Brad Smith Pass

[GREENBEAN]

I think the chances of Brad Smith Passing out of Wildcat are pretty good this week considering the success he had last week running out of it. IMO it might work well and it could be a big offensive play for us. How susceptible are the Pats at falling for it do ya think?

[Vudu]

I just want him to Bomb it to Braylon Or Santonio, but Belicheck probably has something for that, seeing how cerebral he is

[GREENBEAN]

I just want him to Bomb it to Braylon Or Santonio, but Belicheck probably has something for that, seeing how cerebral he is

He's also got a bunch of young guys who have one of the worst pass defenses in the league

[Steveg]

I've been thinking about this play as well....I'm picturing the end around (just like he scored on last week), then he stops and throws a beauty for a TD. Or, he lines up at QB, starts the option run, fakes the pitch to Greene, stops, and hits a wide open Sanchez in the endzone.

[Irish Jet]

If we try it against the Pats I would bet my life savings it will be intercepted.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Don't need trick play gadgetry to beat the Patriots. If we have to count on that to win then our offensive gameplanning was sh*t against a team that cannot stop the pass and is average against the run.

[Kleckineau]

If we try it against the Pats I would bet my life savings it will be intercepted.

IIRC it worked against Colts why not NE?

[Kleckineau]

Don't need trick play gadgetry to beat the Patriots. If we have to count on that to win then our offensive gameplanning was sh*t against a team that cannot stop the pass and is average against the run.

IMO it is a gadget play when a WR or RB throw a pass. If Brad takes the snap from center he is the QB and can run or throw like any other QB.

I hope they try it early. It could keep the NE defense a little more off balance.

[slats]

If we try it against the Pats I would bet my life savings it will be intercepted.

+1

The only thing the Pats are doing well on defense is forcing turnovers. No need to make that any easier for them.

Don't need trick play gadgetry to beat the Patriots. If we have to count on that to win then our offensive gameplanning was sh*t against a team that cannot stop the pass and is average against the run.

+ another 1

This is a good week for a conservative offensive gameplan. Have Sanchez take a couple shots downfield, sure, but otherwise stick to the running game and high percentage passes. The plan going in should be to have the offense help the defense out as much as possible. Control the clock, and control field position.

[GREENBEAN]

+1

The only thing the Pats are doing well on defense is forcing turnovers. No need to make that any easier for them.

+ another 1

This is a good week for a conservative offensive gameplan. Have Sanchez take a couple shots downfield, sure, but otherwise stick to the running game and high percentage passes. The plan going in should be to have the offense help the defense out as much as possible. Control the clock, and control field position.

While I agree with the game mgmnt plan to keep NE offense off the field as much as possible, A well timed punch in the face from an area they will not expect it is something that can not only give us points, but can help to demoralize the defense.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

IMO it is a gadget play when a WR or RB throw a pass. If Brad takes the snap from center he is the QB and can run or throw like any other QB.

I hope they try it early. It could keep the NE defense a little more off balance.

Semantics. Brad Smith is not an NFL QB. He's a guy that has the versatility to throw the ball. He's thrown it like what, 5 or 6 times since he's been here? I'd rather have Sanchez just run a traditional offense.

The NE defense doesn't need to be taken off balance. They hemorrhage yardage and give up points. The only thing they do well is force turnovers, something i'd rather not attempt with a Brad Smith play. I'm for it against a tough defense like Baltimore or Pittsburgh.

[Kleckineau]

This is a good week for a conservative offensive gameplan. Have Sanchez take a couple shots downfield, sure, but otherwise stick to the running game and high percentage passes. The plan going in should be to have the offense help the defense out as much as possible. Control the clock, and control field position.

Slats this sounds like a defacto endorsement for the OC if there ever was one. Why have any faith in schotts conservative play calling producing a win NE?

NYJ will need to score greater than 24 pts to have any chance plus the defense will probably have to come up with a crunch time stop near the end. This is something they havent done yet all year. Open the playbook to have a chance in Foxboro. Jets are NOT gonna win lucky like they did in Det, Cleve etc.

So yeah lets let Smith take a shot. It could be the difference maker.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

While I agree with the game mgmnt plan to keep NE offense off the field as much as possible, A well timed punch in the face from an area they will not expect it is something that can not only give us points, but can help to demoralize the defense.

What will demoralize their defense is shutting down their offense. Brady and the offense singlehandedly wins them games. The Lions at home went up on the Patriots early. Did you see their defense get demoralized then?

[GREENBEAN]

What will demoralize their defense is shutting down their offense. Brady and the offense singlehandedly wins them games. The Lions at home went up on the Patriots early. Did you see their defense get demoralized then?

I'm kinda in the middle here on whether or not the brad smith pass is a good idea or not in this game. I get excited thinking about it, but am not sure if this is the week to do it or not.

To comment on your detroit point I think the offense being led by a second string QB simply ran out of gas. Their D was never going to keep the pats from scoring points for long and their offense lacks the true leadership to go for the long haul. I don't think that would be the best example to use, but I understand your point... I think.

[JiF]

Slats this sounds like a defacto endorsement for the OC if there ever was one. Why have any faith in schotts conservative play calling producing a win NE?

NYJ will need to score greater than 24 pts to have any chance plus the defense will probably have to come up with a crunch time stop near the end. This is something they havent done yet all year. Open the playbook to have a chance in Foxboro. Jets are NOT gonna win lucky like they did in Det, Cleve etc.

So yeah lets let Smith take a shot. It could be the difference maker.

This is where I'm at...let the kid play on MNF. Showcase him for the world to see. NE's D can make him look great, just like they did 2nd half of week 2 when we opened it up on them.

This is a game where I'd spread them out. They dont have super fast LB'ers and they have terrible CB's, so slants to our main targets could get us in a rhythm early with some short routes to LT. That should open up some nice running lanes. Start to wear them out and then hit the play actions taking a couple of shots down field.

Holmes can get in back of that defense. For sure. But I wouldnt look to it early. Let the game come to Sanchez first. Now, this is all pending weather conditions, which looks like it could be cold and potential snow, which IMO favors the all weather team ground and pound NY Jets!

[serphnx]

Every team already expects the pass, it's just they can shut down the run too. If you watch the plays it's not like the defense ignores the receivers. They just know it'll probably be a run up the middle and they just wait for him to commit before coming off the receivers.

Schotty probably thinks he is saving a pass attempt for the playoffs, but it will probably be scouted. If it's a completion it'll be because it's an amazing play, not because of design or having tricked them by not passing the entire season. Generally teams don't even use an entire season's worth of tape but put far more emphasis on the last 2-3 games, since things change so much the entire year. Schotty actually thinks he is fooling people by using the same thing all year.

[SenorGato]

Don't need trick play gadgetry to beat the Patriots. If we have to count on that to win then our offensive gameplanning was sh*t against a team that cannot stop the pass and is average against the run.

While I think this is somewhat limited...if they have to do it they have to do it...agreed that the Patriots are not the team I'm expecting to see this used against...maybe the Steelers or Bears if it happens in the regular season.

[slats]

Slats this sounds like a defacto endorsement for the OC if there ever was one. Why have any faith in schotts conservative play calling producing a win NE?

NYJ will need to score greater than 24 pts to have any chance plus the defense will probably have to come up with a crunch time stop near the end. This is something they havent done yet all year. Open the playbook to have a chance in Foxboro. Jets are NOT gonna win lucky like they did in Det, Cleve etc.

So yeah lets let Smith take a shot. It could be the difference maker.

I don't hate Schottenheimer as much as most people, and the philosophy on offense comes as much (if not more) from Rex as it does from BS. Rex loves himself some ground & pound.

I'd prefer to see zero Seminole in this game, but that's probably asking too much. The Jets aren't going to fool the Pats by throwing out of that formation. They're not playing well defensively because they're physically over-matched, not because they lack preparation. If anything, they'll be expecting the Jets to throw in an effort to fool them. Belichick will have them prepared for everything. Brad can try a pump fake, that'll probably be effective, too.

I don't know if the Jets will need >24 points to win this game, but they have an offense that averages 24 points a game, and the Pats have a defense that gives up an average of 24 points a game, so I don't think the Jets will have to do anything special to get there.

The Jets do a much better job of controlling the clock than the Pats, and they should make sure they continue that trend. Like to see them hold the ball for a minimum of 35 minutes. Obviously I want to see the Jets score points, but the Jets also lead the league in punts downed inside the 20 and they'll need some of that, too.

The turnover differential could be the difference in this game, and it's one area where the Pats are better than the Jets. It would be foolish to give them extra chances at a takeaway with a gimmick play. Jets need to protect the ball, control the clock, control field position, and -yes- score.

They shouldn't sit on their hands. I want Sanchez to take shots downfield. Jets are not good in the redzone, and will need to score TD's from outside of it. But this isn't the week for unnecessary trickery. Save that for teams with worse defensive coaches.

[GreenBeans]

The most important thing that Brian Schottenheimer can do this week is allow the offense to find a rhythm. Lately he's been all over the place with personnel groups and odd formations. If it were up to me, you'd see the Jets base personnel (Lt/Green - TRich - Keller - Holmes - Edwards) 65-70% of the time and build off of that group in the first half. From the success/lack thereof, I'd figure on opening up some for the second half, but mostly I'd want to be sure to have a run/pass option on every play. I absolutely hate empty backfield on 2nd and anything at this point in the season.

[SenorGato]

Every team already expects the pass, it's just they can shut down the run too. If you watch the plays it's not like the defense ignores the receivers. They just know it'll probably be a run up the middle and they just wait for him to commit before coming off the receivers.

Schotty probably thinks he is saving a pass attempt for the playoffs, but it will probably be scouted. If it's a completion it'll be because it's an amazing play, not because of design or having tricked them by not passing the entire season. Generally teams don't even use an entire season's worth of tape but put far more emphasis on the last 2-3 games, since things change so much the entire year. Schotty actually thinks he is fooling people by using the same thing all year.

That's what it always is. There's no better play than the perfectly executed one.

Half the fun waiting for the Brad Smith pass comes from realizing that the Jets have got teams thinking about it and knowing they have it in the back pocket. Like you say, teams have been playing Smith to pass recently, and if you notice he's doing more with the ball in his hands than he has done before...patting the ball...holding the ball in only his right hand and kind of jerking his shoulder really early in a draw...or hell getting away with a draw at all with him taking the snap...the idea of the pass is key in alot of Smith runs this year.

This post made me rewatch the end around...epic blocking. Keller and Braylon especially...

[LWC611]

I don't hate Schottenheimer as much as most people, and the philosophy on offense comes as much (if not more) from Rex as it does from BS. Rex loves himself some ground & pound.

I'd prefer to see zero Seminole in this game, but that's probably asking too much. The Jets aren't going to fool the Pats by throwing out of that formation. They're not playing well defensively because they're physically over-matched, not because they lack preparation. If anything, they'll be expecting the Jets to throw in an effort to fool them. Belichick will have them prepared for everything. Brad can try a pump fake, that'll probably be effective, too.

I don't know if the Jets will need >24 points to win this game, but they have an offense that averages 24 points a game, and the Pats have a defense that gives up an average of 24 points a game, so I don't think the Jets will have to do anything special to get there.

The Jets do a much better job of controlling the clock than the Pats, and they should make sure they continue that trend. Like to see them hold the ball for a minimum of 35 minutes. Obviously I want to see the Jets score points, but the Jets also lead the league in punts downed inside the 20 and they'll need some of that, too.

The turnover differential could be the difference in this game, and it's one area where the Pats are better than the Jets. It would be foolish to give them extra chances at a takeaway with a gimmick play. Jets need to protect the ball, control the clock, control field position, and -yes- score.

They shouldn't sit on their hands. I want Sanchez to take shots downfield. Jets are not good in the redzone, and will need to score TD's from outside of it. But this isn't the week for unnecessary trickery. Save that for teams with worse defensive coaches.

Good Post. I agree with you 100%. I am glad that I am not alone in my concern about our lack of red zone success. While the Jets have found way to win inspite of this, they should work on it. They have the toughest remaing schedule in the league and can ill afford field goals when they are in a position for touchdowns. Hell given the kicking situation, field goals are not gimmies, so we need redzone TDs

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Good Post. I agree with you 100%. I am glad that I am not alone in my concern about our lack of red zone success. While the Jets have found way to win inspite of this, they should work on it. They have the toughest remaing schedule in the league and can ill afford field goals when they are in a position for touchdowns. Hell given the kicking situation, field goals are not gimmies, so we need redzone TDs

We are able to move the ball and get yardage, poor Red zone efficiency is what really kills us. As it is we're about about a top ten scoring offense. If they were converting at a higher percentage we'd be even better.

My other complaint being the offensive gameplanning in our two losses. Our defense showed up in both our losses and our offense crapped the bed in both losses.

[JiF]

The most important thing that Brian Schottenheimer can do this week is allow the offense to find a rhythm. Lately he's been all over the place with personnel groups and odd formations. If it were up to me, you'd see the Jets base personnel (Lt/Green - TRich - Keller - Holmes - Edwards) 65-70% of the time and build off of that group in the first half. From the success/lack thereof, I'd figure on opening up some for the second half, but mostly I'd want to be sure to have a run/pass option on every play. I absolutely hate empty backfield on 2nd and anything at this point in the season.

Great post and I agree 100%.

We are able to move the ball and get yardage, poor Red zone efficiency is what really kills us. As it is we're about about a top ten scoring offense. If they were converting at a higher percentage we'd be even better.

My other complaint being the offensive gameplanning in our two losses. Our defense showed up in both our losses and our offense crapped the bed in both losses.

IMO, the post above is how you alleviate the concern of the offense crapping the bed. Dont over complicate it, you can beat the Pats defense by just lining up and out manning them. Our basic offensive philosophy should be too much for the Pats D. Holmes and BE can dominate every one of the corners, Sanchez has to be licking his chops knowing what he did to them week 2 without the help of Holmes. Our Oline can beat their Dline. Keller will kill their LB'ers and safeties.

Honestly, just lining up and smacking them in the face is enough. There is no need to get cute with the Pats. There defense is awful. Hopefully someone relayed that message to Schotty Jr.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Great post and I agree 100%.

IMO, the post above is how you alleviate the concern of the offense crapping the bed. Dont over complicate it, you can beat the Pats defense by just lining up and out manning them. Our basic offensive philosophy should be too much for the Pats D. Holmes and BE can dominate every one of the corners, Sanchez has to be licking his chops knowing what he did to them week 2 without the help of Holmes. Our Oline can beat their Dline. Keller will kill their LB'ers and safeties.

Honestly, just lining up and smacking them in the face is enough. There is no need to get cute with the Pats. There defense is awful. Hopefully someone relayed that message to Schotty Jr.

Couldn't agree more. You don't need to pull out all the tricks to beat the Patriots, just play to your natural talent advantages. The reason the Patriots are winning are because they have a highly efficient offense. It's covering up the fact that they will give up 24+ points to teams each game.

The one bright side in my mind is that the best our offense has played has been against our divisional rivals. Hopefully familiarity on how to attack their defenses is part of it.

[lamont_jordan_rules]

If we try it against the Pats I would bet my life savings there will be a phantom offensive penalty called.

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[bitonti]

I've seen situations where Mark Sanchez takes a huge hit and the Jets go to seminole the next play... for that reason alone it's a good part of the offense. It's better than scraping mark off the floor, and forcing him to hand off (that everyone knows is coming).

there's also several seminole personnel groups, one where Mark isn't even on the field. again... a nice part of the offense to have available.

[SMC]

The Jets don't need gimmacks to beat the Pats.

Just line up and execute and the Jets will win. The Jets are more talented and have better units accross the board. The only thing the Pats have better on the field is Brady, and he doesn't fair too well against a Rex defense.

Just play Jet football and they'll win by double digits.

[Drums]

Schotty will have ten days to prepare for this game. That scares me. Anytime he's had more than a couple days our offense sucks.

[slats]

Schotty will have ten days to prepare for this game. That scares me. Anytime he's had more than a couple days our offense sucks.

Hopefully they spent the extra time self-scouting, rather than trying to introduce anything fancy and new. Just breaking tendency should be enough on offense.

Is Cotchery back for this game? This would be an excellent week to have the Jets' top three receivers available.

[THE ILK]

Hopefully they spent the extra time self-scouting, rather than trying to introduce anything fancy and new. Just breaking tendency should be enough on offense.

Is Cotchery back for this game? This would be an excellent week to have the Jets' top three receivers available.

Jets' Jerricho Cotchery and Damien Woody both ready to go for Monday

[tkiss24]

Remeber Sanchez making those catches in practice on hard knocks? Smith will hit a wide open sanchez down the sidelines at some point this year, very possibly this week. If you remember, that Pats did the same thing in a december game the year they won their first super bowl.

[BUM-KNEE]

I dont see any reason NOT to let Brad Smith throw the damn thing. If NEs secondary is beatable with Sanchez under center, theres no reason to think Smith cant do it. If Smith comes in as a "trick" that can do X-Y-Z when hes in there, but only attempts X-Y its kind of a wasted effort. Schotty has held off letting him throw up till now, and Im guessing he lets one rip on monday night.

Id even go one further.... Id give Smith one whole offensive drive at QB, and mix in a ton of no huddle. Give Sanchez a hotdog on the bench for a few minutes and bring in 5 wideouts. This would be an option if we are leading in the 2nd half of course, but Id like to see it happen.