wildcat with brad smith

[ylekram]

we all know smith was a qb in college.threw for many yards.so far all he does is run or toss the ball off.could the playoffs have him throwing long?could the jets be holding the best(smith)for last?i dont know.discuss

[Bugg]

we all know smith was a qb in college.threw for many yards.so far all he does is run or toss the ball off.could the playoffs have him throwing long?could the jets be holding the best(smith)for last?i dont know.discuss

He did have a TD pass early in the year. But right now the formation fools nobody.Seems like a waste because he is not throwing the ball. Woudl rather have Sanchez there if it's apass or take the snap on a running play to put some doubt in the defense.

[Guest Jpf4671]

He did have a TD pass early in the year. But right now the formation fools nobody.Seems like a waste because he is not throwing the ball. Woudl rather have Sanchez there if it's apass or take the snap on a running play to put some doubt in the defense.

Agree, say goodbye to the wildcat soon, the teams with the big time QB's don't use it. Smith is such a unique talent we should get him involved though, screens, end arounds, etc.

[Integrity28]

Wildcat formation, or whatever the hell we call it now, is good for a 15:1 ratio of inevitable 3rd and 10's to 5 yard runs. Just not worth it in my opinion... we'd be more successful just getting Brad Smith the ball in space via screen pass if the object is just that.

[visajets]

The Brad-Cat is so predictable. Schotte think of something else dammit!

[stoicsentry]

The Brad-Cat is so predictable. Schotte think of something else dammit!

Who cares if it's predictable when it's working? And it is, in fact, working. Quite well.

[Larz]

shelf it until his knee is better

let someone else return KO's as well

I love me some brad smith, but until he's healthy, free sanchise !!!

[stoicsentry]

shelf it until his knee is better

let someone else return KO's as well

I love me some brad smith, but until he's healthy, free sanchise !!!

Since when is Brad Smith hurt?

[Larz]

Since when is Brad Smith hurt?

going on two weeks now I think

it's really obvious when he returns KO's

[SenorGato]

He did have a TD pass early in the year. But right now the formation fools nobody.Seems like a waste because he is not throwing the ball. Woudl rather have Sanchez there if it's apass or take the snap on a running play to put some doubt in the defense.

Yet they gain 5+ yards a pop from it and it's one of the more "high percentage" yard gainers in the offense right now.

I hate it too, but if it works...Also, teams know they can and will pass it at some point if they need to.

[MasonJet]

Haven't seen too much of a reason to stop using the wildcat. It rarely goes for a real big play but we usually get a solid gain of 4-6 yards on a 1st or 2nd down, and I'll take that.

[aec4]

Who cares if it's predictable when it's working? And it is, in fact, working. Quite well.

Agreed. Check out the avg per play. 2 big runs came back due to penalty in the last 2 games.

As Sanchez continues to improve we will run it less.

We are a balanced team. This is part of it. The deep ball is coming. Just wait for a big spot. It's a once or twice a season play.

[Sperm Edwards]

Agreed. Check out the avg per play. 2 big runs came back due to penalty in the last 2 games.

As Sanchez continues to improve we will run it less.

We are a balanced team. This is part of it. The deep ball is coming. Just wait for a big spot. It's a once or twice a season play.

True, but they were big runs because of the penalties. Edwards isn't exactly subtle with his holding.

[Bugg]

Yet they gain 5+ yards a pop from it and it's one of the more "high percentage" yard gainers in the offense right now.

I hate it too, but if it works...Also, teams know they can and will pass it at some point if they need to.

In the Texans' game Smith is credited with one carry for the grand total of 1 yard. I don't have a breakdown of what the carries and yards were when he flipped it to a back, but I'd still rather have the real QB make that handoff if only to have defenses consider thta you might actaully pass. And at some point Schitty is going to get silly and throw a pass to Sanchez, which is also stupid. And that is the other problem if you keep Sanchez in the game(and they have run it with Sanchez split and out of the game); he's more likely to get hurt blocking when he's split wide.

[PatsFanTX]

The Brad-Cat is so predictable.

As is Wreck's zone blitz.

Neither fool anyone.

[Jbro22]

Sanchez hates it.

Its getting us some good yards so I'll take it.

[JiF]

I dont mind it. Brad Smith makes plays when the ball is in his hand.

Our run game has been poo lately anyway...why not try to shake it up and see if we can bust one off.

[slats]

And at some point Schitty is going to get silly and throw a pass to Sanchez, which is also stupid. And that is the other problem if you keep Sanchez in the game(and they have run it with Sanchez split and out of the game); he's more likely to get hurt blocking when he's split wide.

Hate the formation if you want, but don't hate it on some future imaginary projections!

One of the things that's so predictable about the play is that it operates to the opposite side of the field from wherever Sanchez is lined up, and then he takes a step backwards and assumes a defensive position. There's always someone on him. I doubt they look to throw it to him, or ask him to block, anytime soon.

I understand the frustration with the play, but Brad Smith is averaging 6.7 ypc, so it's obviously working. I'd like to see him lined up as a tailback and take a pitch or a screen pass, too, but they like their option play. It may not fool anyone, but it steamrolls for positive yards virtually every time it's called.

I do think as Sanchez continues to develop we'll see it less and less. It's a good call when the offense is struggling. When Sanchez is in a groove, though, it's stupid to take him out from under center.

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

I dont mind it. Brad Smith makes plays when the ball is in his hand.

Our run game has been poo lately anyway...why not try to shake it up and see if we can bust one off.

When we the playoffs come, we need our running game to actually work. They gotta find a way to get it back on track soon.

[Scott Dierking]

Hate the formation if you want, but don't hate it on some future imaginary projections!

One of the things that's so predictable about the play is that it operates to the opposite side of the field from wherever Sanchez is lined up, and then he takes a step backwards and assumes a defensive position. There's always someone on him. I doubt they look to throw it to him, or ask him to block, anytime soon.

I understand the frustration with the play, but Brad Smith is averaging 6.7 ypc, so it's obviously working. I'd like to see him lined up as a tailback and take a pitch or a screen pass, too, but they like their option play. It may not fool anyone, but it steamrolls for positive yards virtually every time it's called.

I do think as Sanchez continues to develop we'll see it less and less. It's a good call when the offense is struggling. When Sanchez is in a groove, though, it's stupid to take him out from under center.

The reason they run the wildcat is exactly to negate the premise of what you are talking about-having the QB in the backfield.

The wildcat creates even blocking schemes for the offense, by taking the qb out of the equation in the backfield.

[slats]

The reason they run the wildcat is exactly to negate the premise of what you are talking about-having the QB in the backfield.

The wildcat creates even blocking schemes for the offense, by taking the qb out of the equation in the backfield.

Oh yeah?

I'd still like to see Smith lined up in the backfield for pitches and/or screens. As Sanchez becomes more efficient, the Jets should be taking the ball out of his hands less - but still be finding ways to get it into Smith's. And not just on the end around.

[JiF]

When we the playoffs come, we need our running game to actually work. They gotta find a way to get it back on track soon.

Yeah but it was in the playoffs when it was deadly. The big run on the Bengals and the pass to Keller.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Oh yeah?

I'd still like to see Smith lined up in the backfield for pitches and/or screens. As Sanchez becomes more efficient, the Jets should be taking the ball out of his hands less - but still be finding ways to get it into Smith's. And not just on the end around.

I would like to see that as well. It's great that they are taking advantage of Smith's ability to read the option, but he's a talented runner. I'd like to see him get more touches on a designed screen or pitches as well.

[Scott Dierking]

I would like to see that as well. It's great that they are taking advantage of Smith's ability to read the option, but he's a talented runner. I'd like to see him get more touches on a designed screen or pitches as well.

This team seems to have little ability to run the screen well.

The blockers free their man way to early and the timing of the downfield blocks is horrible.

It is a shame, becaus Tomlinson is a deadly screen runner, but this team is just uncoordinated on the play. Blame coaching and execution.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

This team seems to have little ability to run the screen well.

The blockers free their man way to early and the timing of the downfield blocks is horrible.

It is a shame, becaus Tomlinson is a deadly screen runner, but this team is just uncoordinated on the play. Blame coaching and execution.

Can't disagree with that. Seems like both Mark and the Linemen have trouble with it. Shame though, because like you said, LT works best in space.

[Irish Jet]

I have no problem with the formation, it's the timing. I swear it's like he reserves it for when the QB is finding some rhythm.

[JonEJet]

Who cares if it's predictable when it's working? And it is, in fact, working. Quite well.

No sh1t, it works damn well....If not for a Braylon clip, Brad has a 30 yard gain

I love our version of the wildcat

[Sperm Edwards]

Hate the formation if you want, but don't hate it on some future imaginary projections!

One of the things that's so predictable about the play is that it operates to the opposite side of the field from wherever Sanchez is lined up, and then he takes a step backwards and assumes a defensive position. There's always someone on him. I doubt they look to throw it to him, or ask him to block, anytime soon.

I understand the frustration with the play, but Brad Smith is averaging 6.7 ypc, so it's obviously working. I'd like to see him lined up as a tailback and take a pitch or a screen pass, too, but they like their option play. It may not fool anyone, but it steamrolls for positive yards virtually every time it's called.

I do think as Sanchez continues to develop we'll see it less and less. It's a good call when the offense is struggling. When Sanchez is in a groove, though, it's stupid to take him out from under center.

Two holding penalties were "necessary" to prevent lost yardage. Now those don't show up in official rushing stats as "net rushing yards" the same way sacks affect "net passing yards," but meanwhile we still lost yardage because of them. Just on the two I'm thinking of drops 6.7 down to 5.4. Still good, and still better than anyone else on the team, but when Smith keeps it the average next play is not 6.7 yards farther downfield than we started.

[Scott Dierking]

Two holding penalties were "necessary" to prevent lost yardage. Now those don't show up in official rushing stats as "net rushing yards" the same way sacks affect "net passing yards," but meanwhile we still lost yardage because of them. Just on the two I'm thinking of drops 6.7 down to 5.4. Still good, and still better than anyone else on the team, but when Smith keeps it the average next play is not 6.7 yards farther downfield than we started.

Sometimes offensive lineman hold on passing plays, so they do not give up a sack. Those yards not not affect "net passing yards"

Nor would I say that because passing plays generate holding calls sometime, we should eliminate passing from the repertoire.

[Sperm Edwards]

Sometimes offensive lineman hold on passing plays, so they do not give up a sack. Those yards not not affect "net passing yards"

Nor would I say that because passing plays generate holding calls sometime, we should eliminate passing from the repertoire.

Didn't say that. Only that while that is the official statistic, clearly on an average play like that the average net gain is less than 6.7 yards.

True regarding holds on passing plays as well. But then most teams pass the ball 500-600x so the average impact in terms of net yards per play shouldn't be as dramatic.

[slats]

Two holding penalties were "necessary" to prevent lost yardage. Now those don't show up in official rushing stats as "net rushing yards" the same way sacks affect "net passing yards," but meanwhile we still lost yardage because of them. Just on the two I'm thinking of drops 6.7 down to 5.4. Still good, and still better than anyone else on the team, but when Smith keeps it the average next play is not 6.7 yards farther downfield than we started.

The Jets only commit penalties in the option?

[Sperm Edwards]

The Jets only commit penalties in the option?

Not at all. But the stat itself is a little skewed because holding penalties - particularly ones that would have resulted in net yardage losses - are erased by the penalty. We are more likely to realize a net gain of 5.4 yards than 6.7 yards.

Yes, this would apply to anyone on any type of play where we're flagged for holding.

But given the low number of attempts (compared to drop-back passes and "regular" RB runs) it is more statistically significant with our wildcats than other "regular" types of running plays up the gut or to the outside.

[Scott Dierking]

Didn't say that. Only that while that is the official statistic, clearly on an average play like that the average net gain is less than 6.7 yards.

True regarding holds on passing plays as well. But then most teams pass the ball 500-600x so the average impact in terms of net yards per play shouldn't be as dramatic.

Do you have the percentage of penalties called from the seminole formation vs the other formations?

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

Yeah but it was in the playoffs when it was deadly. The big run on the Bengals and the pass to Keller.

Agreed, but we showed more success when running at this time last year also. It's just a little concerning seeing it not taking off as well with a rejuvenated Tomlinson.

[SenorGato]

In the Texans' game Smith is credited with one carry for the grand total of 1 yard. I don't have a breakdown of what the carries and yards were when he flipped it to a back, but I'd still rather have the real QB make that handoff if only to have defenses consider thta you might actaully pass. And at some point Schitty is going to get silly and throw a pass to Sanchez, which is also stupid. And that is the other problem if you keep Sanchez in the game(and they have run it with Sanchez split and out of the game); he's more likely to get hurt blocking when he's split wide.

These are all from the world of ifs and maybes...Sanchez and anyone else can get hurt at any time. There's close to 0 chance there's a pass thrown to Sanchez in the next 10 years IMO. What if Sanchez gets hurt? What if they pass the ball t him? What if it kills the rhythm that may or may not be there? What if Smith trips on a run and he runs into Sanchez and they both get hurt? What if Smith were to get hit on a rare pass and hurts himself there? There's a million what ifs...For now the fact is that the plays work...Even if it doesn't really show in the last game's stat line.