AFJF Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Being that the Jets have a bye this week, there's not going to be much news worth discussing for a few more days so how about a look ahead? Normally not a hugely popular topic when your team is 5-1 but face it, this team has a TON of talent that they would love to be able to keep around. I keep hearing "if we can re-sign (enter player name here) it would be awesome" Well, some of the key guys continually mentioned are... Braylon Edwards who will probably demand between 8-10 mil per season if he keeps playing at the leve he's at. Santonio Holmes- Could easily demand the same as Braylon as long as he keep shis nose clean and produces David Harris- I'm guessing in the 6-7 million range based on what Willis got and he's the best in the business. Antonio Cromartie- I'm hoping he doesn't try to command as much as douchebag did so maybe 6-7 mil per. That comes out to 28-34 million for four guys. Is it possible that Tanny can pull this off? Players w/ expiring contracts will free up roughly $23 million. What makes this interesting is that with a new CBA on the way could mean a reduction to the cap which in turn will lead to lower player salaries. Guys might want to be paid based on what their peers make, but if the pot shrinks then the reality of the situatino is that there won't be as much money to hand out as there was before which means the 28-34 million could actually come down slightly. Would Tanny be able to re-work enough deals/cut enough players to free up an additional $10 mil and keep all of these players? Impossible to answer accurately w/o knowing what the cap will be but even just discussing the possibility of keeping all the key guys could be a good topic of discussion IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Suspect they will re-sign either Edwards or Holmes, but not both. Drafting Wilson was all about Cromartie not being here past 2010. But Wilson hasn't done much to make decision any easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Someone's going to go...my guess is Holmes or Harris, but f*ck it I'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodimwithere Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Lets wait until the off season to see what happens. Every team has player personnel decisions it has to make, and whether or not there is a CBA for the 2011 season will play prominently into those decisions. If there is a CBA and the salary cap comes back (assuming the cap is nowhere near $180 million-- it will likely be closer to $135 million) then some players on the current team will not be with the Green and White in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jpf4671 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 We're 5 and 1 the "big picture" is here and now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jpf4671 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Sorry I just read my post and realized it came off cocky, just saying in the immortal words of Leon Hess, I'm 39 yrs old and want to win now!, lol, we've all spent countless years worrying about how to get to this point, let's worry about the future later. And honestly as long as the coach and the QB develop as we hope then all the other tennenbaum dilemmas aren't such dilemmas anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Lets wait until the off season to see what happens. Every team has player personnel decisions it has to make, and whether or not there is a CBA for the 2011 season will play prominently into those decisions. If there is a CBA and the salary cap comes back (assuming the cap is nowhere near $180 million-- it will likely be closer to $135 million) then some players on the current team will not be with the Green and White in 2011. I agree, but how many teams are facing a situation like the Jets are? Two #1 WR's entering their prime. Top 5 MLB entering his prime. Top 5-10 CB entering his prime. Not a lot of teams are facing what Tanny is IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Sorry I just read my post and realized it came off cocky, just saying in the immortal words of Leon Hess, I'm 39 yrs old and want to win now!, lol, we've all spent countless years worrying about how to get to this point, let's worry about the future later. And honestly as long as the coach and the QB develop as we hope then all the other tennenbaum dilemmas aren't such dilemmas anyway I see what you're saying but as I said in my thread above, I don't think any team is facing a loss of top-level young talent that's on par with the Jets and I figured this would be better than another thread about Schotty, Brady, or Favre's Cock during the bye week. Although I'm sure the mods will disagree with the latter, I won't be the one to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Say goodbye to Gholston, Jenkins, Woody, and Ellis. That should free up enough for Edwards, Holmes, and Harris. And if Tanny is creative enough and, or, the boys wanna give a rex discount maybe even Cro can stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildthing2022000 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Santonio Holmes- Could easily demand the same as Braylon as long as he keep shis nose clean and produces He was busted for pot not coke like Ainge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Say goodbye to Gholston, Jenkins, Woody, and Ellis. That should free up enough for Edwards, Holmes, and Harris. And if Tanny is creative enough and, or, the boys wanna give a rex discount maybe even Cro can stay. Gholston- Absolutely gone Jenkins- Try to re-work his deal at a deep discount Woody- It all depends on Vald. IMO he was drafted to play RT. Ellis- I hate to say it but you're probably right. I'd love to see them find a way to retain him but I don't know how realistic that is. Also consider Jason Taylor and Faneca's salary coming off the books. I think that should come to about $6-7 mil in savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Being that the Jets have a bye this week, there's not going to be much news worth discussing for a few more days so how about a look ahead? Normally not a hugely popular topic when your team is 5-1 but face it, this team has a TON of talent that they would love to be able to keep around. I keep hearing "if we can re-sign (enter player name here) it would be awesome" Well, some of the key guys continually mentioned are... Braylon Edwards who will probably demand between 8-10 mil per season if he keeps playing at the leve he's at. Santonio Holmes- Could easily demand the same as Braylon as long as he keep shis nose clean and produces David Harris- I'm guessing in the 6-7 million range based on what Willis got and he's the best in the business. Antonio Cromartie- I'm hoping he doesn't try to command as much as douchebag did so maybe 6-7 mil per. That comes out to 28-34 million for four guys. Is it possible that Tanny can pull this off? Players w/ expiring contracts will free up roughly $23 million. What makes this interesting is that with a new CBA on the way could mean a reduction to the cap which in turn will lead to lower player salaries. Guys might want to be paid based on what their peers make, but if the pot shrinks then the reality of the situatino is that there won't be as much money to hand out as there was before which means the 28-34 million could actually come down slightly. Would Tanny be able to re-work enough deals/cut enough players to free up an additional $10 mil and keep all of these players? Impossible to answer accurately w/o knowing what the cap will be but even just discussing the possibility of keeping all the key guys could be a good topic of discussion IMO. Actually, a new CBA could be good news for the Jets. The major restructuring deals with a cap on Rookies. The veteran cap would expand & allow a team to keep high ranking players who have been in the NFL for 7 or more years. That would be a big pat on the back for Tanny & I suspect that this is what the organization is hoping the NFL restructure is a big part of the new CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Ellis is not done just because of his age. Letting him go would be a money deal and a money deal only. I'm not going to say it would be BAD necessarily since I don't know the money situation. Obviously if letting him go means you're that much more likely to retain Harris then you have to do it. But all things being equal? No way. I'm not trying to overestimate him believe me but just watch the games... look at the stats... Ellis is still a very quality starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Ellis is not done just because of his age. Letting him go would be a money deal and a money deal only. I'm not going to say it would be BAD necessarily since I don't know the money situation. Obviously if letting him go means you're that much more likely to retain Harris then you have to do it. But all things being equal? No way. I'm not trying to overestimate him believe me but just watch the games... look at the stats... Ellis is still a very quality starter. Agreed...I'd love to see Ellis re-signed to a two year deal. He just keeps his mouth shut and plays at a high level. There's just no way for any of us to know what he'll be asking for. I'd be thrilled to see him stay but not if he's the difference between keeping or losing a player with 7-10 solid years left in the league. The new CBA will include a rookie cap IMO so if this is the assumption Tanny was operating under, he deserves even that much more credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Actually, a new CBA could be good news for the Jets. The major restructuring deals with a cap on Rookies. The veteran cap would expand & allow a team to keep high ranking players who have been in the NFL for 7 or more years. That would be a big pat on the back for Tanny & I suspect that this is what the organization is hoping the NFL restructure is a big part of the new CBA. I know it could help but the other issue to consider is ownership insisting that the players contribute a given percentage of the pot to stadium upkeep. Reduced cap + rookie cap + stadium upkeep = ???? I know it's all posturing so probably exaggerated but the players union has been telling the players that owners are expecting them to take a significant pay cut. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Say goodbye to Gholston, Jenkins, Woody, and Ellis. That should free up enough for Edwards, Holmes, and Harris. And if Tanny is creative enough and, or, the boys wanna give a rex discount maybe even Cro can stay. It's a start. If they're really interested in holding onto both Holmes and Edwards, they might consider trying to move Cotchery and his $3.7M cap number. Bryan Thomas is in the last year of his deal next season, that could be reworked with a lower 2011 number. LaDainian has looked great thru 6 games, we'll see how he looks thru 16. He's got a $3.3M cap number next year. Jason Taylor is in a similar situation counting $2.2M against next year's cap. Mark Brunell is $1.3M next year. Tony Richardson's $900k will be gone. Bart Scott's number drops @ $1.8M next year, but Mark Sanchez' goes thru the roof -from $8.9M to $16.5M- he'll be ripe for some sort of restructure, I'd think. Even if they just convert some of that salary to bonus just to spread it out. They have some wiggle room. Not a lot, but some. All in all, it's a good problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 The new CBA will include a rookie cap IMO so if this is the assumption Tanny was operating under, he deserves even that much more credit. It's unlikely that any rookie cap will result in a huge reduction in rookie salaries the first year, and where the Jets figure to be picking it probably won't effect them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 It's a start. If they're really interested in holding onto both Holmes and Edwards, they might consider trying to move Cotchery and his $3.7M cap number. Bryan Thomas is in the last year of his deal next season, that could be reworked with a lower 2011 number. LaDainian has looked great thru 6 games, we'll see how he looks thru 16. He's got a $3.3M cap number next year. Jason Taylor is in a similar situation counting $2.2M against next year's cap. Mark Brunell is $1.3M next year. Tony Richardson's $900k will be gone. Bart Scott's number drops @ $1.8M next year, but Mark Sanchez' goes thru the roof -from $8.9M to $16.5M- he'll be ripe for some sort of restructure, I'd think. Even if they just convert some of that salary to bonus just to spread it out. They have some wiggle room. Not a lot, but some. All in all, it's a good problem to have. Keep in mind when you're cutting players to save space you replace them with another salary, not with zero. Also Richardson may make $900K but he only counts $500K due to the vet rules. Replacing Richardson with a league-minimum, 51st roster spot player, saves the Jets maybe $200K. Cotchery may hit his de-escalator levels. I don't know what those levels actually are - whether they're starts, percentage of offensive snaps, receptions, receiving yards, or what - but if he doesn't hit them his figure drops by $1M. In that case he costs more to cut/trade than to keep (cap-wise). Agree on the strategy with Thomas, and that could save a little, but I wouldn't expect much of a discount. He's not so old that he's going to be out of football if he doesn't drop his salary by a significant amount. He's got a $3.2M base salary and $500K workout bonus (with the possibility of reaching some escalator $ 2010). How much are you planning on reducing the salary of a veteran starting OLB? You'd be lucky to squeeze $1M out of that if he feels someone else would pay him $2.5M/year for a couple more seasons. There might be a little hometown discount (or more of a Rextown discount really since these non-Rhodes defenders seem to really want to play for him) but his number isn't dropping much unless you have another guy slotted to start 16 games. Also agree on Sanchez. They'll do something to spread it a little. But they all know the last year of his deal is only a placeholder; he's never playing out that season as-is unless the Jets have decided to go with a different QB in 2014. So spreading too much more to balloon 2014 in previously-paid bonus money could be a big problem if/when it becomes year 1 of a new deal with a bunch of new money added to it. Tannenbaum's been pretty creative, so if it can be done he will work it out. Scott's number may drop but it's still pretty high at almost $7M. Jenkins will have to be cut or restructured. He's dominant when healthy but he's never healthy for long. maybe 10 complete and healthy games in 2008, 6 in 2009, and 0 in 2010. Can't pay a guy over $5M for 16 games even if he's just as likely to play half of one game or half a season. Keep in mind he was a shell of his all-pro level the last ~6 games of 2008. I give him credit for toughing it out through the pain, but his value to the Jets is if he plays at a superstar level, not simply playing to play. Rhodes and Faneca will be 100% off the books next year. Someone else brought up Woody. As of today I'd say his job in 2011 is safe unless they bring in someone else, or if he proves to be a liability through poor play or injury. If Ducasse moves to RT, as someone else brought up, that's fine but he has to beat out Woody in camp. The better of Slauson/Ducasse at LG in 2010 isn't the same as Ducasse-or-bust at RT in 2011. 6 of our starters are UFA's next year. Tannenbaum's got his work cut out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Sorry I just read my post and realized it came off cocky, just saying in the immortal words of Leon Hess, I'm 39 yrs old and want to win now!, lol, we've all spent countless years worrying about how to get to this point, let's worry about the future later. And honestly as long as the coach and the QB develop as we hope then all the other tennenbaum dilemmas aren't such dilemmas anyway Actually I couldn;t agree more. They are all signed and playing now, that's what we have to look forward too and thats what some of us older glutton for punishment types have been waiting for. Might not even be football next season, so tie on that(or in my case 14) bungie chord(s) and live in the moment!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Gholston and Brunell are goners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Gholston and Brunell are goners. They really don't save much by cutting him, other than the roster spot. If Gholston's gone it's because someone is willing to offer a draft pick. I think that's the plan (or the hope); that they can either trade him in February or get him to defer his roster bonus for another month or so to give the Jets more opportunity to trade him (the alternative being cut outright, though he may prefer that). If they can't trade him I think he's still got a decent chance to return in 2011, unless Ryan just can't stand the sight of him anymore or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Being that the Jets have a bye this week, there's not going to be much news worth discussing for a few more days so how about a look ahead? Normally not a hugely popular topic when your team is 5-1 but face it, this team has a TON of talent that they would love to be able to keep around. I keep hearing "if we can re-sign (enter player name here) it would be awesome" Well, some of the key guys continually mentioned are... Braylon Edwards who will probably demand between 8-10 mil per season if he keeps playing at the leve he's at. Santonio Holmes- Could easily demand the same as Braylon as long as he keep shis nose clean and produces David Harris- I'm guessing in the 6-7 million range based on what Willis got and he's the best in the business. Antonio Cromartie- I'm hoping he doesn't try to command as much as douchebag did so maybe 6-7 mil per. That comes out to 28-34 million for four guys. Is it possible that Tanny can pull this off? Players w/ expiring contracts will free up roughly $23 million. What makes this interesting is that with a new CBA on the way could mean a reduction to the cap which in turn will lead to lower player salaries. Guys might want to be paid based on what their peers make, but if the pot shrinks then the reality of the situatino is that there won't be as much money to hand out as there was before which means the 28-34 million could actually come down slightly. Would Tanny be able to re-work enough deals/cut enough players to free up an additional $10 mil and keep all of these players? Impossible to answer accurately w/o knowing what the cap will be but even just discussing the possibility of keeping all the key guys could be a good topic of discussion IMO. Braylon Edwards who will probably demand between 8-10 mil per season if he keeps playing at the leve he's at. Pay him. Santonio Holmes- Could easily demand the same as Braylon as long as he keep shis nose clean and produces- Let him go. David Harris- I'm guessing in the 6-7 million range based on what Willis got and he's the best in the business.-Let him go, we don't need 4 top dollar LB's. Antonio Cromartie- I'm hoping he doesn't try to command as much as douchebag did so maybe 6-7 mil per.-Pay him. Letting Harris and Holmes go is in no way an indication that they aren't any good, it's just that I feel we could survive on D without Harris and on O without Holmes. Losingt Cromartie hurts the D more than losing Harris imo. Same goes with Edwards/Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Braylon Edwards who will probably demand between 8-10 mil per season if he keeps playing at the leve he's at. Pay him. Santonio Holmes- Could easily demand the same as Braylon as long as he keep shis nose clean and produces- Let him go. David Harris- I'm guessing in the 6-7 million range based on what Willis got and he's the best in the business.-Let him go, we don't need 4 top dollar LB's. Antonio Cromartie- I'm hoping he doesn't try to command as much as douchebag did so maybe 6-7 mil per.-Pay him. Letting Harris and Holmes go is in no way an indication that they aren't any good, it's just that I feel we could survive on D without Harris and on O without Holmes. Losingt Cromartie hurts the D more than losing Harris imo. Same goes with Edwards/Holmes. I think you are premature on the Edwards vs. Holmes front. I agree they can't pay both $8M, but Holmes is probably a better WR than Edwards. We'll have to see who fits in better. I agree that Harris, while excellent, may be more easy to replace than most of the others, they may be better off dumping Scott and keeping Harris. This will all depend on the new agreement, but I'm pretty sure that Tannenbaum has been preparing for this all along and much as guys like T0m don't like him, he is an accountant. He's been close to awesome at fitting in contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 the question isn't who can they afford to pay but rather, who do they trust giving big money? Out of this group: David Harris. the rest of these guys couldn't be trusted with an ez pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 the question isn't who can they afford to pay but rather, who do they trust giving big money? Out of this group: David Harris. the rest of these guys couldn't be trusted with an ez pass. What has Cromartie done to show he isn't worthy of the trust of the front office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 They have some wiggle room. Not a lot, but some. All in all, it's a good problem to have. Yeah, they have a way of working around things financially. Also, we have to see what these guys want contract wise. I have a feeling that Edwards would take less to stay and Cotchery would rework his contract as well. If those 2 things happen then the Jets have more option. If everyone wants big money then many of them will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Another thing ... Slats mentioned that Thomas is in his last year. The Jets would be looking to upgrade their pass rush and Woodley could be an option (if the Steelers let him walk). I can see Thomas or even Pace be cut and the Jets work to bring in Woodley and re-sign Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 What has Cromartie done to show he isn't worthy of the trust of the front office? hes playing for a contract now... and looks great. Last year he was playing to get traded and was a mess. since he's been a Jets player he's been great. Before that... i dont know. by the way the original poster says 6-7 mil for Cro? try 14-15 for Cro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 by the way the original poster says 6-7 mil for Cro? try 14-15 for Cro. So Cromartie goes from # 2 CB money to Revis money all of a sudden? What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 So Cromartie goes from # 2 CB money to Revis money all of a sudden? What gives? besides his pro bowl resume and his outlandish size/speed, the fact that he did a great Revis impression the last couple weeks only drives up his value. i dont think the Jets will pay him Revis minus a mil but someone probably will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 besides his pro bowl resume and his outlandish size/speed, the fact that he did a great Revis impression the last couple weeks only drives up his value. i dont think the Jets will pay him Revis minus a mil but someone probably will. He had one pro bowl season in 2007 and did nothing in between. I fail to see how his play this year drove his value up by more than 100 %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 besides his pro bowl resume and his outlandish size/speed, the fact that he did a great Revis impression the last couple weeks only drives up his value. i dont think the Jets will pay him Revis minus a mil but someone probably will. No one is signing Cromartie for anything close to $14-15M per season. Lay off the crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Harris - Cromartie- Edwards are all keepers. Gholston,Brunell,Clemens high priced goners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Harris - Cromartie- Edwards are all keepers. Gholston,Brunell,Clemens high priced goners. And Holmes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 And Holmes? I think hes a goner. He will demand too much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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