DJMhky92 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Let me hear the love or the hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldie Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 He was just too green IMO. He couldn't take control and name a staring QB and he overworked the team with drills w/o providing leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 No, he was incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 His biggest problem was prevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 If he's better in Cleveland, it doesn't mean he was good here. Just means he learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 If he's better in Cleveland, it doesn't mean he was good here. Just means he learned. He isn't much better. What's his record in Cleveland? 8-16? He loses twice as many games as he wins. Occasionally he pulls off a victory over a top team in this league, much like he'd get his flukey wins over the Pats and Steelers here and there when he was with the Jets. Right now he has those 2 wins over the Saints and Pats, who are both overrated this year anyways, and now he is extremely overrated. The Packers are actually a top team in this league but the media doesn't want to give them credit, and they've done more the past couple of weeks. The media hates green clad teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 No. He came in and cleaned up the wreckage that Herm left behind, then was undone by the un-benchable Favre Monster. He's got a long way to go as far as relating to players and the media, but he's a smart guy who can get a team ready to play on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 No. He came in and cleaned up the wreckage that Herm left behind, then was undone by the um-benchable Favre Monster. He's got a ling way to go as far as relating to players and the media, but he's a smart guy who can get a team ready to play on Sundays. He seems to be a good game planner. If he has the time he usually does a good job. After the bye, start the season. Sort of the opposite of Schotty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 His problem is that he's trying so hard to be just like Belichick, but that's not him. He needs to just be himself. You can just tell he's trying too hard to act like Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 R U SERIOUS? 1) He's Italian 2) he beat Belicheat 3) He's Italian 4) He swept the Dolphags 5) he appeared on the Sopranos... oh, and he's Italian... FUGITABOUTIT !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 R U SERIOUS? 1) He's Italian 2) he beat Belicheat 3) He's Italian 4) He swept the Dolphags 5) he appeared on the Sopranos... oh, and he's Italian... FUGITABOUTIT !!!! I think his life highlight is appearing in the Sopranos and that Motorola commercial. They're not bad highlights, but they did come a little early. Man what a waste of an awesome nickname. I almost hope he lives up to it just so it could make that Sopranos episode timeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 He seems to be a good game planner. If he has the time he usually does a good job. After the bye, start the season. Sort of the opposite of Schotty. I always saw his failings here as 1) Didn't like to adjust his gameplans at the half, 2) Was too hung up on bringing in Boy Scouts to build his team (Schlegel, Eric Smith, etc.) and 3) Boring, both on the field and off. The man would never sell a single PSL. I agree, though. His #1 strength was in his meticulous preparation. The Jets never seemed to come out and look straight stupid like they did under Herm way too many times. Rarely does his team beat itself, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Mangini's legit as a coach...Even as a green coach he was years ahead of first time HC guys like Herm and Rex when it comes to game day management...Dude can manipulate a game clock better than 90% of the coaches in the league even as early as 2006. I have an infinite amount of respect for the guy...He took alot of garbage here, but lets face it...He was the organizational fall guy...Honestly it's the day we hired this guy that the Jets started taking themselves seriously as a franchise again. Everything from scouting to practices changed...and most of it is still in place...It really says alot about a guy. I also think alot, alot of things would have been different if he could have hired Rob Ryan to be his DC here. He was 0-3 in that regard. Davis just never let it happen for w/e reason...I'm not even sure he liked Ryan in Oakland, since he supposedly forced him to run the 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Not a bum, just had no idea how to relate to the players. I think most of the guys respected his knowledge of the game on the team, but most did not seem to enjoy playing for him. Thats probably helped Rex alot because other than Kerry Rhodes it seems most of the holdovers have been excited to play in the current system. As a coach Mangini is usually prepared and his bye week gameplans are almost always a masterpiece. The problem is his in game approach is terrible. He goes in with a script and does not stray from it. Schottenheimer is the same way here probably because Mangini was his mentor. Our team used to get wiped out in the 2nd half of games. The same happens in Cleveland too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Not a bum, just had no idea how to relate to the players. I think most of the guys respected his knowledge of the game on the team, but most did not seem to enjoy playing for him. Thats probably helped Rex alot because other than Kerry Rhodes it seems most of the holdovers have been excited to play in the current system. Def agree with this...Revis said it right after he got fired...IIRC he said that there were some ideas that Mangini just could not get across, no matter how much he tried to explain. It really would have helped him to have a real DC here, instead of a position coach 20+ years his senior without a ton of 3-4 experience (from what I understand at least). A big part of his problem was that he just wasn't all that well connected before he took the job, and he went and severed his best and strongest tie...He dicked his boss and mentor, and you always kinda got the impression that that didn't sit well around the league. I doubt anyone in the league but Woody thought he was an NFL ready HC, and the fact that he jumped right out was blessing (hey, he CAN do it!) and a curse (so do it bigger and better yesterday, bitch). As a coach Mangini is usually prepared and his bye week gameplans are almost always a masterpiece. The problem is his in game approach is terrible. He goes in with a script and does not stray from it. Schottenheimer is the same way here probably because Mangini was his mentor. Our team used to get wiped out in the 2nd half of games. The same happens in Cleveland too. I hear this alot and each time I buy it less...Anyone consider that the talent level of the '06 and '07 teams were near the bottom of the league and teams would just start overpowering us or just not fall for the tricks and force the issue on the players to beat them straight up? Or that in the '08 season the gameplans in the first half always seemed to work to where we had the lead at halftime...and the onus to adjust was placed on the opponent? Seems like this gets said alot, but I'm not sure how true it is. Mangini doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who sits back counting his blessings or laurels or w/e word you wanna use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 All I remember about Mangini was our complete inability to get off the field on third down. He was obssessed with bad players too. Would rather lose with character guys than win with some eccentric guys. Look at the guys he brought into Cleveland. There's hardly any skill position talent on that roster. Hillis just happens to be white and a freak athlete. Mangini cant pick those types of guys off of trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 All I remember about Mangini was our complete inability to get off the field on third down. He was obssessed with bad players too. Would rather lose with character guys than win with some eccentric guys. Look at the guys he brought into Cleveland. There's hardly any skill position talent on that roster. Hillis just happens to be white and a freak athlete. Mangini cant pick those types of guys off of trees. The Jets have been building for 5+ years now and only this year are they considered to be loaded with skill players. They're the skill positions for a reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 The Jets have been building for 5+ years now and only this year are they considered to be loaded with skill players. They're the skill positions for a reason... Most skill position players have a different attitude that Mangini cant relate to. He dumped Braylon, has a white running back...no names at WR. Mangini likes the safe players. Safe players don't win you a lot of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Most skill position players have a different attitude that Mangini cant relate to. He dumped Braylon, has a white running back...no names at WR. Mangini likes the safe players. Safe players don't win you a lot of games. Braylon was never going to last in Cleveland...Have you heard how he talks about that town? Or read some of the stuff they said about him loooooong before Mangini got there? They've hated Braylon ever since he failed to dominate as a rookie. Safe didn't exactly hurt when we were getting D'Brick and Mangold...Safe got thrown out the door when they traded picks to get the fast rising CB from Pittsburgh and the Michigan LB coming off a torn ACL....Safe got thrown out the door when they gave 42 million to Calvin Pace...Safe was fine when they were trading a dominant but oft injured pass rusher for a first round pick that became an All Pro C...Fact is, most of Cleveland's good players are guys Mangini brought in, just as it is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Far from it. Kotite was a complete bum. Mangini was trying to be Belicheat minus the hardware. You are seeing the same thing wiht McDaniels in Denver. Mangini for his credit took over a trainwreck got them to the playoffs the following year and put together the core of this team (Revis, Mangold, D-Brick, Harris). Just seems to me that somewhere along the way he lost the team. It may have been as early as 2007 with the whole Pete Kendall fiasco or it may have been as late as that Seattle game in 08 which I think pretty much sealed his fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 He pisses off Belichick. I've always liked that about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Far from it. Kotite was a complete bum. Mangini was trying to be Belicheat minus the hardware. You are seeing the same thing wiht McDaniels in Denver. Mangini for his credit took over a trainwreck got them to the playoffs the following year and put together the core of this team (Revis, Mangold, D-Brick, Harris). Just seems to me that somewhere along the way he lost the team. It may have been as early as 2007 with the whole Pete Kendall fiasco or it may have been as late as that Seattle game in 08 which I think pretty much sealed his fate. I think he lost them toward the end of 08 when he refused to bench Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 As a head coach Manginis biggest Liabilities were Brian Shottenheimer and Bob Sutton . I dont think there is any Doubt Mangini had his players prepared mentally for each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 he admitted he had taken pages out of others guys books to get where he was, but would have to make his own book to go any further gotta give him credit for that he is a totally different guy now, and not to be taken lightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Eric Mangini On The FAN Mike's decent at interviews IMO, it's a good one. I like how they exposed favre for the lying sack he is. That clown is just full of lies and excuses, he makes me sick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Eric Mangini On The FAN Mike's decent at interviews IMO, it's a good one. I like how they exposed favre for the lying sack he is. That clown is just full of lies and excuses, he makes me sick! I hate Francessa's intro so much. It oozes douche, even if that makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I hate Francessa's intro so much. It oozes douche, even if that makes no sense. There's allot of things douche about Francessa, but I do think he's good at interviews. He had Johnny Bench on the other day, it was good too. Johnny Bench On The FAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 If the game was only 3 quarters Mangini would have been a Hall of Fame coach. His problem was the prevent defense in the 4th quarter! That requires a pair. If has grown some then he can be a good coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I hate Francessa's intro so much. It oozes douche, even if that makes no sense. I cannot believe it. Maybe its the alcohol talking. But i have to agree with you. And rep you as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 There's allot of things douche about Francessa, but I do think he's good at interviews. He had Johnny Bench on the other day, it was good too. Johnny Bench On The FAN Yeah that's pretty much the only reason I listen to him. I wanted to hear this, but missed it live. Good interview. Has Mike ever interviewed Josh McDaniels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Yeah that's pretty much the only reason I listen to him. I wanted to hear this, but missed it live. Good interview. Has Mike ever interviewed Josh McDaniels? I'm not sure, he might of had him on before we played them though. He's been doing that this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMhky92 Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 Shameless plug: http://thejetfuelblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/re-visiting-mangini-era.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I'm not sure, he might of had him on before we played them though. He's been doing that this year. didn't the Jets boycott his show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 didn't the Jets boycott his show? I don't know about that, but no one from the Jets is on his show anymore. He's been interviewing our opponents head coaches lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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