DireJet38 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Here are the numbers during their tenure in NE: Moss 52 games 50 TD catches 259 catches 2,904 yards Branch 53 games 14 TD catches 213 catches 2,744 yards Like going from a Ferrari to a used 1995 Jetta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Branch's grit, intangibles and locker room presence > Moss' production. Deion Branch is the first guy in the weight room and the last one to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireJet38 Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 Branch was basically Welker before Welker, right? Do the Pats really think Branch is going to be a viable threat outside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 The thread title should be Moss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Branch. And that is being generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 For the needs of the Pats, David Clowney >>> Peon Deion. They need a guy to stretch the field - not an older, broken down, tiny possession receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 For the needs of the Pats, David Clowney >>> Peon Deion. They need a guy to stretch the field - not an older, broken down, tiny possession receiver. Hey man, you don't mess with plan 2030. Who's going to be laughing when they own every single draft pick that year. hmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 It's a good thing that fight in the locker room after the game never happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 it defines pats* land these days desperately trying to recapture the false glory of days gone by lo ******* l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Branch was basically Welker before Welker, right? Do the Pats really think Branch is going to be a viable threat outside? NE has changed it offense. Thats why Moss was griping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 it defines pats* land these days desperately trying to recapture the false glory of days gone by lo ******* l Keep dreaming. Brady and the Pats can and will play better, while the Sanchez and the Jets have peaked. What goes up must come down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 NE has changed it offense. Thats why Moss was griping. That might be a chicken & the egg argument. I think the Pats came into this season prepared to trade Moss, and had begun to adjust the offense accordingly. Moss was griping about the Pats not paying back -when? -in April? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 That might be a chicken & the egg argument. Why? They are using a different play book according to Brady. NE drafted 2 stud TEs and have Welker, Edelman and now Branch, who are more YAC guys. The long ball offense isnt the way to go. Short passes have a greater % of being completed and a better chance to beat the blitz. I think the Pats came into this season prepared to trade Moss, and had begun to adjust the offense accordingly. Moss was griping about the Pats not paying back -when? -in April? Seems like bad business trading this late in the season when potential buyers already have rosters in place. If Farve didnt really want Moss NE would have been stuck with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 what I like about all this is the pats are going to a dink and dunk offense with no running game and faulk out oh, did I mention their defense sucks ? lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Why? They are using a different play book according to Brady. NE drafted 2 stud TEs and have Welker, Edelman and now Branch, who are more YAC guys. The long ball offense isnt the way to go. Short passes have a greater % of being completed and a better chance to beat the blitz. Seems like bad business trading this late in the season when potential buyers already have rosters in place. If Farve didnt really want Moss NE would have been stuck with him. What I'm saying is that the Pats were getting away from what they were doing offensively largely because they knew they would be parting ways with Moss. Whether it was this season or next, they knew it was coming. While the team stopped winning championships, the offense has been much better with Moss than without him. Doesn't make a lot of sense to change the philosophy unless they knew they were going to be losing a key ingredient. The quick development of Hernandez coupled with the increased crankiness from Moss made the trade easier to make this year. That, and the Vikes' willingness to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantClassic Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Keep dreaming. Brady and the Pats can and will play better, while the Sanchez and the Jets have peaked. What goes up must come down. Is this the 2007 Pats rally cry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Brady and the Pats can and will play better, while the Sanchez and the Jets have peaked. Pretty silly statement right there. Jets offense, and particularly Sanchez, has a lot of room for improvement. Mark has shown that from last regular season, into the post-season, into this year. No real reason to suspect that improvement can't continue - especially as Santonio Holmes works his way into the mix. Brady and the Pats' offense has been tremendous so far, it's the defense that sucks. How much better can you expect them to play after they trade away an All Pro WR? Jets just added a star receiver, and have a young QB on the rise. Pats have an established QB who's best numbers have come with the WR the team just let go. I think you may have the team that can and will play better mixed up with the team that's peaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Anyone that actually thinks the Deon Branch is going to provide any value, is nuts. This is no different than Joey Galloway and Tory Holt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Why? They are using a different play book according to Brady. NE drafted 2 stud TEs and have Welker, Edelman and now Branch, who are more YAC guys. The long ball offense isnt the way to go. Short passes have a greater % of being completed and a better chance to beat the blitz. Sounds like they got Chad Pennington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 you know what I'd love to have branch on the team we could use a #4 WR to allow smith to focus on ST's and the seminole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 What I'm saying is that the Pats were getting away from what they were doing offensively largely because they knew they would be parting ways with Moss. Whether it was this season or next, they knew it was coming. Yes, but Moss had 9 mil left on his contract. He was likely gone after this season until he shot his way out of town. One does not have to suspend disbelief to think that the Vikings were in Moss's head about giving him the money he thinks he deserves. While the team stopped winning championships, the offense has been much better with Moss than without him. Doesn't make a lot of sense to change the philosophy unless they knew they were going to be losing a key ingredient. The quick development of Hernandez coupled with the increased crankiness from Moss made the trade easier to make this year. That, and the Vikes' willingness to spend. The offense was predictable. Stop Moss and Welker. Now, the WR with the best matchup will get the ball unless there is a breakdown in coverage. The Pats had to unload Moss at a discount since there was only 1 buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 The offense was predictable. Stop Moss and Welker. Now, the WR with the best matchup will get the ball unless there is a breakdown in coverage. The Pats had to unload Moss at a discount since there was only 1 buyer. While I understand the idea of spreading the ball around, I don't particularly get this sentiment. Why does the subtraction of moss now make the other receivers better?? With moss it was stop moss and welker, now without moss, it's stop everyone?? I think the offense will still be good, but I just don't think it will be as good. I also think they will struggle to come back from large deficits without that homerun threat. We shall see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 While I understand the idea of spreading the ball around, I don't particularly get this sentiment. Why does the subtraction of moss now make the other receivers better?? With moss it was stop moss and welker, now without moss, it's stop everyone?? I think the offense will still be good, but I just don't think it will be as good. I also think they will struggle to come back from large deficits without that homerun threat. We shall see though. the chowds are just spewing the least moronic spin they put together at patsie* planet the reality is the pats* think gonzalez will replace moss LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 the chowds are just spewing the least moronic spin they put together at patsie* planet the reality is the pats* think gonzalez will replace moss LOL I know it's just spin, but I find it hard to believe, no matter the offense you run, how losing a Randy Moss could ever be a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 I know it's just spin, but I find it hard to believe, no matter the offense you run, how losing a Randy Moss could ever be a positive. it's funny how the chowds whine about what the jets say, and call us arrogant, and then belicheat DOES this and he's "planning for the future" BS he thinks he can replace moss with gonzalez LOL the worst type of arrogance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 the chowds are just spewing the least moronic spin they put together at patsie* planet the reality is the pats* think gonzalez will replace moss LOL Gonzalez Have another drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 While I understand the idea of spreading the ball around, I don't particularly get this sentiment. Why does the subtraction of moss now make the other receivers better?? With moss it was stop moss and welker, now without moss, it's stop everyone?? I think the offense will still be good, but I just don't think it will be as good. I also think they will struggle to come back from large deficits without that homerun threat. We shall see though. Youve got it. With Moss, you have to throw him the ball to keep him involved otherwise he takes plays off. 2 players getting 500 yards is the same as Moss getting 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Keep dreaming. Brady and the Pats can and will play better, while the Sanchez and the Jets have peaked. What goes up must come down. And you know this how ? Right now the Jets have the better OL, a better running game and better WR Sorry but Brady isn't pulling this one off on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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