Ryan vs. Ryan

[Jetsfan80]

VS.

This is going to be AWESOME. Rob Ryan's D has shut down the Saints and Patriots. Rex's D is, well, Rex's D....the best in the land. Rob and Rex look exactly alike, except that Rob looks like The Dude from Big Lebowski, and Rex is bigger.

I'm so pumped for this game, I'm barely even taking the time to celebrate the Lions win.

[THE ILK]

It will come down to the OC's, silly.

[Jetsfan80]

It will come down to the OC's, silly.

Mike Holmgren calls those, no? Funny how little work Mangini has to do these days now that the offense AND defense are in good hands.

[AFJF]

I wonder if Mangini will take the muzzle off of Rob and let him and Rex have some back and forth jabbing through the press.

[madmikeisback]

They aren't running for 230 against us. Thats for sure.

[Vudu]

Rex should let his hair grow out

[THE ILK]

Mike Holmgren calls those, no? Funny how little work Mangini has to do these days now that the offense AND defense are in good hands.

Mangini exposed the blue print on how to beat the beliscum and the cheats this year.

[#27TheDominator]

They aren't running for 230 against us. Thats for sure.

I'm not worried about Hillis gashing us for 200 yards, but I am a little concerned about McCoy's ability to move. This team has had some trouble with QBs that can move and if nothing else they create a wild card that may put some points up. The Jets should be fine, but they can't afford to get shut out again.

[Larz]

I hope rex lets shotty and sanchez go hurry up or 2 minute in the first half, that would **** rob up big time

[madmikeisback]

I'm not worried about Hillis gashing us for 200 yards, but I am a little concerned about McCoy's ability to move. This team has had some trouble with QBs that can move and if nothing else they create a wild card that may put some points up. The Jets should be fine, but they can't afford to get shut out again.

Hillis is that whole offense. If we can bottle him up they have no other good offensive players.

[Baldie]

Mangini exposed the blue print on how to beat the beliscum and the cheats this year.

or maybe Big Rex gave Rob his film notes on how to be the Pats and now Rob can give rex more of a current break down

Win for us all!

[Jetsfan80]

Hillis is that whole offense. If we can bottle him up they have no other good offensive players.

I'm more concerned about a Cleveland D that suffocated the defending champion Saints and the Pats.

[JiFtheOracle]

I'm not worried about Hillis gashing us for 200 yards, but I am a little concerned about McCoy's ability to move. This team has had some trouble with QBs that can move and if nothing else they create a wild card that may put some points up. The Jets should be fine, but they can't afford to get shut out again.

This. I think our D will give them fits. I dont expect any RB going of 100 yrds in a game against us and I'm not overly concerned with a single WR of theirs so we should be able to man up across the board and blitz like crazy. But Colt can move, and throw on the run. We havent been able to stop QB's once they leave the backfield this season. The only other concern I have is Hillis out of the backfield, he's got good hands and cant present multiple threats.

That said the defense is not what I'm worried about.

[SenorGato]

Mike Holmgren calls those, no? Funny how little work Mangini has to do these days now that the offense AND defense are in good hands.

I'd put a facepalm pic here but I'd rather just drink this in.

How to analyze NFL coaches...a tutorial from JN:

- If you like the guy then he's a positive.

- If you dislike the guy then he's the reason all bad things happen.

- If you dislike the guy and good things happen it's everyone doing their job but that one disliked guy.

Holmgren isn't involved with the Browns like that yet...not so directly that he's calling plays at least.

Since I'm done underestimating opponents this year I'm excited to see how this game plays out. The Browns aren't all that talented, but there's still talent there if that makes sense. The coaches there are doing an excellent job...they're all young guys too. They're going to be as hungry as the Lions. I'm excited to see what kind of present Mangini gives us this time...

[Klecko73isGod]

I'd put a facepalm pic here but I'd rather just drink this in.

How to analyze NFL coaches...a tutorial from JN:

- If you like the guy then he's a positive.

- If you dislike the guy then he's the reason all bad things happen.

- If you dislike the guy and good things happen it's everyone doing their job but that one disliked guy.

Holmgren isn't involved with the Browns like that yet...not so directly that he's calling plays at least.

Since I'm done underestimating opponents this year I'm excited to see how this game plays out. The Browns aren't all that talented, but there's still talent there if that makes sense. The coaches there are doing an excellent job...they're all young guys too. They're going to be as hungry as the Lions. I'm excited to see what kind of present Mangini gives us this time...

Dude, Schottenheimer's been dogsh*t here since day one. He's had two different head coaches and three diferent QBs and the results have always been mediocre. He is the common demoninator for our lousy offensive performance for five years now.

[#27TheDominator]

Dude, Schottenheimer's been dogsh*t here since day one. He's had two different head coaches and three diferent QBs and the results have always been mediocre. He is the common demoninator for our lousy offensive performance for five years now.

He's had 4 QBs. Two of them sucked, one was injured and kept playing and the last one has almost no experience. I keep saying it, but nobody believes me: The O is bad because the D is good. They play close to the vest and eat clock. It helps the D, but doesn't let the team put up any real numbers. Look at the criticism Schotty is taking today: Poster 1: Schotty sucks they never ground and pound! They pass too much! Poster 2: Yeah! You're right, Schotty sucks! They ran on too many first downs!

[SenorGato]

Dude, Schottenheimer's been dogsh*t here since day one. He's had two different head coaches and three diferent QBs and the results have always been mediocre. He is the common demoninator for our lousy offensive performance for five years now.

1. I've heard the argument a million times. You've basically just repeated to me the basic thesis statement...I still strongly disagree with it, but I'm not trying to bait anyone into some Schottenheimer bs here.

2. I was commenting more on 80's treatment of Mangini as some non-entity...Of course this is all due to the Browns winning because if they were losing man would that "Manigni's working alot less with those guys around" thing look different.

Poster 1: Schotty sucks they never ground and pound! They pass too much! Poster 2: Yeah! You're right, Schotty sucks! They ran on too many first downs!

I've been noticing this too...I'm trying to come up with something funny with this...Like an actual rule book on how to call plays from a fan perspective based on what I've seen written here. There's a whole lot of contradictory stuff..."we don't run enough"..."TOO CONSERVATIVE!!"..."They're overloaded Sanchez...tone it down!!!"...."we don't pass enough"..."Why shotgun or no huddle, it's too complicated!"..."I think we should do more no huddle because Sanchez seems to like it"..."Stop coming out and throw it, WE CAN RUN THE BALL!!11"..."They run too much on first down it's soooo predictable"..."More screens!"..."G-dammit I called that screen!"..."Sanchez needs to learn it's OK to checkdown"...."All Schotty does is force Sanchez to check down"...It's good stuff...definitely ESPN or Bleacher Report quality.

[ECURB]

He's had 4 QBs. Two of them sucked, one was injured and kept playing and the last one has almost no experience. I keep saying it, but nobody believes me: The O is bad because the D is good. They play close to the vest and eat clock. It helps the D, but doesn't let the team put up any real numbers. Look at the criticism Schotty is taking today: Poster 1: Schotty sucks they never ground and pound! They pass too much! Poster 2: Yeah! You're right, Schotty sucks! They ran on too many first downs!

Shotty is predictable to a fault.

That makes him suck.

Period.

[Klecko73isGod]

He's had 4 QBs. Two of them sucked, one was injured and kept playing and the last one has almost no experience. I keep saying it, but nobody believes me: The O is bad because the D is good. They play close to the vest and eat clock. It helps the D, but doesn't let the team put up any real numbers. Look at the criticism Schotty is taking today: Poster 1: Schotty sucks they never ground and pound! They pass too much! Poster 2: Yeah! You're right, Schotty sucks! They ran on too many first downs!

His four QBs -

Pennington - A guy who has won comeback player of the year with three different HCs, OCs and two different teams. Pennington ain't a great QB but he doesn't suck.

Clemens - a never was.

Favre - say what you want about the guy, but to suggest he sucks is simply ridiculous. Not for nothing, but Brett Favre had his worst year productivity-wise in the last eight years with Schotty as his OC. It's the only season of his entire career in which he failed to have a single 300-yard passing day. Favre three for 3472 yards in his one year with the Jets. The year before with the Packers he threw for 4155 and the year after with the Vikings he threw for 4202. Is it really a coincidence that Favre had his two best statistical seasons the years before and after he played for the Jets but his Jets year was mediocre?

Sanchez - a second-year QB that Schotty is in the process of destroying.

[SenorGato]

Pennington - A guy who has won comeback player of the year with three different HCs, OCs and two different teams. Pennington ain't a great QB but he doesn't suck.

Wtf? Schotty took him to the playoffs in his rookie season and Pennington's first full season. He did this despite Pennington's two shoulder surgeries, a starting RB named Barlow, and the two proven offensive skill guys on the roster being Chris Baker and coles...why the f*ck am I doing this again?

[#27TheDominator]

His four QBs -

Pennington - A guy who has won comeback player of the year with three different HCs, OCs and two different teams. Pennington ain't a great QB but he doesn't suck.

Clemens - a never was.

Favre - say what you want about the guy, but to suggest he sucks is simply ridiculous. Not for nothing, but Brett Favre had his worst year productivity-wise in the last eight years with Schotty as his OC. It's the only season of his entire career in which he failed to have a single 300-yard passing day. Favre three for 3472 yards in his one year with the Jets. The year before with the Packers he threw for 4155 and the year after with the Vikings he threw for 4202. Is it really a coincidence that Favre had his two best statistical seasons the years before and after he played for the Jets but his Jets year was mediocre?

Sanchez - a second-year QB that Schotty is in the process of destroying.

Pennington sucked during the time that Schottenhiemer had him. The team made the playoffs with a sh*t team and a QB that couldn't make a legimate throw over 15 yards. Couldn't throw an out, couldn't force it in. When you are quoting "comeback player of the year" trophies you know you are reaching. The other site doesn't have free search or I'm sure I could find posts of yours denigrating his ability.

Clemens. Sucked, sucks, will continue sucking for the foreseeable future.

Favre didn't suck. The team was up near the top of the league in scoring when he got hurt. Then they went in the tank. They were averaging over 29 ppg when that old pecker got hurt. Surely that was Schottenheimer's fault.

Say what you want about Sanchez, but he's obviously a work in progress, yet the team still wins. Against good teams, against bad teams. At home, on the road. In the playoffs.

Favre threw for less yards because the Jets are a defensive team and have the #1 rushing attack in the league. Yay Favre didn't throw for as many yards as he did with the Vikings (who have Peterson, Harvin, Rice and Shiancoe) but the team scored 56 and 47. Obviously Schotty's fault also!

[CTM]

He's had 4 QBs. Two of them sucked, one was injured and kept playing and the last one has almost no experience. I keep saying it, but nobody believes me: The O is bad because the D is good. They play close to the vest and eat clock. It helps the D, but doesn't let the team put up any real numbers. Look at the criticism Schotty is taking today: Poster 1: Schotty sucks they never ground and pound! They pass too much! Poster 2: Yeah! You're right, Schotty sucks! They ran on too many first downs!

It's comical. The game threads are the best. Atleast thier consistant, all roads lead to it being schotty's fault

fwiw, i wanted him out, but i do believe he's been handcuffed by bad/limited qb's his entire time here. At the end of the day, it's usually the QB that makes the OC look like a genuis, not the otehr way around

[rillo]

Not confident about this game @ all. Browns are playing good football, despite being under .500

[visajets]

Not confident about this game @ all. Browns are playing good football, despite being under .500

All I can say is Colt McCoy welcome to the NFL. I like him but the NYJETS defense is gonna eat him alive.

[Integrity28]

Mangini exposed the blue print on how to beat the beliscum and the cheats this year.

Really? Because we beat them first... or was this sarcasm?

[THE ILK]

Really? Because we beat them first... or was this sarcasm?

I'll keep you guessing.

[rillo]

Really? Because we beat them first... or was this sarcasm?

Yes, the Jets beat them first, but the Browns embarrassed them big time.

[THE ILK]

Yes, the Jets beat them first, but the Browns embarrassed them big time.

So did we.

[Vicious89x]

Brian shottenheimer is a mediocre OC who lives and dies by his QB. He's just average, like lots of other OC's. He's not, and never will be a "mastermind".

[Jetsfan80]

So.....How bout that Rob Ryan?

[bitonti]

So.....How bout that Rob Ryan?

Rob and Rex are twins but Rex's defense is generally a crazier brand of defense. Rob has more of a basic 3-4, which is Mangini's tendencies as well. I don't know if anyone can call a better defense than Rex Ryan on game day and that includes Rob.

it's probable that both Ryans do a really good job. Rex has more chess pieces to play with than Rob. but these 2 aren't going against each other (they are going against Schotty and whoever runs the Browns offense).

[SenorGato]

Rob and Rex are twins but Rex's defense is generally a crazier brand of defense. Rob has more of a basic 3-4, which is Mangini's tendencies as well. I don't know if anyone can call a better defense than Rex Ryan on game day and that includes Rob.

it's probable that both Ryans do a really good job. Rex has more chess pieces to play with than Rob. but these 2 aren't going against each other (they are going against Schotty and whoever runs the Browns offense).

I've been on Rob Ryan since Mangini's strikeout ('06, '07, '08) of bringing him to coordinate the D. His D is alot like Rex's but his coaching experience included NE and alot of West Coast D work...Whole lot of influences in his D, and it's one of the more complex one's out there (as is Rex's).

I expect to see some of the better blitz packages the Jets will see this season from the Browns. The team isn't really used to their personnel or style as they're out of division, and they've got a good amount of athletes.

[Klecko73isGod]

I've been on Rob Ryan since Mangini's strikeout ('06, '07, '08) of bringing him to coordinate the D. His D is alot like Rex's but his coaching experience included NE and alot of West Coast D work...Whole lot of influences in his D, and it's one of the more complex one's out there (as is Rex's).

I expect to see some of the better blitz packages the Jets will see this season from the Browns. The team isn't really used to their personnel or style as they're out of division, and they've got a good amount of athletes.

Actually the Jets are very familiar with a lot of the Browns personnel as there are a crapload of ex-Jets on that team: Eric Barton, David Bowens, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Jason Trusnik... and that's just on the defensive side of the ball.

[SenorGato]

Actually the Jets are very familiar with a lot of the Browns personnel as there are a crapload of ex-Jets on that team: Eric Barton, David Bowens, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Jason Trusnik... and that's just on the defensive side of the ball.

True, that's definitely an advantage. The Jets will know that Barton, Elam, and Bowens are prone to dumb penalties and playing in large amounts of space. Try to target them in the passing game, as well as whoever else sucks. Not sure how much Trusnik plays and Coleman is really a solid DL. Nothing special in the grand scheme of history, but doesn't really mess up either.

The Browns have a couple things on us:

- They're working with the DC Mangini always wanted to work with.

- Mangini is going to know this offense really, really well himself.

- The OC is our former QB coach so he knows the offense really well...I don't think he's anything special, but the Browns always pull some bs on offense if they pull anything.

The Jets haven't walked over anyone, and as talented as they are in the NFL it's still very hard to do that anyway. The Browns are as good as any of the 3 teams we just played, and we're on the road again. This might be the hardest game of all 4.

[THE ILK]

Maybe Schotty won't try to fool them, and he'll fool them!