stoicsentry Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Hey guys here's a thought, maybe our defense would look better if we did what we are supposed to do on offense which is RUN THE DAMN FOOTBALL. Now you have your backyard passing offense you wanted and you want to complain about the defense? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share Posted November 24, 2010 Hey guys here's a thought, maybe our defense would look better if we did what we are supposed to do on offense which is RUN THE DAMN FOOTBALL. Now you have your backyard passing offense you wanted and you want to complain about the defense? Give me a break. It's 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 It's 2010. So to heck with elite defense, I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 that's two weeks running they've talked better than they played do the bengals have a good TE ? let me go check, brb........ uh oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 It's 2010. So? It's not the AFL yet. We have the personnel to run the ball as well as throw it. As much as you want to fap to Josh McDaniels, it's still a good thing to be able to run the ball. Especially in December in the Northeast. Qb play trumps all but being able to run+pass>just passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Couldn't disagree more on Taylor. The guy may not be as good as he once was, but he's easily the best pass-rusher on the Jets right now. If it's not for the fact that he's Jason Taylor, we'd all be happy to have him here. It's not like he's cost the Jets a ton of money or any other particularly exciting player. The Jets need a better pass-rusher than him for sure, but he's the best they've got right now. he sacked Brady to help win that game, now if he could do it again to Brady next week to help seal it, i'd be happy with him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 13th? So about average in sacks. Probably the lowest among playoff contenders too. Thanks bit Maybe you should check the stats. The teams behind us include Baltimore and New Orleans (tied at 21st) and Atlanta and New England (tied at 24th). OMG! How will we win if we can't get sacks! The Jets have the most sacks of the 8-2 teams and more sacks than most of the 7-3 teams. How do they do it?!?!??!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 Maybe you should check the stats. The teams behind us include Baltimore and New Orleans (tied at 21st) and Atlanta and New England (tied at 24th). OMG! How will we win if we can't get sacks! The Jets have the most sacks of the 8-2 teams and more sacks than most of the 7-3 teams. How do they do it?!?!??!?! Not to mention that last year we were 18th in sacks...with 32...at least thats what I'm seeing here: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=SACKS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Sacks have to be the most overrated stat in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Sacks have to be the most overrated stat in football. But they sure do throw a wet blanket on a chain moving drive, dont they? I think once Lowery comes back from injury he will help a bunch in our secondary rotation. And he was in on a bunch of QB pressures/hits from the safety blitz, which E Smith seems too slow to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Sacks have to be the most overrated stat in football. Mangini's teams used to do well in the sack department. Ryan goes for pressure and the QB knows he has to move and get rid of the ball quick. Mangini used to bring surprise pressure and get the occasional big play - strip sack, etc. Teams are picking up the Jets blitz better, but they are still throwing the ball quickly. I think the biggest problem has been penalties, but that was early on. They have tried to monkey with the coverages to deal with quick hits to TEs and backs and it is taking time. I'm honestly not that worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Maybe you should check the stats. The teams behind us include Baltimore and New Orleans (tied at 21st) and Atlanta and New England (tied at 24th). OMG! How will we win if we can't get sacks! The Jets have the most sacks of the 8-2 teams and more sacks than most of the 7-3 teams. How do they do it?!?!??!?! Barton just got owned. Sacks is a good stat, doesnt tell whole story about pass rush though. Jets dont get to the QB unless they send 5+ guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 First off, I love how disappointed in their overall play this team is at 8-2...its awesome. Bart Scott was so heated he couldnt even speak to the media? Will say, I'd be pissed too if I was Bart, he barely saw the field during the 4th since they kept playing a dime. Either way, its refreshing to know they are not satisfied. Its a combination of a couple different things. Last year, the Jets werent a sack heavy team. They were a pressure team who caused the Qb to make quick decisions and get the ball out early. Thats why Revis had such a great year and the Jets had the best pass D in the league with Lito Shepard, Donald Strickland and Dwight Lowery. They do that to an extent this year as well, but teams are recognizing the packages more frequently and the Jets dont have a proper pass rusher to get after the QB on his own. Coverage has been fine for the most part when we have corners on receivers with or without Revis, its where we send pressure and not having adequate players to allow us to do so. The Jets blitz ILB's and CB's a lot and forces our safeties to cover, and they cant. They are having a hard time covering the receivers who roam the middle of the field. Its an area where we do miss a Kerry Rhodes type skill set. However, if we had a true pass rusher, it would cover up a lot of those flaws. I also think it would help to have an extra ILB who is smaller, quicker and could cover better than Harris and Scott if you want to continue to blitz one of them. JIF I agree with teh first and second paragraph but when It comes to pass rushers your talking about something a little different when it comes to our defense. QB's have to get rid of the ball so quick aganist us that if we had a good passrusher its almost as if we would nullify his skills. With man coverage in the secondary and a high percentage of blitzers the QB has no choice and he has less to read in the secondary, he throws the ball and lets his recievers make a play. If you look at teams with high sack totals you have to ask yourself do they really apply more pressure than we do ? Alot of them send 4 or 5 guys and drop alot into coverage causing the QB to hold the ball a bit longer, alot could even be coverage sacks. Im not convinced with our defensive philosophy if a passrusher is what makes us better since I feel we would probably make him worse (at sacking the QB that is). Its very rare that a passrusher has a free burst on a QB, very rare. I think is we played with a 4 man front of Ellis, Devito, Pouha, and Taylor and sent one LB on passing downs either thomas or pace you would probably see sacks but not as much pressure I also think you would see more confusion for the QB with 6 men in coverage, therefore more coverage sacks. If you remember last year Schab was dropping back and trying to read the defense as normal and the Texans never adjusted to that nearly getting Schab killed this year he dropped back and got rid of the football and was not touched, it was a simple adjustment and unfortunately alot of teams are making that adjustment. I think its time the Jets defense starts making a few Adjustments of their own. Also I agree with our Safety issues I would much rather have a top notch safety for our scheme than a top notch passrusher. Ill bet thats what we go after next year. This is why Rex is so big on our secondary play because I think he feels he can dial up pressure no matter who is playing on our front 7 the key to his defenses are the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I mentioned in another thread that I think Revis would make an insanely good saftey because he has all the tools. The niners did it with Ronnie Lott and With Revis nose for the ball,Tackling ability, Blazing speed, and study habits I feel he would be perfect roaming center field. Think about what kind of pressure that would put on a QB. With our pressure package a CB really only has to cover within a 15 yard window, if they are agressive with the receiver they can nullify him just like Revis does with most of the top WR's in the league. Usually the top WR for alot of teams is the first read for a QB if he sees him getting bumped at the line and beat up within the 5 yard allowance he has to progress to his next read thats a big reason why Revis is so successfull. At times I wonder if his talent is somewhat wasted and would be better utilized at safety, just a thought. Now who would fill in for Revis as CB ? someone who would get in the WR's face and cause the QB to progress to his next read ? I think Lowery would be good for that situation because of his lack of top end speed. Put him on the best WR's leave Cromartie to do his thing on the other side and line up Revis at safety. If Lowery does a good job in the bump and run (which he is capable because he can hit and can be agressive) I think this would solidify our coverage in the middle of the field with Revis roaming. The reason you put Lowery on the top WR is because by the time the QB gets to the guy Cromartie is covering Cro has the speed to keep up Lowery does not. With our Pass rush the QB does not have the time to go back and thats why you see so many inaccurate deep balls thrown aganist us. I think Revis can be an Ed Reed type player and when it comes to confusing an offense I think this would be a fun thing to watch Imagine a QB at the line of scrimmage looking at Revis in the middle. New rule: You can't hate on Schottenheimer and then come up with ideas like this. This is classic overthinking. This is having the best receiving RB in the sport, and throwing to Shonn Greene. When Revis is in his mid-30's looking to extend his career, they can move him to safety. For now, the best CB in football is better suited -and best utilized- playing CB. Lowery should be getting time at safety. Maybe Wilson, too, although he's been playing some pretty good CB the past couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 JIF I agree with teh first and second paragraph but when It comes to pass rushers your talking about something a little different when it comes to our defense. QB's have to get rid of the ball so quick aganist us that if we had a good passrusher its almost as if we would nullify his skills. With man coverage in the secondary and a high percentage of blitzers the QB has no choice and he has less to read in the secondary, he throws the ball and lets his recievers make a play. If you look at teams with high sack totals you have to ask yourself do they really apply more pressure than we do ? Alot of them send 4 or 5 guys and drop alot into coverage causing the QB to hold the ball a bit longer, alot could even be coverage sacks. Im not convinced with our defensive philosophy if a passrusher is what makes us better since I feel we would probably make him worse (at sacking the QB that is). Its very rare that a passrusher has a free burst on a QB, very rare. I think is we played with a 4 man front of Ellis, Devito, Pouha, and Taylor and sent one LB on passing downs either thomas or pace you would probably see sacks but not as much pressure I also think you would see more confusion for the QB with 6 men in coverage, therefore more coverage sacks. If you remember last year Schab was dropping back and trying to read the defense as normal and the Texans never adjusted to that nearly getting Schab killed this year he dropped back and got rid of the football and was not touched, it was a simple adjustment and unfortunately alot of teams are making that adjustment. I think its time the Jets defense starts making a few Adjustments of their own. Also I agree with our Safety issues I would much rather have a top notch safety for our scheme than a top notch passrusher. Ill bet thats what we go after next year. This is why Rex is so big on our secondary play because I think he feels he can dial up pressure no matter who is playing on our front 7 the key to his defenses are the secondary. Really good post...Agreed that a big time safety would do alot more for this D than a big time pass rusher...This D is all about forcing the pass so that a big, athletic secondary can make plays on badly thrown balls. If we make any changes to the front 7 it's going to be on the DL. It's not because they're playing poorly, it's just the area of the front 7 that's most open to getting younger, bigger, faster, and stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Hi, it's me again, with a reminder that only YOU can make an excellent defense into an elite one... by running the damn football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 Hi, it's me again, with a reminder that only YOU can make an excellent defense into an elite one... by running the damn football! If the defense needs a running offense to be good then they had and have no right to be thought of as a high end defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Hi, it's me again, with a reminder that only YOU can make an excellent defense into an elite one... by running the damn football! I agree. This is why I defend Schotty. I think he would love to open it up. He doesn't because he is trying to protect the D. The way he was told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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