Jetsfan80 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 As much as I love our blitz-happy defense, the overload blitz seems to be getting read by opposing offenses too easily. There was a key play late in the game yesterday where we sent it and the Bronco line shifted left, easily shutting it down. It happened last year in the Buffalo game as well. I hope Rex has an answer for it, because there's nothing better than seeing Pace, Taylor, or another edge rusher coming in unblocked on the QB's blindside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 As much as I love our blitz-happy defense, the overload blitz seems to be getting read by opposing offenses too easily. There was a key play late in the game yesterday where we sent it and the Bronco line shifted left, easily shutting it down. It happened last year in the Buffalo game as well. I hope Rex has an answer for it, because there's nothing better than seeing Pace, Taylor, or another edge rusher coming in unblocked on the QB's blindside. Teams are picking up on it there is no doubt. The first couple of games last year they seemed to blitz a bit more from the inside sending Harris and Scott. As a matter of fact in the opener against the Texans you had Jenkins at one point standing up and taking a running start. I'm not seeing as much of that now. It is going to be interesting to see how he reacts to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireJet38 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Taylor was lining up all over the place yesterday. It actually looked like he was playing more DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 As much as I love our blitz-happy defense, the overload blitz seems to be getting read by opposing offenses too easily. There was a key play late in the game yesterday where we sent it and the Bronco line shifted left, easily shutting it down. It happened last year in the Buffalo game as well. I hope Rex has an answer for it, because there's nothing better than seeing Pace, Taylor, or another edge rusher coming in unblocked on the QB's blindside. I am getting sick of the 3rd and long blitzes , leaving CBs in man coverage. For 3rd and long I would rather have more pass coverage so we dont get burned on a long pass. Get ball back damnit....we have burned on a few 3rd and really longs so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 It is getting picked up. But it is resulting in some pretty bad QB throws as well. I think that is Rex's premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I agree that teams are picking it up more, but I'm not sure that he cares. This team is not about sneak sacks the way Mangini's was. The Jets are looking to pick their spots, they want to pressure the QB and force quick throws. This means the DBs will have to cover for less time and lets them jump routes and play agressively, even without the sack. It also means that OLinemen, TEs and RBs must be ready to move quick to pick up the blitz. That can cause some false starts and plays like the blown snap yesterday. While the overload itself might not always work, it can let the D know which way the pass has to go which can also let the DBs shade. I think we will see more zone blitzing (like Devito's tipped pass) and some mixed coverages, but generally I fully expect more of the same. Remember, IMO this team has been dealing with injuries to their top players at each level. Jenkins is gone. Revis and Pace are back, but they are not 100%. Once Revis is 100% I'm willing to bet that we'll see considerably more success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 It is getting picked up. But it is resulting in some pretty bad QB throws as well. I think that is Rex's premise. Could be. Our backs are in man coverage, but hopefully the recevier won't have time to run his route, and the best QBs will look average with enough hands in their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Well overloading one side of the line isn't exactly subtle...It's meant to disrupt the timing of a passing play and honestly alot of the time it works out for the Jets. As Pace gets more snaps I expect pretty sack numbers to pile up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTime Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I am getting sick of the 3rd and long blitzes , leaving CBs in man coverage. For 3rd and long I would rather have more pass coverage so we dont get burned on a long pass. Get ball back damnit....we have burned on a few 3rd and really longs so far Im with you on this one, I would like for them to NOT do it EVERY 3rd down. The opposing teams know this already, switch it up. My wife knows when we gonna blitz..Im happy as hell we 5-1, but our D is not looking the same this year. Hopefully we get better as the year goes along, I need the JETS to be #1 in Defense and of course in Wins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Im with you on this one, I would like for them to NOT do it EVERY 3rd down. The opposing teams know this already, switch it up. My wife knows when we gonna blitz..Im happy as hell we 5-1, but our D is not looking the same this year. Hopefully we get better as the year goes along, I need the JETS to be #1 in Defense and of course in Wins... i am ok with 3rd and less than 10, I am pissed with these 3rd and 14, 17 and 20 etc etc. makes zero sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 i am ok with 3rd and less than 10, I am pissed with these 3rd and 14, 17 and 20 etc etc. makes zero sense to me. Depends. It takes more time to set up a 20 yard pass and the overload is designed to not give a QB that time. On the other hand, I think it is more vulnerable to the short dump-off, which could lead to Cromartie being the only thing between a ball-carrier at the 2nd level and a first down for the opposing team *gulp*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 i am ok with 3rd and less than 10, I am pissed with these 3rd and 14, 17 and 20 etc etc. makes zero sense to me. the reason why it makes sense is that the QB has to throw before the WR can even get close to the yardage needed for the first... and he's usually hurried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 the reason why it makes sense is that the QB has to throw before the WR can even get close to the yardage needed for the first... and he's usually hurried. we have given up a higher% of 1st downs when in blitzing 3rd and real longs this year. It hasnt worked as well as last year to this point. Granted many on penalties, but wiuth man coverage u get more pass interferance calls as opposed to conservative zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 we have given up a higher% of 1st downs when in blitzing 3rd and real longs this year. It hasnt worked as well as last year to this point. Granted many on penalties, but wiuth man coverage u get more pass interferance calls as opposed to conservative zone. We have, but a whole sh*tload of those were PI calls. A bunch were bogus/borderline. Guess you're the only one missing Mangini. FWIW, I'd prefer to mix it up a little more, but that blitz is bread and butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 The blitz is all about forcing the QB to make a quick decision, premise being by making quick decisions, they are more likely to make a mistake. Orton played it safe and basically identified single coverage and just chucked it up. A few times it worked, more often then not it was incomplete or a near pick. I think the defense works really well against all but the best QB's that also arent' afraid to really stand in and take a hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Depends. It takes more time to set up a 20 yard pass and the overload is designed to not give a QB that time. On the other hand, I think it is more vulnerable to the short dump-off, which could lead to Cromartie being the only thing between a ball-carrier at the 2nd level and a first down for the opposing team *gulp*. I'm amazed team's don't run quick slants against the defense. Many times one of these little passes, if thrown in stride can break long with no safeties back there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 We have, but a whole sh*tload of those were PI calls. A bunch were bogus/borderline. Guess you're the only one missing Mangini. FWIW, I'd prefer to mix it up a little more, but that blitz is bread and butter. so missed my point. I simply feel on 3rd and VERY long we should be in a zone to prevent those damn PI calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I'm amazed team's don't run quick slants against the defense. Many times one of these little passes, if thrown in stride can break long with no safeties back there.. Especially because Revis can't cover the slant pass...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child please Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Rex has been doing it for over a decade, it's on film. The offenses remedy is to throw the ball up the sideline and hope for a PI call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 rex has been calling these blitzes for what, over a decade ? i think the jets just don't have a good blitzer who can get there consistently they do show it and back out of it also, sometime the illusion of pressure is all you need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 yeah i hate it too! i also hate being 5-1 as a result of it! if it ain't broke!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 so missed my point. I simply feel on 3rd and VERY long we should be in a zone to prevent those damn PI calls. Nah, I didn't miss your point at all. Going zone on 3rd and very long would be a huge philosophical shift for this team. I agree it would be nice to mix some zone in on occasion, for a change of pace. OTOH, remember while a guy like Lowery might improve from switching to zone, Cromartie has flat out blamed playing zone and off for his sucking for the past 2 years. Playing zone on 3rd and VERY long is like playing prevent and it violates the core value of this team. I did notice the high percentage of 3rd and very long (>10 yards) being converted and I honestly look at it as something that will even out over time and when it does our D will be #1 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I am getting sick of the 3rd and long blitzes , leaving CBs in man coverage. For 3rd and long I would rather have more pass coverage so we dont get burned on a long pass. Get ball back damnit....we have burned on a few 3rd and really longs so far I agree but that's only because Revis has been banged up. When he's healthy, coupled with Cro who has played well, we will be able to do that more again. With some added success I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Rex isnt going to change his defense. This is no different than the offseason conversations about how we wont be able to blitz with out Revis. Rex is going to blitz and he's going to leave CB's one on one. Thats how he does it. And I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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