Woodhead

[bobbyjet69]

signs a 2 yr extension with the Patsies!!

[ylekram]

signs a 2 yr extension with the Patsies!!

woodhead might have a play or 2,but scott and harris are gonna hand his a$$ to him come monday night

[Blackout]

I dislike him.

[victorjets]

Like him or not he earned a spot on the Jets roster. He is a pretty good special teams player and Westhoff loved him. A damn shame he is helping our rival.

[AFJF]

One of my biggest fears is that Woodhead makes a game changing/winning play for the Pats. I hope the Jets take advantage of their weak secondary and open up a big enough lead to prevent any dramatics.

Facing a team with a weak secondary would lead one to think we'll come out throwing the ball all over the place but somehow I doubt it.

[billo83]

Like him or not he earned a spot on the Jets roster. He is a pretty good special teams player and Westhoff loved him. A damn shame he is helping our rival.

Most of what I read said he was not good on ST and that's why he eventually lost his spot?? He certainly wasn't anything special as RB. He benefits from the Cheaters system more than anything. JAG

[New York Mick]

I dislike him.

Of course you don't, he's white.

He didn't fit on the Jets as well as he does the Pats so it makes sense we cut him and he's doing ok for the Pats but either way he's not going to do good against the Jets D.

[stoicsentry]

Of course you don't, he's white.

He didn't fit on the Jets as well as he does the Pats so it makes sense we cut him and he's doing ok for the Pats but either way he's not going to do good against the Jets D.

Quick! 10 minutes to pick a single Jets defender who can catch up with him.

No?

Didn't think so.

[Jared]

He benefits from the Cheaters system more than anything. JAG

While I agree that the Jets offense doesn't use the screens and draws that Woodhead has been so successful on to nearly the same degree that the Patriots offense does, how can you tell the difference between a Woodhead and a Darren Sproles? What makes their offensive roles significantly different such that one is a "JAG" while the other is a quality third down/passing back? (I am assuming of course that you don't believe Sproles if a JAG. If you feel the same way about all small, quick RBs, then I retract the question, because it has a clear answer)

[villain_the_foe]

signs a 2 yr extension with the Patsies!!

Good for him. Should have kept him around and cut McKnight.

[PatriotReign37]

signs a 2 yr extension with the Patsies!!

Woody was a God send after Faulk landed on IR.

Thanks Tanny!

[Bergen Jet]

Quick! 10 minutes to pick a single Jets defender who can catch up with him.

No?

Didn't think so.

Both of our starting corners run a faster 40...

[Klecko73isGod]

Like him or not he earned a spot on the Jets roster. He is a pretty good special teams player and Westhoff loved him. A damn shame he is helping our rival.

No he didn't. If he had, he'd be a Jet right now.

And what is with the revisionist history? Woodhead was not remotely good on special teams for us last year. In the last two games, McKnight has made more plays on special teams in the last two games than Woodhead did in his limited time last year and two training camps combined.

[Smashmouth]

No he didn't. If he had, he'd be a Jet right now.

And what is with the revisionist history? Woodhead was not remotely good on special teams for us last year. In the last two games, McKnight has made more plays on special teams in the last two games than Woodhead did in his limited time last year and two training camps combined.

He did earn a spot, Mcknight did not. As bad as McKnight is, add in his lack of heart and determination and you have a pile of sh*t that MIGHT "get it" someday. With Woodhead you have a player who "gets it" now and is showing he also has the talent to back it up. If hes doing well just because of the scheme and all the wonderfull mismatches the Pats create with their coaching staff then you can look directly at sh*tty for not making it happen. The 3 comeback wins for the Jets were ALL on Sanchez' back making plays in a hurry up offense. As soon as Shotty setttles down to call plays our Offense goes bye bye. One of these weeks (lets hope to god its not in the playoffs) we wont be able to come back from 3 1/2 quarters of abysmal offense to win, then we go home. With the talent we have our offense should be prolific.

[Klecko73isGod]

He did earn a spot, Mcknight did not. As bad as McKnight is, add in his lack of heart and determination and you have a pile of sh*t that MIGHT "get it" someday. With Woodhead you have a player who "gets it" now and is showing he also has the talent to back it up. If hes doing well just because of the scheme and all the wonderfull mismatches the Pats create with their coaching staff then you can look directly at sh*tty for not making it happen. The 3 comeback wins for the Jets were ALL on Sanchez' back making plays in a hurry up offense. As soon as Shotty setttles down to call plays our Offense goes bye bye. One of these weeks (lets hope to god its not in the playoffs) we wont be able to come back from 3 1/2 quarters of abysmal offense to win, then we go home. With the talent we have our offense should be prolific.

Oh I get it, so scrappiness is more valuable to you than actual talent. 'Nuff said.

[visajets]

Woodhead Mania ends Monday Night December 6 2010. He fumbles twice against the JETS D.

[T0mShane]

If you had a pass-first offense where you consistently saw nickel and dime defenses, and you had the personnel to go three and four wide a lot, then you can play Woodhead. He runs draws and screens in space. The Jets do not and cannot run that kind of offense and, as such, Woodhead would get killed here running into the line behind a fullback.

[Bergen Jet]

If you had a pass-first offense where you consistently saw nickel and dime defenses, and you had the personnel to go three and four wide a lot, then you can play Woodhead. He runs draws and screens in space. The Jets do not and cannot run that kind of offense and, as such, Woodhead would get killed here running into the line behind a fullback.

There is no need for logic in this thread.

[Klecko73isGod]

If you had a pass-first offense where you consistently saw nickel and dime defenses, and you had the personnel to go three and four wide a lot, then you can play Woodhead. He runs draws and screens in space. The Jets do not and cannot run that kind of offense and, as such, Woodhead would get killed here running into the line behind a fullback.

Thank you Tom for sharing with us the rare valid point.

[Bergen Jet]

Thank you Tom for sharing with us the rare valid point.

I am still trying to figure out who catches Woodhead on our defense. I think the answer is almost everybody but I am not entirely sure.

[Smashmouth]

Oh I get it, so scrappiness is more valuable to you than actual talent. 'Nuff said.

What actual talent would we be talking about here ?? What talent has McKnight shown you ?? The talent for being a puss and fumbling ? get real Klecko, Woodhead plays the game hard not scrappy, he breaks tackles, holds his balance well, and YES he can drive the pile with his leg strength, NONE OF WHICH McKnight has ever shown he can do.

[Smashmouth]

If you had a pass-first offense where you consistently saw nickel and dime defenses, and you had the personnel to go three and four wide a lot, then you can play Woodhead. He runs draws and screens in space. The Jets do not and cannot run that kind of offense and, as such, Woodhead would get killed here running into the line behind a fullback.

With all the Jets talent in the passing game they should easily be able to run a 3, 4 and 5 wide set but when our sets include fullbacks that cant run, and the scheme is borderline moronic, you would be correct, we cant run anything. If you look at the Pats Scheme they utilize all their skill players while we keep the same guys in the same dumb scheme constantly.

[Klecko73isGod]

What actual talent would we be talking about here ?? What talent has McKnight shown you ?? The talent for being a puss and fumbling ? get real Klecko, Woodhead plays the game hard, not scrappy he breaks tackles, holds his balance well, and YES he can drive the pile with his leg strength, NONE OF WHICH McKnight has ever shown he can do.

Not for nothing but when, exactly, has McKnight had the opportunity? When filling out roster spots teams have some tough decisions to make. One of the questions they need to ask themselves is which of these two young RBs has the bigger potential upside? No one who ever saw McKnight play at USC would ever answer "Danny Woodhead" when posed that question.

Neither one of them was ever starting for the Jets this year. The Jets had to decide which one could potential give them more down the road and they chose the more physically gifted athlete.

Not to mention that if Fred Taylor was healthy right now, Woodhead would likely not be on any NFL roster.

[Smashmouth]

Not for nothing but when, exactly, has McKnight had the opportunity? When filling out roster spots teams have some tough decisions to make. One of the questions they need to ask themselves is which of these two young RBs has the bigger potential upside? No one who ever saw McKnight play at USC would ever answer "Danny Woodhead" when posed that question.

Neither one of them was ever starting for the Jets this year. The Jets had to decide which one could potential give them more down the road and they chose the more physically gifted athlete.

Not to mention that if Fred Taylor was healthy right now, Woodhead would likely not be on any NFL roster.

And Woodhead is showing you once again that the evaluation of talent in the NFL is fucikmg ridiculous. Everyone seems so damn caught up in what a player should or could be rather than whats staring them right in the freaking face. Same reason why VerNone is still on the roster ( that and the millions we paid him). When will we start using the god damn talent we have rather than hoping it gets good someday ? Why is is belichick is always able to pull the talent out of players ? Why is it that players like Deion Branch go to other teams (seahawks) and become ordinary yet play for the Pats and become world beaters ? Its called utilizing your talent and well designed plays, something thats very scarce on alot of teams in the NFL these days.

[visajets]

Woodhead didnt fit the grand scheme of things here. Bottom line. Its not about talent or disliking the guy. Last time I checked the NYJETS were 9-2 without Woodhead.

[Klecko73isGod]

Woodhead didnt fit the grand scheme of things here. Bottom line. Its not about talent or disliking the guy. Last time I checked the NYJETS were 9-2 without Woodhead.

You mean we are winning despite not having the all-time great Danny Woodhead on our team?

How is that possible?

[Klecko73isGod]

And Woodhead is showing you once again that the evaluation of talent in the NFL is fucikmg ridiculous. Everyone seems so damn caught up in what a player should or could be rather than whats staring them right in the freaking face. Same reason why VerNone is still on the roster ( that and the millions we paid him). When will we start using the god damn talent we have rather than hoping it gets good someday ? Why is is belichick is always able to pull the talent out of players ? Why is it that players like Deion Branch go to other teams (seahawks) and become ordinary yet play for the Pats and become world beaters ? Its called utilizing your talent and well designed plays, something thats very scarce on alot of teams in the NFL these days.

Doesn't change the fact that Woodhead would not be a Patriot right now if Fred Taylor were healthy.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

You guys are ridiculous with this crap. When a 3rd RB is concerned a front office and a staff will most of the time pick the guy with higher upside. 4th rounders simply don't get cut in their 1st training camp unless it was a gross overdraft or the guy starts having legal trouble. Give it a rest. Mcknight's attitude bugged me too but i'm not going to judge if he's a bust or a wasted spot until i seem him develop and play.

[Smashmouth]

You mean we are winning despite not having the all-time great Danny Woodhead on our team?

How is that possible?

Dont turn this into sillyness Kleck. I dont think Woodhead is a great player hes just a talented player who could have been used at times to create mismatches just like the Pats are doing. Hes a part time player who happens to make some big plays. Its not as much him, as it is the coaching. If he played every down he would probably get killed. My biggest problem is not the Woodhead debate as much as it is the Shotty debate. Since Shotty has no clue how to utilize the talent this team happens to be loaded with. All that being said who would you rather be running the ball if something happened to Tomlinson ?? Would you rather see mcKnight the fumbler step in down the stretch in playoff games or Woodhead ? Ask yourself that question. Fumbles lose games, heart never does. last year Greene fixed his fumble problems after the first few weeks. he will probably do the same this year do you trust McKnight to do the same if hes needed in the playoffs ? Do you trust our depth at RB ?

[Smashmouth]

You guys are ridiculous with this crap. When a 3rd RB is concerned a front office and a staff will most of the time pick the guy with higher upside. 4th rounders simply don't get cut in their 1st training camp unless it was a gross overdraft or the guy starts having legal trouble. Give it a rest. Mcknight's attitude bugged me too but i'm not going to judge if he's a bust or a wasted spot until i seem him develop and play.

Can 4th rounders be busts ? OR are players with insane speed and percieved talent drafted in the 4th round because they are what they are ? Hes soft, not much arguement there. 1st 2nd 3rd round picks get the shot 4th round and up have to earn a spot there is a reason why McKnight has not touched the football this year, they simply dont trust him not to cough it up. Not to mention if defenders just look at him he falls to the turf .

[Jets Voice of Reason]

The thing is smash the 1st through 3rd round tier is something you perceive and not something that actually goes on. Track the amount of 4th round picks that get cut in the first training camp. It's a low percentage each year.

You and i just have a difference about how long it takes to judge a player. I have more patience with draft picks.

[slats]

You guys are ridiculous with this crap.

+1

If McKnight had gotten cut, he'd probably be on the Pats right now playing at a higher level than Danny Woodhead. Why? Because he does have more talent.

And you know the complaints around here would be, "What's with the Jets' love affair with the little white kid?" and, "How do you cut a fourth round pick and let him go to the Pats?" Instead it's, "I saw Joe McKnight for a few minutes on 'Hard Knocks,' so I know he sucks!"

Woodhead wasn't seeing the field here. When he got on the field on special teams, he was a liability. McKnight has become a playmaker on specials in just a few weeks. I can envision McKnight having a similar career to Brad Smith. A jack of all trades guy. Maybe more RB than QB, maybe more WR, though, too. Playing all the kick and punt teams. Probably never a starter, just a good all around reserve. The guy is fast, and does not look like he's afraid to hit.

People used to hate on Smith, too.

[T0mShane]

With all the Jets talent in the passing game they should easily be able to run a 3, 4 and 5 wide set but when our sets include fullbacks that cant run, and the scheme is borderline moronic, you would be correct, we cant run anything. If you look at the Pats Scheme they utilize all their skill players while we keep the same guys in the same dumb scheme constantly.

I had to look it up because I knew it wasn't awesome, but according to this nifty site (stats.NESN.com), Mark Sanchez's QB rating in a three-wide set is an abyssmal 66.7, which is good for 13th in the AFC and easily at the bottom of the NFL. Leading that pack? Rivers, Brady, Flacco, Manning. I just don't think Mark is ready to run a spread offense as yet. He's a play-action QB who doesn't seem to be a particularly cerebral QB (at least at this point).

[ECURB]

Like him or not he earned a spot on the Jets roster. He is a pretty good special teams player and Westhoff loved him. A damn shame he is helping our rival.

ST was his weakness....

[Klecko73isGod]

+1

If McKnight had gotten cut, he'd probably be on the Pats right now playing at a higher level than Danny Woodhead. Why? Because he does have more talent.

And you know the complaints around here would be, "What's with the Jets' love affair with the little white kid?" and, "How do you cut a fourth round pick and let him go to the Pats?" Instead it's, "I saw Joe McKnight for a few minutes on 'Hard Knocks,' so I know he sucks!"

Woodhead wasn't seeing the field here. When he got on the field on special teams, he was a liability. McKnight has become a playmaker on specials in just a few weeks. I can envision McKnight having a similar career to Brad Smith. A jack of all trades guy. Maybe more RB than QB, maybe more WR, though, too. Playing all the kick and punt teams. Probably never a starter, just a good all around reserve. The guy is fast, and does not look like he's afraid to hit.

People used to hate on Smith, too.

Well said. Excellent post.