Common Sense Says Run the Ball

[jussssstme]

The Jets O-Line and LT and crew should dominate in this game. How much you want to bet that Schotty out thinks himself and decides to put in a pass happy game plan to "surprise" the Broncos.

Broncos are a team to worry about, but a good hard hitting safe game should take this one home. Truly no need to throw in a high risk game plan.

Is it Sunday yet?

[THE ILK]

I don't see the Jets abandoning their ground and pound philosophy in this one.

[Vudu]

Outside of Champ Bailey who in their secondary really scares anyone?

Run or paSS, Jets WIN!

[JiF]

The Jets O-Line and LT and crew should dominate in this game. How much you want to bet that Schotty out thinks himself and decides to put in a pass happy game plan to "surprise" the Broncos.

Broncos are a team to worry about, but a good hard hitting safe game should take this one home. Truly no need to throw in a high risk game plan.

Is it Sunday yet?

It wouldnt be crazy to try and catch them off guard and get up early. You are going to have to score to beat the Broncos.

The Titans did this against the Cowboys and it worked well. Came out passing, got 2 early TD's and a lead, and Chris Johnson'd them to death for the rest of the game.

[SenorGato]

The Jets O-Line and LT and crew should dominate in this game. How much you want to bet that Schotty out thinks himself and decides to put in a pass happy game plan to "surprise" the Broncos.

Broncos are a team to worry about, but a good hard hitting safe game should take this one home. Truly no need to throw in a high risk game plan.

Is it Sunday yet?

I know this might come as surprising to Jet fans since they haven't seen a QB in forever and therefore you live in some alternate reality where guys on the sidelines affect the game more than the guys on the field...It's not a "surprise" on the league to pass the ball unless the QB sucks...You sayin Sanchez SUCKS boay? Cause if you're saying Sanchez sucks...*punches drywall and feels own power*...Me and my ex girlfriend turned beast Palmella...now Fistella...might have some words for you.

Get it in your head that going into the game with the mentality of "we can just run it down their throats" is not only outdated, but asking for trouble. It's 20-f*ckin-10...You cannot just eliminate the pass as a weapon because you deem an opponent easy pickins. That's hacky at best, and why the Great Brian Schottenheimer has the OC job while you have the message board poster/fan job with this team.

Jifs plan works much better...something downfield to Edwards and/or Holmes early on...get some early points...Schotty's scripted drives have been very good this year (and often enough in the past, though that's a can of worms here with me saying it), and our best bet to be able to pound the ball the rest of the way is to score early on one of those drives.

[bobbyjet69]

Broncos secondary is banged up, ofcourse they're gonna throw!

[jussssstme]

Wasn't sayin Sanchez sucks, I think he's going to be a good QB, because he is smart. What I'm saying is that while their secondary is hurting, their real weakness is the inability to stop the run. Therefore, that should be the primary thought. Run first, pass 2nd. To me 55-45 or 60-40 run to pass ratio. And until they stop the run, keep pounding until they do.

I can see Brian abandoning what should be a balanced attack weighted more heavily towards the run and go for an aerial attack with a 70-30 pass vs run ratio. He did that a few times last year, ran against a lousy pass D and passed against a lousy run D. That stuff also happened after Sanchez looked unstoppable in the beginning of the year. We looked awesome and he revved the engine like he was riding off for a 3some with Stergas and Inez. Keeping with the smart D-1st concept and continually moderate increases with Sanchez would be nice. He has the potential to be Brady-Manning like, but that's still a aways away.

If you are saying that we can just choose to be a pass happy attack because Mark hasn't thrown an Int yet, that is insane. He's been good, but he's still only in his 2nd year, he will have that momentary relapse. Hope not, but the odds say it will. He did well last week, but he should have had at least 2 picked against the Vikes. Hopefully, those were his setbacks and it worked.

All I am saying is we've been using a winning formula, don't change up the recipe because you are trying to be too cute.

And yes, this year is not last year, but too many times, they'd go against

[SenorGato]

I still think what you're saying is ridiculous. There's no special statistical ratio he has to keep it at to win the game...which is the whole point of the exercise.

If you choose to live and die on the run, especially nowadays, you're usually going to die. What you're saying is easier said than done. Yes, we can wrack up tons of garbage yards and clock seconds running the ball, no that doesn't mean they should limit pass plays out of fear that Sanchez will finally regress.

[JohnnyLV]

The Jets O-Line and LT and crew should dominate in this game. How much you want to bet that Schotty out thinks himself and decides to put in a pass happy game plan to "surprise" the Broncos.

Broncos are a team to worry about, but a good hard hitting safe game should take this one home. Truly no need to throw in a high risk game plan.

Is it Sunday yet?

I think that the Jets will continue what has been working which is to be much more balanced between runs and passes and try to not be as predictable.

[SenorGato]

It is nice to see Step 1 in the Reinstate the Hate of Schotty initiative. I guess I shouldn't be cocky about this week's game after all.

[Larz]

I think it's more likely the broncos will try to surprise the jets with more running attempts, draws specifically

throwing on first down is perfectly fine even this week, as long as they are happy to check down and get 4 yards out of it abd stay on schedule

throwing to get the lead and running out the clock is the winning formula in the NFL no matter what your opponents stats are

the big problem for me would be if they take a lot of deep shots early in the game, there is no need for that

don't forget that would also be partly on sanchez, as he has been told " a shot called is not a shot taken"

[SenorGato]

the big problem for me would be if they take a lot of deep shots early in the game, there is no need for that

Alot is dumb and forcing it...Those type of plays only get one or maybe two attempts before you have to reset to try them again.

[jussssstme]

I still think what you're saying is ridiculous. There's no special statistical ratio he has to keep it at to win the game...which is the whole point of the exercise.

If you choose to live and die on the run, especially nowadays, you're usually going to die. What you're saying is easier said than done. Yes, we can wrack up tons of garbage yards and clock seconds running the ball, no that doesn't mean they should limit pass plays out of fear that Sanchez will finally regress.

And again, I will say that you are not getting what I am saying. I want them to continue to do what they have been doing. My concern is them going in and trying to re-invent themselves into 2007 pats for this one game because the word on the street is that Denver has a weak run defense.

what part of I hope they stick with a good balanced game, run and pass, with passes being short, medium and long is not understood. I am not advocating for a 70-30 run to pass ratio, but a more balanced with a lean towards the run.

This is alos not an attempt to bash Schotty, I actually think he is a good young coordinator, one who probably isn't quite ready for a HC job, but young and promising. One who does at times overthink things. He;s creative, he's bright, he just outsmarts himself sometimes.

This a one of those, we should win over a decent team games. I can see us losing not because of lack of talent, but because stupidity.

[SenorGato]

And again, I will say that you are not getting what I am saying. I want them to continue to do what they have been doing. My concern is them going in and trying to re-invent themselves into 2007 pats for this one game because the word on the street is that Denver has a weak run defense.

what part of I hope they stick with a good balanced game, run and pass, with passes being short, medium and long is not understood. I am not advocating for a 70-30 run to pass ratio, but a more balanced with a lean towards the run.

This is alos not an attempt to bash Schotty, I actually think he is a good young coordinator, one who probably isn't quite ready for a HC job, but young and promising. One who does at times overthink things. He;s creative, he's bright, he just outsmarts himself sometimes.

This a one of those, we should win over a decent team games. I can see us losing not because of lack of talent, but because stupidity.

And all I'm saying is that "run it down their throats" is no longer an effective offensive strategy, if it ever truly was. This is especially true when the opposing offense can pass the ball, which is entirely possible given our 23rd ranked pass defense and lack of Revis.

To run the ball down their throats for a majority of the game they're going to have to pass the ball.

[spjets]

this is perfect game for Keller and Holmes in the middle of the field, with a heavy dose of LT and SG....

[jussssstme]

this is perfect game for Keller and Holmes in the middle of the field, with a heavy dose of LT and SG....

Heavy Heavy doses of LT and SG. Without forgetting to pass as well.

[jussssstme]

And all I'm saying is that "run it down their throats" is no longer an effective offensive strategy, if it ever truly was. This is especially true when the opposing offense can pass the ball, which is entirely possible given our 23rd ranked pass defense and lack of Revis.

To run the ball down their throats for a majority of the game they're going to have to pass the ball.

Do you just say things to say things? You did read the part where I said I thought a good balanced attack with a preferable 55-45 or even a 60-40 run to pass ratio would be good, that the 60-40 if it's working. I thought it would be taken for granted that if it's working means that we are running more than passing and that scoring goes with that. Meaning it generates a lead and we are not playing catch-up.

When playing any good passing team that might put up a lot of points one would prefer to be an offense that uses ball control <run-oriuneted maybe?> to limit the time of possession of the other team. Utilizing a pass happy quick strike offense only puts you into a shoot out game. While I think that Mark will do well in these eventually, do you really want to play that kind of game now?

A game plan that continues to be a game plan indicates that things within the game plan are working. If you have a game plan and the other team is rocking your world, you need to adjust, or go away from said game plan.

[Bruce Banner]

The Jets O-Line and LT and crew should dominate in this game. How much you want to bet that Schotty out thinks himself and decides to put in a pass happy game plan to "surprise" the Broncos.

Broncos are a team to worry about, but a good hard hitting safe game should take this one home. Truly no need to throw in a high risk game plan.

Is it Sunday yet?

Doing the stupid thing is the Schotty MO. Its raining so much the game was delayed? Throw the ball. I figure there is a 70% chance that Schotty's game plan is based on trying to surprise the Broncos with running.

Until Brian Schottenheimer is gone he is the Jets biggest opponent.

[flgreen]

Why Not?

It worked real well for the Ravens. Flacco threw the ball 25 times against Denver. 18 of them were in the 1st half, plus he was sacked once, and scrambled for gains 3 other times.

They were up 17-0 at the half

[SenorGato]

Do you just say things to say things? You did read the part where I said I thought a good balanced attack with a preferable 55-45 or even a 60-40 run to pass ratio would be good, that the 60-40 if it's working. I thought it would be taken for granted that if it's working means that we are running more than passing and that scoring goes with that. Meaning it generates a lead and we are not playing catch-up.

When playing any good passing team that might put up a lot of points one would prefer to be an offense that uses ball control <run-oriuneted maybe?> to limit the time of possession of the other team. Utilizing a pass happy quick strike offense only puts you into a shoot out game. While I think that Mark will do well in these eventually, do you really want to play that kind of game now?

A game plan that continues to be a game plan indicates that things within the game plan are working. If you have a game plan and the other team is rocking your world, you need to adjust, or go away from said game plan.

1. Sometimes...it's a terrible habit, I know.

2.. The Broncos aren't going to pile up points.

3. Passing the ball doesn't HAVE to mean shoot out. OTOH it IS a way to score points quicker than eating up the clock, which unfortunately doesn't earn you points.

4. You really should accept the fact that drafting a QB at 5 and starting him means they want to pass the ball and will do so...and not just if it comes down to it.

I expect to run the ball quite a bit on the Broncos, but I just disagree with your original post. You can't take the ball out of the QBs hands and then turn around and tell everyone you trust him to win you games if he has to.

[jussssstme]

1. Sometimes...it's a terrible habit, I know.

2.. The Broncos aren't going to pile up points.

3. Passing the ball doesn't HAVE to mean shoot out. OTOH it IS a way to score points quicker than eating up the clock, which unfortunately doesn't earn you points.

4. You really should accept the fact that drafting a QB at 5 and starting him means they want to pass the ball and will do so...and not just if it comes down to it.

I expect to run the ball quite a bit on the Broncos, but I just disagree with your original post. You can't take the ball out of the QBs hands and then turn around and tell everyone you trust him to win you games if he has to.

1. That's ok, I do that too sometimes. I frusrate the hell out of my girl constantly by doing that.

2. I agree there, unless the defense has tremendous mental breakdown.

3. Agree here as well. You can use the passing game to continue with a ball controll offense. The expected end result of each ball controlled drive should be some kind of points. I wouldn't suggest that they just try to control the clock without scoring.

4. I don't consider myself one of those people that think Sanchez needs to be mind controlled. I do think he's a good QB, but I like the Ravens approach of slow and steady upbringing. I think that Sanchez has enough in him to run with whatever type of team we play against. If we have to play catch up, we do have the tools <which includes the QB> to go toe to toe, but that isn't the preferred game plan. Even Brady and Belechick, when playing Peyton and Co would prefer to keep the ball out of Peytons hands using ball control. That doesn't mean there isn't the confidence in Tom, just that it's best to keep the ball out of Manning's hands.

It is a fact that the Broncos aren't as good against the run as they are against the pass. I can just imagine Schotty outthinking himself and putting in a game plan with a 70-30 pass to run ratio. Yes, we may win with that, but that doesn't mean I believe it's the most sensible. But then again, I am a Monday Morning QB/coach and not the one there on Sundays.

[Larz]

I can just imagine Schotty outthinking himself and putting in a game plan with a 70-30 pass to run ratio.

me either !

I think they will try to be balanced, maybe 60/40 pass in the first quarter, 60/40 run in the 2nd half

It all comes down to how the game unfolds, and how the donkeys line up

my sincere hope is the jets are at a point where they can throw the 8th man out of the box when they have to

if the donkeys lock up bailey on edwards, and stack the box, the jets have to make them pay with passes to keller and holmes and LT out of the back field, they can't stubbornly run it to run it

but your original point is a good one on some levels, the altitude will wear on the jets defense, and some long drives would be nice, as long as the jets don't get greedy and go up top a bunch, a short passing game with keller and LT could work as well as a ground and pound

[slats]

And again, I will say that you are not getting what I am saying. I want them to continue to do what they have been doing. My concern is them going in and trying to re-invent themselves into 2007 pats for this one game because the word on the street is that Denver has a weak run defense.

Why is this your concern? If you're under the impression that Schotty is "a good young coordinator," why do you think he'll come into this game with a foolish game plan? Do you think Rex has any input with his team's offense at all? Or does he just hang out with Mike Pettine and make Schottenheimer jokes?

The Jets aren't the Ravens. That's their roots, but it's not who they are. The Jets pass defense isn't nearly as good at Baltimore's this year. Revis may or may not play today, and if he does he won't be 2009 Revis. The Jets will have to run a balanced offensive attack against the Broncos to win. They will be very conscious of running the clock whenever they can, but they will also have to be conscious of the need to cap drives with points - preferably TD's.

The Broncos' pass defense has actually been better than the Jets so far this year, but I think that's largely because teams run on the Broncos to try to keep the ball away from them. They don't generate much of a pass rush, and they only have 3 int's to date. This is a game where the Jets' offense should really shine. They should be able to run the football, they should be able to run a lot of play action, and they should be able to just drop back and pass if the need arises. I think the Broncos are going to be able to move the ball and score as well. Be nice if this is the week the Jets decide to really get on track defensively, but I think this might be one of those games where the team is leaning on the offense for the win.

[DMaynard]

I don't care how weak the Broncos may appear against the run and how well the Jets have been running it. Hopefully Schotty has finally learned the magic of throwing on 1st and 2nd down enough to keep the opposing defense off balance. If they just try to run over the Broncos with no balance, it will allow Denver to stack the LOS and have a chance.

Unless or until he crawls back in his comfortable fetel position, I will give Schotty the benefit of the doubt.

Jets will dominate this game.

[Bergen Jet]

Common sense is to always be flexible and go with what is working week in and week out regardless of if that means passing more or rushing more or balancing the two right down the middle...