Jets 1st down play by play

[ECURB]

Run plays in BOLD

9 times in a row they ran it on first at one point... while the Lions had the lead...

Before the JETS finally tried to push the ball in the 4th they had about 21 first down plays... and ran it 15 times... 3.9YPC

JETS 1st down plays

1-10-NYJ 32 (9:10) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to NYJ 37 for 5 yards (99-C.Williams).

1-5-NYJ 38 (5:34) 6-M.Sanchez pass short left to 10-S.Holmes to NYJ 45 for 7 yards (27-A.Smith).

1-10-NYJ 45 (4:59) 6-M.Sanchez pass short right to 21-L.Tomlinson pushed ob at NYJ 48 for 3 yards (54-D.Levy; 26-L.Delmas).

1-10-DET 40 (4:15) 6-M.Sanchez pass incomplete short right to 89-J.Cotchery (23-C.Houston).

1-10-NYJ 37 (1:18) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to NYJ 40 for 3 yards (26-L.Delmas).

1-10-NYJ 16 (11:37) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to NYJ 19 for 3 yards (54-D.Levy).

1-10-NYJ 13 (8:43) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to NYJ 19 for 6 yards (93-K.Vanden Bosch).

1-10-NYJ 28 (7:34) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass incomplete deep middle to 81-D.Keller (42-A.Spievey). PENALTY on DET-92-C.Avril, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NYJ 28 - No Play.

1-10-NYJ 33 (7:28) 21-L.Tomlinson left end pushed ob at NYJ 41 for 8 yards (27-A.Smith).

1-10-NYJ 44 (6:15) 6-M.Sanchez pass deep left to 10-S.Holmes to DET 25 for 31 yards (27-A.Smith). PENALTY on DET-75-T.McBride, Roughing the Passer, 13 yards, enforced at DET 25.

1-10-DET 12 (5:53) 23-S.Greene right tackle to DET 8 for 4 yards (98-J.Peterson; 96-A.Fluellen).

1-10-NYJ 25 (1:48) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez sacked at NYJ 16 for -9 yards (92-C.Avril). FUMBLES (92-C.Avril), recovered by NYJ-67-D.Woody at NYJ 16. 67-D.Woody to NYJ 16 for no gain (93-K.Vanden Bosch).

------------- 9 Freaking times in a ROW......

1-10-NYJ 31 (14:53) 23-S.Greene right end pushed ob at NYJ 38 for 7 yards (26-L.Delmas).

1-10-NYJ 45 (13:56) 23-S.Greene right tackle to NYJ 46 for 1 yard (42-A.Spievey).

1-10-NYJ 23 (8:51) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to NYJ 25 for 2 yards (99-C.Williams).

1-10-NYJ 41 (7:02) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to NYJ 41 for no gain (42-A.Spievey).

1-10-DET 42 (5:33) 16-B.Smith right end to DET 37 for 5 yards (30-N.Vasher).

1-10-NYJ 48 (3:12) 23-S.Greene right tackle to DET 49 for 3 yards (90-N.Suh).

1-10-DET 42 (1:03) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to DET 40 for 2 yards (93-K.Vanden Bosch).

1-10-NYJ 32 (11:43) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to NYJ 34 for 2 yards (26-L.Delmas).

1-10-NYJ 27 (8:34) 23-S.Greene up the middle to NYJ 35 for 8 yards (58-A.Palmer).

1-10-NYJ 42 (7:37) (No Huddle) 6-M.Sanchez pass incomplete short middle to 81-D.Keller.

1-15-NYJ 39 (4:26) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass short middle to 89-J.Cotchery to DET 43 for 18 yards (54-D.Levy). DET-92-C.Avril was injured during the play.

1-10-DET 43 (4:11) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass short left to 81-D.Keller to DET 37 for 6 yards (27-A.Smith).

1-10-DET 31 (3:38) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass deep middle to 81-D.Keller to DET 6 for 25 yards (98-J.Peterson).

1-6-DET 6 (3:16) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to DET 1 for 5 yards (33-B.McDonald).

1-10-NYJ 22 (1:40) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass short left to 21-L.Tomlinson pushed ob at NYJ 23 for 1 yard (27-A.Smith).

1-10-NYJ 34 (1:08) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass short middle to 21-L.Tomlinson to NYJ 44 for 10 yards (33-B.McDonald).

1-10-NYJ 44 (:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass short left to 21-L.Tomlinson pushed ob at DET 43 for 13 yards (98-J.Peterson). DET-27-A.Smith was injured during the play. PENALTY on DET-98-J.Peterson, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at DET 43.

1-10-DET 28 (:40) (Shotgun) 23-S.Greene up the middle to DET 20 for 8 yards (54-D.Levy).

1-10-DET 18 (:07) (No Huddle) 6-M.Sanchez spiked the ball to stop the clock.

1-10-NYJ 32 (14:53) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass incomplete short left to 10-S.Holmes.

1-10-DET 16 (14:07) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to DET 15 for 1 yard (58-A.Palmer).

[BP]

Anytime they did play action pass it was wide open. see Edwards bomb..lol..no need to do that often. we're THE ******* JETS! AND WE ******* GROUND AND POUND!

[JetsFan220]

Anytime they did play action pass it was wide open. see Edwards bomb..lol..no need to do that often. we're THE ******* JETS! AND WE ******* GROUND AND POUND!

The lack of play-action passes after the success we had with it last season during our run is crazy...There are enough Schotty bashing threads but how does this guy not realize what has/does work in this offense.

[JiF]

Remember last week when we didnt run it enough against GB and how we better run it more against another poor run defense in Detroit?

I do.

[JetsFan220]

Remember last week when we didnt run it enough against GB and how we better run it more against another poor run defense in Detroit?

I do.

I definitely think we should run the ball 25-30+ times per game but where is the play action to feed off of it?

Not only that, when your opponent is putting 8-9 guys in the box and you want to stretch the field to back them up, WR screens and quick slants is not going to get that done.

[SenorGato]

Lol you never answered my question about this in the other thread.

Remember last week when we didnt run it enough against GB and how we better run it more against another poor run defense in Detroit?

I do.

We can run it down their throats! Haven't you seen their defensive stats through 7 games? Teams know the secret to running on them, how is it the Jets couldn't figure it out?

Oh wait sorry...

They run too much! More short passes! Wait, Green Bay knew about the short passes...More deep balls! Wait...the Sanchez INT from yesterday was on a deep ball? DAMMIT! Establish the run beforehand then! Wait...

[JiF]

I definitely think we should run the ball 25-30+ times per game but where is the play action to feed off of it?

Not only that, when your opponent is putting 8-9 guys in the box and you want to stretch the field to back them up, WR screens and quick slants is not going to get that done.

Agreed. I was screaming for play actions on first. I was screaming for a roll out. I wanted all those things too. But these complaints are getting ridiculous now. You're damned if you do and you are damned if you dont if you are Schotty right now.

People complained he never throws down field, now he does it too much. People complained he didnt run enough, now he does it too much. People complained he doesnt throw short passes to get Sanchez coming, he did it last 3 weeks, but thats not what we need now. Just like Gato is saying below. Its never going to end.

Lol you never answered my question about this in the other thread.

We can run it down their throats! Haven't you seen their defensive stats through 7 games? Teams know the secret to running on them, how is it the Jets couldn't figure it out?

Oh wait sorry...

They run too much! More short passes! Wait, Green Bay knew about the short passes...More deep balls! Wait...the Sanchez INT from yesterday was on a deep ball? DAMMIT! Establish the run beforehand then! Wait...

What was your question?

[SenorGato]

What was your question?

What's the significance/trend that should be noted from these playcalls? Why should I care that they tried to run the ball on first down alot during the middle/meat of the game yesterday?

[ECURB]

What's the significance/trend that should be noted from these playcalls? Why should I care that they tried to run the ball on first down alot during the middle/meat of the game yesterday?

They were already losing and becoming even more predictable...

He was putting the Oline and Sanchez in low % situations.

[Bleedin Green]

What's the significance/trend that should be noted from these playcalls? Why should I care that they tried to run the ball on first down alot during the middle/meat of the game yesterday?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

It's one thing to commit to running the ball, it's another entirely to be so blatantly obvious about how and when you are going to be doing it. When your opponent knows exactly what you are going to do, the probability it is going to be successful declines significantly. At that point, Schotty was setting the Jets up for failure (yes, obviously not intentionally, I'm aware of that so don't even start with that nonsense), and if you don't believe in the predictability of his play-calling, why not see what the Packers defenders had to say about it last week.

Bottom line, the significance of the Jets overboard commitment to running it on nearly every single first down for over two and half quarter is that it lead to a grand total of 3 points.

[Scott Dierking]

People complained he never throws down field, now he does it too much. People complained he didnt run enough, now he does it too much. People complained he doesnt throw short passes to get Sanchez coming, he did it last 3 weeks, but thats not what we need now. Just like Gato is saying below. Its never going to end.

Exactly.

And people like ECURB love it that way.

[NYJ37/12]

Remember last week when we didnt run it enough against GB and how we better run it more against another poor run defense in Detroit?

I do.

You need to have effective running plays, not predictable runs. You cannot have tendencies in the NFL. Schotty is predictable.

[Scott Dierking]

You need to have effective running plays, not predictable runs. You cannot have tendencies in the NFL. Schotty is predictable.

So Schottenheimer is guilty of not knowing WHEN to call EFFECTIVE running plays.

Got it.

This OC job is so easy, I am surprised some guys who used to own hobby stores don't step right in.

[RutgersJetFan]

Remember last week when we didnt run it enough against GB and how we better run it more against another poor run defense in Detroit?

I do.

I think the point more is that of the 25 runs that Greene and Tomlinson saw, 18 of them came on 1st down. That's not exactly mixing it up.

[Aten]

You need to have effective running plays, not predictable runs. You cannot have tendencies in the NFL. Schotty is predictable.

Everybody is predictable. Everybody has tendencies. Deception is overrated. Until you get to a point where you're doing the same thing 65-70% of the time, going away from your strengths for the sake of variety is a waste of time. The whole idea of these creative running plays is sort of silly. Everybody in the NFL gets the bulk of their production on fewer than ten basic plays and the rest of it is filler and dust it off once a week (or even more infrequently) type stuff.

[Scott Dierking]

Everybody is predictable. Everybody has tendencies. Deception is overrated. Until you get to a point where you're doing the same thing 65-70% of the time, going away from your strengths for the sake of variety is a waste of time. The whole idea of these creative running plays is sort of silly. Everybody in the NFL gets the bulk of their production on fewer than ten basic plays and the rest of it is filler and dust it off once a week (or even more infrequently) type stuff.

Hmmmmm. The Jets run the ball a lot. Who would have guessed?

[Aten]

I think the point more is that of the 25 runs that Greene and Tomlinson saw, 18 of them came on 1st down. That's not exactly mixing it up.

More runs on third and long then? If the runs were more successful on first down there'd have been more of them on later downs.

[Bleedin Green]

Everybody is predictable. Everybody has tendencies. Deception is overrated. Until you get to a point where you're doing the same thing 65-70% of the time, going away from your strengths for the sake of variety is a waste of time. The whole idea of these creative running plays is sort of silly. Everybody in the NFL gets the bulk of their production on fewer than ten basic plays and the rest of it is filler and dust it off once a week (or even more infrequently) type stuff.

Wouldn't running on 14 of 17 first downs (approx 82.4%) from the end of the first to middle of the fourth quarter qualify under that scenario?

[Aten]

Wouldn't running on 14 of 17 first downs (approx 82.4%) from the end of the first to middle of the fourth quarter qualify under that scenario?

Sure. By the same token, one run on one first down (100%) would also qualify.

[#27TheDominator]

Wouldn't running on 14 of 17 first downs (approx 82.4%) from the end of the first to middle of the fourth quarter qualify under that scenario?

One of those runs was Brad Smith. It wasn't exactly 9 straight runs off-tackle for Greene.

[Bleedin Green]

Sure. By the same token, one run on one first down (100%) would also qualify.

That's a great example. Thank you.

[Scott Dierking]

Wouldn't running on 14 of 17 first downs (approx 82.4%) from the end of the first to middle of the fourth quarter qualify under that scenario?

Last week, the complaint was that they passed too much, particularly on first downs.

You can't make this stuff up.

[NYJ37/12]

So Schottenheimer is guilty of not knowing WHEN to call EFFECTIVE running plays.

Got it.

This OC job is so easy, I am surprised some guys who used to own hobby stores don't step right in.

He is guilty of NOT knowing when and how to call an effective game. That is my problem with him. I cannot speak for anyone else. He runs when he should pass and pass when he should run. He has no feel for the flow of the game or the strengths of his players. If I know what the play is from my living room, dont you think the guys getting paid also know the play??? Green Bay told you this last week.

PS. I have never owned a hobby store. Got it.

[RutgersJetFan]

More runs on third and long then?

Right. Because the only two realistic times in which an offense has the ball are 1st & 10 and 3rd & long.

[Scott Dierking]

He is guilty of NOT knowing when and how to call an effective game. That is my problem with him. I cannot speak for anyone else. He runs when he should pass and pass when he should run. He has no feel for the flow of the game or the strengths of his players. If I know what the play is from my living room, dont you think the guys getting paid also know the play??? Green Bay told you this last week.

PS. I have never owned a hobby store. Got it.

The Jets record tells me otherwise.

I am willing to wait until the end of the year to see where this team winds up before I start calling for heads now. Face it, the Jets ARE NOT going to change OC's in the middle of the season. It would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

It is the easiest job in the world to question play calling after the fact.

The defense actually played a much more undisciplined game than the offense did yesterday-I don't hear calls for Pettine's or Rex's head.

The thread starter owned a hobby store at one time. I am sure that he had people walking out of the store shaking their head "why does he keep the Lionel trains in aisle 3, where the Lego should be?"

[THE ILK]

Right. Because the only two realistic times in which an offense has the ball are 1st & 10 and 3rd & long.

Not even with Schotty?

[Aten]

Right. Because the only two realistic times in which an offense has the ball are 1st & 10 and 3rd & long.

We're not talking about an offense. We're talking about this offense.

[GimmeShelter]

Anytime they did play action pass it was wide open. see Edwards bomb..lol..no need to do that often. we're THE ******* JETS! AND WE ******* GROUND AND POUND!

Edwards bomb was from the shotgun. I think the biggest issue with the passing game yesterday was Holmes and Sanchez were on a different page on multiple routes. If there is any critique that I see with the running game it is that after we picked up decent yardage on 1st down we threw too much on the following down. I'll say it again, last year during our post season run we would run 2nd and 3rd down successfully even if we needed 6 or 7 yards to move the chains and some of our biggest game changing plays came out of those runs. Once we established that, the quick slants to Cotch and Edwards came open much more frequently along with the deeper play action stuff. That said, I will not complain at 6-2 with stuff that is easily fixable.

[SenorGato]

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

It's one thing to commit to running the ball, it's another entirely to be so blatantly obvious about how and when you are going to be doing it. When your opponent knows exactly what you are going to do, the probability it is going to be successful declines significantly. At that point, Schotty was setting the Jets up for failure (yes, obviously not intentionally, I'm aware of that so don't even start with that nonsense), and if you don't believe in the predictability of his play-calling, why not see what the Packers defenders had to say about it last week.

Bottom line, the significance of the Jets overboard commitment to running it on nearly every single first down for over two and half quarter is that it lead to a grand total of 3 points.

OK...And since when was a great running game based on the timing of the runs? What were the "right times" to run the ball? Sanchez threw thirty nine times...How many more times should they have thrown? I thought you guys were all for the run, now it's different because you saw they didn't work? I thought we were supposed to be able to run all over all these poorly ranked run D's? What is it? At what point do you people have a concrete set of guidelines on how runs and passes should be called? At what point will you remain consistent with your statements? Had Sanchez thrown the ball 50 times would we not be hearing about how Schotty had him throw 50 times and it only netted this amount of points and this amount of yards?

[SenorGato]

Everybody is predictable. Everybody has tendencies. Deception is overrated. Until you get to a point where you're doing the same thing 65-70% of the time, going away from your strengths for the sake of variety is a waste of time. The whole idea of these creative running plays is sort of silly. Everybody in the NFL gets the bulk of their production on fewer than ten basic plays and the rest of it is filler and dust it off once a week (or even more infrequently) type stuff.

Best post in the thread and the bolded puts it very succinctly how I feel about this offense and probably NFL offense in general though not a ton of thought has really been spent on that.

As for this team's strengths...Right now it's pretty much running game and what else? That's what opposing teams are forcing the unit as a whole to find out, and the fact that they've done enough to overcome the run game being less of a factor for a couple of games (road games none the less) says alot about the character of this offense, if that's the kind of thing that appeals to your mind. It says alot about the guys coaching the offense and their ability to test their offense on the fly with this young QB...it says alot about the young QB, who is doing alot of these things he's doing this year for the first time in the NFL...It says alot about the versatility, resiliency, and intelligence of the guys on offense...And there's room to improve, which is the best and most exciting part in all this.

[RutgersJetFan]

We're not talking about an offense. We're talking about this offense.

Ohhhh....this offense. My bad. Isn't this the Hickory High message board? This offense. Go figure.

[MasonJet]

Right. Because the only two realistic times in which an offense has the ball are 1st & 10 and 3rd & long.

It seems that way with Schotty as OC.

[Lupz27]

If I remember it correctly we did run it pretty good, but unfortunatly when they went for 10+ there was some stupid penalty, the Wayne Hunter debacle to be exact, and 2 or 3 holding penalty cost us about 40-50 yards rushing. But I do agree if your gonna run on 1st down that many times you need to mix it up with counters tosses ect. HB dive 80% of the time is not gonna cut it.

[greeniemeanie]

What if they don't run it AND don't pass it on first down. Instead they just stand there. That would really break tendencies, unless we did too much of course.

[Jetsfan80]

Ohhhh....this offense. My bad. Isn't this the Hickory High message board? This offense. Go figure.

Don't you mean Milan High?