30 as well.

Here's another thing I hate about Jets talk this season...90% of this fanbase has already given Holmes a blank check while they push Edwards to the side. Holmes hasn't even done anything...it's Nick Cannon-level hilarious...it doesn't even make sense. The Super Bowl MVP 2-3 years ago is "cool story" status...not "zomg all the moneyz they goes to you" status.

Personally, I see Holmes as Donte Stallworth 2.0. He doesn't strike me as a true #1...Edwards has worked with our QB longer...Edwards is bigger and faster...Edwards is more mature...I haven't seen Edwards' dick...Perhaps I underrate, but I'd rather see him do something before he wins my heart.

[Jetsfan80]

Personally, I see Holmes as Donte Stallworth 2.0. He doesn't strike me as a true #1...Edwards has worked with our QB longer...Edwards is bigger and faster...Edwards is more mature...I haven't seen Edwards' dick...Perhaps I underrate, but I'd rather see him do something before he wins my heart.

You keep trumpeting this argument but its just not true. People keep talking about Holmes getting the contract because of what he is; a true # 1 receiver. It'll be nice to be able to bump this a few weeks from now.

Braylon's a good receiver but he's never been as good as Holmes. Its just the facts. The DWI did little to help his cause. I'd prefer to keep both, but if we have to give up 1, Braylon is simply the more likely candidate.

[SenorGato]

You keep trumpeting this argument but its just not true. People keep talking about Holmes getting the contract because of what he is; a true # 1 receiver. It'll be nice to be able to bump this a few weeks from now.

Braylon's a good receiver but he's never been as good as Holmes. Its just the facts. The DWI did little to help his cause. I'd prefer to keep both, but if we have to give up 1, Braylon is simply the more likely candidate.

Except that he isn't. True #1s have more than 1 1,000 yard season.

The only reason he receives so much hype here is because 2-3 years ago he had a big game in the big game and won the MVP. Like I've said, it's already filed under "cool story"...That's something he can tell his grand kids...that's not something that should get him paid by a completely different team with a fairly different style of QB and offense.

[Larz]

so what does the 49 mean nyway ?

[Jetsfan80]

Except that he isn't. True #1s have more than 1 1,000 yard season.

The only reason he receives so much hype here is because 2-3 years ago he had a big game in the big game and won the MVP. Like I've said, it's already filed under "cool story"...That's something he can tell his grand kids...that's not something that should get him paid by a completely different team with a fairly different style of QB and offense.

The 1,000+ yard season he had was just last year, his 4th year in the league. He shared # 1 duties with Hines Ward, but that doesn't make him any less of a # 1. This is Braylon's 7th year in the league and he's only had one 1,000 yard season as well so that doesn't help your point anyways.

You keep saying that people are unfairly giving the nod to Holmes over Edwards before they play. Well you're doing the same thing by saying we should give it to Braylon without giving Holmes a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[SenorGato]

The 1,000+ yard season he had was just last year, his 4th year in the league. He shared # 1 duties with Hines Ward, but that doesn't make him any less of a # 1. This is Braylon's 7th year in the league and he's only had one 1,000 yard season as well so that doesn't help your point anyways.

You keep saying that people are unfairly giving the nod to Holmes over Edwards before they play. Well you're doing the same thing by saying we should give it to Braylon without giving Holmes a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

...Really? Pretty sure sharing a role would kinda...reduce it...even if only in the slightest way.

These guys are both upside guys for this team...I feel Edwards is more mature, knows the offense better, knows the team better, knows the QB better, knows the coaches better, and has more upside just based on size...I'll enjoy watching them duke it out for the contract and just on a personal hunch I'm pulling for Edwards.

[Jetsfan80]

...Really? Pretty sure sharing a role would kinda...reduce it...even if only in the slightest way.

These guys are both upside guys for this team...I feel Edwards is more mature, knows the offense better, knows the team better, knows the QB better, knows the coaches better, and has more upside just based on size...I'll enjoy watching them duke it out for the contract and just on a personal hunch I'm pulling for Edwards.

I'll root for both of them to do well, but when it comes to a longterm extension, Holmes, the younger, better player who did NOT just get a DWI in a contract year will prove to have the inside track.