Hypothetical question re: Schott / McDaniels

[LionelRichie]

At this point I'd say it's a certainty that McDaniels is out in Denver. Let's assume the Jets finish strong and Schott gets a HC job next year. Do the Jets promote Callahan to OC or should they consider McDaniels as OC and keep Callahan as assistant HC / OL coach?

[Child please]

Let's bring in a cheater and level the playing field.

[#27TheDominator]

At this point I'd say it's a certainty that McDaniels is out in Denver. Let's assume the Jets finish strong and Schott gets a HC job next year. Do the Jets promote Callahan to OC or should they consider McDaniels as OC and keep Callahan as assistant HC / OL coach?

I don't see much reason to go after McDaniels. If you are laying odds, Cavanaugh and Callahan are the frontrunners. Anybody else is a dark horse. Why go back to the "Belichick tree"? Did Tannenbaum have that good of a relationship with those guys? Do you think Rob Ryan will give somebody a push?

[RutgersJetFan]

No chance. Cavanaugh is the heir and it's been that way for a while.

[LionelRichie]

I don't see much reason to go after McDaniels. If you are laying odds, Cavanaugh and Callahan are the frontrunners. Anybody else is a dark horse. Why go back to the "Belichick tree"? Did Tannenbaum have that good of a relationship with those guys? Do you think Rob Ryan will give somebody a push?

McDaniels may be the worst personnel guy in the entire NFL. His decision making has absolutely killed Denver. That being said, Kyle Orton is throwing for 300+ yds / game with very limited talent at WR and McDaniels made a name for himself leading the NE offense.

If you are the Jets does McDaniels offer an upgrade at OC? I don't know if his philosophy jives with Rex and the G&P but while he is a terrible HC, his offenses can certainly score points.

[T0mShane]

I'll answer this after I move past the wet dream of Schottenheimer being not here.

[#27TheDominator]

McDaniels may be the worst personnel guy in the entire NFL. His decision making has absolutely killed Denver. That being said, Kyle Orton is throwing for 300+ yds / game with very limited talent at WR and McDaniels made a name for himself leading the NE offense.

If you are the Jets does McDaniels offer an upgrade at OC? I don't know if his philosophy jives with Rex and the G&P but while he is a terrible HC, his offenses can certainly score points.

The team can score more points now. His teams can't run. They are bad for defense. Maybe he's not such a bad personnel guy and Orton is not so bad. Cutler and Marshall aren't tearing up he league. Are they? I honestly haven't checked, but I don't think they have.

I'll answer this after I move past the wet dream of Schottenheimer being not here.

Step 1. They will not force Schottenheimer out to bring in McDaniels. If Schottenheimer leaves to be a HC they might consider this, but I doubt it. I'm guessing Cavangaugh.

[bitonti]

No chance. Cavanaugh is the heir and it's been that way for a while.

+1

this guy seems to be next in line. Not the OL coach or some denver castoff.

[SenorGato]

McDaniels would never take the Jets OC job. Cavanaugh is next in line to be the most hated coach on a NY football team.

McDaniels may be the worst personnel guy in the entire NFL. His decision making has absolutely killed Denver. That being said, Kyle Orton is throwing for 300+ yds / game with very limited talent at WR and McDaniels made a name for himself leading the NE offense.

What decision making? The only guy they miss right now is Hillis...

McDaniels is the best under 40 offensive mind in the league.

[LionelRichie]

McDaniels would never take the Jets OC job. Cavanaugh is next in line to be the most hated coach on a NY football team.

What decision making? The only guy they miss right now is Hillis...

Are you serious?

Hillis for Quinn

3 picks for Tebow

1st rd pick for Craphonso smith (who they traded for a bag of balls to detroit)

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

The team can score more points now. His teams can't run. They are bad for defense. Maybe he's not such a bad personnel guy and Orton is not so bad. Cutler and Marshall aren't tearing up he league. Are they? I honestly haven't checked, but I don't think they have.

Step 1. They will not force Schottenheimer out to bring in McDaniels. If Schottenheimer leaves to be a HC they might consider this, but I doubt it. I'm guessing Cavangaugh.

Just curious, how do you figure Cavangaugh over Callahan? Callahan has a bigger title in this organization which leads me to believe the FO looks up to him moreso.

[T0mShane]

+1

this guy seems to be next in line. Not the OL coach or some denver castoff.

My money is on Callahan. Isn't the guy already the running game/co-offensive coordinator? The dude has put together devastating rushing attacks at literally every job he's had. Where are you guys finding this Cavanaugh-as-heir stuff?

[RutgersJetFan]

FWIW it's worth noting that Cavanaugh was absolutely loathed by Panthers fans during his tenure as OC there. And Pitt's offense has gotten better since.

[bitonti]

My money is on Callahan. Isn't the guy already the running game/co-offensive coordinator already? The dude has put together devastating rushing attacks at literally every job he's had. Where are you guys finding this Cavanaugh-as-heir stuff?

the last time callahan was in charge of an offense he was getting pants'ed by gruden in the super bowl. or getting run out of lincoln nebraska by a pitchfork waving mob.

He's not an OC or a HC. He's a very good OL coach and that's where he should stay.

[#27TheDominator]

Just curious, how do you figure Cavangaugh over Callahan? Callahan has a bigger title in this organization which leads me to believe the FO looks up to him moreso.

Not only did I misspell his name, but you copied me! I'm guessing, but I think they brought Cavanaugh in to be OC if Schottenheimer left. I think Callahan just got the "title" to let appease any ego for being just an OL coach after how high he's been. Of course, that is pure speculation.

My money is on Callahan. Isn't the guy already the running game/co-offensive coordinator already? The dude has put together devastating rushing attacks at literally every job he's had. Where are you guys finding this Cavanaugh-as-heir stuff?

I think he is Asst Head coach, running game coordinator. Where did his devastating rushing attack go this year? I haven't seen it. EDIT: I will say that I checked the stats and the running game is still plenty solid. Some of those plays are the Brad Smith at QB and end arounds, but 4.5 for LT and 4.1 for Greene is pretty good.

[RutgersJetFan]

the last time callahan was in charge of an offense he was getting pants'ed by gruden in the super bowl. or getting run out of lincoln nebraska by a pitchfork waving mob.

He's not an OC or a HC. He's a very good OL coach and that's where he should stay.

Cav's also a Rex guy and he's closest with Sanchez. It's pretty obvious at this point IMO.

[JetsFan220]

+1

this guy seems to be next in line. Not the OL coach or some denver castoff.

Callahan definitely is more worthy for this position than Cavanaugh.

Cavanaugh had a terrible offense in Baltimore and did nothing with the Pitt Panthers even with top rated recruiting classes

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

Not only did I misspell his name, but you copied me! I'm guessing, but I think they brought Cavanaugh in to be OC if Schottenheimer left. I think Callahan just got the "title" to let appease any ego for being just an OL coach after how high he's been. Of course, that is pure speculation.

LOL. I thought you spelled it correctly so I didn't even bother looking up the spelling.

[Scott Dierking]

The first place you have to go, if we imagine Schottenheimers departure, is who gets credit for the development of Sanchez?

There is obviously development there, and the Jets need to consider how they continue that growth, rather than suffer a possible set-back.

If credit goes to Schottenheimer, then your options are open as to what you do. If the credit is in some part Cavanaugh's, then you have to consider him to be a successor.

The Jets are going to go where their quarterback takes them. They are a "win now" team, and do not have the luxury (if we want to call it that) of starting over and risking the Sanchez curve of development.

[slats]

McDaniels is the best under 40 offensive mind in the league.

How can this be, when Schottenheimer is also under 40?

My money is on Callahan. Isn't the guy already the running game/co-offensive coordinator? The dude has put together devastating rushing attacks at literally every job he's had. Where are you guys finding this Cavanaugh-as-heir stuff?

Cavanaugh came with Rex from Baltimore. I think he was the choice if Schotty chose to leave after getting passed over for the HC job. Not that I'm a fan, but I do think he's next in line.

I'd talk to Callahan to discuss his feelings on bringing in McDaniels if Schotty left, to take over Brian's job and keep Callahan's intact. I wouldn't want to see the shift to passing that Denver and NE do, but I would like to see the passing game enhanced.

[RutgersJetFan]

Cavanaugh came with Rex from Baltimore.

Cavanaugh came from Pitt. He worked with Rex in Baltimore previously.

/semantic'd

[RutgersJetFan]

Cavanaugh had a terrible offense in Baltimore and did nothing with the Pitt Panthers even with top rated recruiting classes

It really was bizarre. Pitt would have these top 5-10 recruiting classes consistently, yet couldn't even manage to compete for, let alone win the Big East. To be fair, the difference since he left isn't night and day, but they've certainly been better to a degree.

[slats]

Cavanaugh came from Pitt. He worked with Rex in Baltimore previously.

/semantic'd

Just so you know, I'm anti-semantic.

[ZachEY]

the last time callahan was in charge of an offense he was getting pants'ed by gruden in the super bowl.

The last time Tom Brady was in a Super Bowl he was getting pants'ed by the Giants.

Good news that this monday night game is going to be so easy.

[SenorGato]

The first place you have to go, if we imagine Schottenheimers departure, is who gets credit for the development of Sanchez?

There is obviously development there, and the Jets need to consider how they continue that growth, rather than suffer a possible set-back.

If credit goes to Schottenheimer, then your options are open as to what you do. If the credit is in some part Cavanaugh's, then you have to consider him to be a successor.

The Jets are going to go where their quarterback takes them. They are a "win now" team, and do not have the luxury (if we want to call it that) of starting over and risking the Sanchez curve of development.

Consider the Jets lucky if Schottenheimer leaves...no one in the organization has held Sanchez down or back more...everyone but Schotty deserves a sizable chunk of credit for the steps forward taken by Sanchez in last year's playoffs and then this year.

FWIW it's worth noting that Cavanaugh was absolutely loathed by Panthers fans during his tenure as OC there. And Pitt's offense has gotten better since.

Haven't heard many (any) bright things about Cavanaugh, but really unless you're 80 and have a fistful or rings is there such thing as a liked NFL coach? Especially on offense? Sh*t even if you are old and have rings there's always the "he hasn't won anything since BLANK" sh*t that gets thrown out...have you heard some of the things said about Shanahan nowadays?

The offense's future rests on the QB. I can't emphasize and have that ignored enough...

[madmikeisback]

No more tainted seeds from that tree.

[#27TheDominator]

I've posted this before, but Cavanaugh and the Ryans go way back. Matt was a QB for Buddy in Phillie and was on the staff with Rex and Rob under Buddy in Arizona. I know people blast him because Baltimore never seemed to have much O, but he won a super bowl as OC with Dilfer at QB. IMO Billick is a meddler and they had to ride Lewis to keep that D. They certainly didn't have any great years after they dumped him for Fassel and Fassel and Billick were supposed to be offensive geniuses.

[NJ]

I'll answer this after I move past the wet dream of Schottenheimer being not here.

After awhile TS, even an actuary could run out of reasons why anybody would continue to retain someone who has underachieved like Schottenheimer. Hopefully this will be it for the little nipper.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Just so you know, I'm anti-semantic.

This would be funnier if I didn't know about your raging hatred for Jewish people.

I kid.

[Larz]

whoever gets the job will have to love to pound the rock until it's 3 mins to go in the game THEN open it up

might actually be a hard job to fill, so I'd assume callahan is the man

[Sharrow]

My favorite part of the McDaniels spying thing is him saying he "had no inside knowledge" of the Patriots cheating; yet when he described how this instance was different, he said the Pats cheating was "practiced and coached". Yet he had no inside knowledge.

F these lying cheaters, I don't want any part of them. I'd like to think if someone on the Jets was caught doing this, I'd want them all fired. The next time I see a Bellicheat disciple on this team's coaching staff, it will be too soon.