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Possibly Greinke...Possibly Buerhle...possibly Brett Anderson or Cahill from Oakland...possibly Zambrano (please!...it won't even take Montero!)...possibly Billingsley...

Man does this suck for the Yankees. What a cruel development...woe is them on this day!

Call the Dodgers and see what it would take to get Ted Lily. Ya' know, the guy they should have signed instead of Kei Igawa :angry:

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Possibly Greinke...Possibly Buerhle...possibly Brett Anderson or Cahill from Oakland...possibly Zambrano (please!...it won't even take Montero!)...possibly Billingsley...

Man does this suck for the Yankees. What a cruel development...woe is them on this day!

Cahill is going to be a big time pitcher. Not sure Oakland trades him until he is due some big money. 18-8 with a 2.97 ERA last year. He would be a better steal than Lee when you consider age and dollars IMO. Also 22-9 in his minor league seasons. Would immediately be the Yanks #2 starter and likely a #1 in the near future. If I am Oakland, he is untouchable but that never seems to be the case with that franchise. Anderson is going to be a good one as well and would also be the Yanks #2. If either ever becomes available the Mets need to be in on them.

Mets and the rest of NL East are in for some hard times after this signing.

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Cahill is going to be a big time pitcher. Not sure Oakland trades him until he is due some big money. 18-8 with a 2.97 ERA last year. He would be a better steal than Lee when you consider age and dollars IMO. Also 22-9 in his minor league seasons. Would immediately be the Yanks #2 starter and likely a #1 in the near future. If I am Oakland, he is untouchable but that never seems to be the case with that franchise. Anderson is going to be a good one as well and would also be the Yanks #2. If either ever becomes available the Mets need to be in on them.

Mets and the rest of NL East are in for some hard times after this signing.

Be careful on Cahill...he did have a very good season and he's very young, but he's a little light on the K's and his control isn't great by any means...His K:BB wasn't even 2:1 last year. He's on the perfect team in the perfect park for his stuff...A's have a pretty strong infield D which he's fairly reliant on. I do think he'd work well for the Mets (huge park, NL), but not sure he'd do well in the AL East.

The real gem on that pitching staff is Anderson. High K, high groundball, good control lefty with a mid-90's fastball and a slider that Fangraphs rated as the top breaking ball in baseball back in '09.

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Be careful on Cahill...he did have a very good season and he's very young, but he's a little light on the K's and his control isn't great by any means...His K:BB wasn't even 2:1 last year. He's on the perfect team in the perfect park for his stuff...A's have a pretty strong infield D which he's fairly reliant on. I do think he'd work well for the Mets (huge park, NL), but not sure he'd do well in the AL East.

The real gem on that pitching staff is Anderson. High K, high groundball, good control lefty with a mid-90's fastball and a slider that Fangraphs rated as the top breaking ball in baseball back in '09.

Agreed. If Anderson can manage to stay healthy, he's the far better pitcher on that staffl IMO.

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You want the kid with social anxiety disorder to pitch in NY? Really?

Carl Pavano is available.

Look at his numbers in Yankee stadium and at Fenway over the last 2 years. A stage is a stage and he was the best pitcher in baseball for 1 and a 1/4 seasons until he was finally sick of losing 1-0 ball games last year and had his worse start. Give him some run support and you will see how happy he is to pitch here.

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GimmeShelter

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That's too much.

I'd give up Montero, Joba and a couple of pitching prospects.

And you would hear the phone hung up on you. Unless a situation comes up with Felix like the ones the Twins had with Johan, it will take much more than Montero, Joba and prospects. Joba is probably no longer high on everyones radar. I would think Montero, Gardner, Hughes would have to be in the deal.

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Jets Voice of Reason

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lol Felix Hernandez? You guys make me laugh with some of this stuff. He's not going anywhere unless Seattle decides to have a complete firesale. And even then, he's someone you build around not give away. But if you guys want to have some delusion that he's available/the yankees would even come close to having the best offer for him have at it.

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And you would hear the phone hung up on you. Unless a situation comes up with Felix like the ones the Twins had with Johan, it will take much more than Montero, Joba and prospects. Joba is probably no longer high on everyones radar. I would think Montero, Gardner, Hughes would have to be in the deal.

Giving up that much defeats the purpose of getting him. If Seattle had the balls to ask for all of that, Cashman should tell them to lick his nuts and hang up the phone.

The key issues are a) when is he going to be a free agent and B) does Seattle think it has a realistic chance of signing him and c) do they think they can get a better deal now or at the deadline?

You don't give up the top prospect in your system, your potential future closer, the most exciting player on your team and a future cornerstone of your rotation for anybody other than Babe Ruth.

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Giving up that much defeats the purpose of getting him. If Seattle had the balls to ask for all of that, Cashman should tell them to lick his nuts and hang up the phone.

The key issues are a) when is he going to be a free agent and B) does Seattle think it has a realistic chance of signing him and c) do they think they can get a better deal now or at the deadline?

You don't give up the top prospect in your system, your potential future closer, the most exciting player on your team and a future cornerstone of your rotation for anybody other than Babe Ruth.

Who exactly would the Yankees be giving up? If Montero is such a good prospect why they just sign Russell? Joba is now the future closer? He couldn't pitch effectively in the 8th inning but you want him in the ninth? Gardner is a solid player but replaceable. Hughes is the cornerstone of your rotation? Yikes. He's your current #2 starter by default, not choice. He's a #3 or #4 starter at best.

Felix Hernandez is the best pitcher in the majors. Any team would have to give up a ton to get him. Probably more than what the previous posters have said.

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Giving up that much defeats the purpose of getting him. If Seattle had the balls to ask for all of that, Cashman should tell them to lick his nuts and hang up the phone.

The key issues are a) when is he going to be a free agent and B) does Seattle think it has a realistic chance of signing him and c) do they think they can get a better deal now or at the deadline?

You don't give up the top prospect in your system, your potential future closer, the most exciting player on your team and a future cornerstone of your rotation for anybody other than Babe Ruth.

I'm sorry...what? The guy is a top 5 starter in the game locked up for another 3-4 years to a non-lucrative contract..and he's 24 f'ing years old.

And come on man...Brett Gardner is too big a hit? Someone's a little delusional...

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Giving up that much defeats the purpose of getting him. If Seattle had the balls to ask for all of that, Cashman should tell them to lick his nuts and hang up the phone.

The key issues are a) when is he going to be a free agent and B) does Seattle think it has a realistic chance of signing him and c) do they think they can get a better deal now or at the deadline?

You don't give up the top prospect in your system, your potential future closer, the most exciting player on your team and a future cornerstone of your rotation for anybody other than Babe Ruth.

Felix Hernandez.

1/21/2010: Signed a five-year, $78 million extension.

The deadline is some years away. Gardner is JAG.....same for Joba. Montero unproven while a top prospect. Phil Hughes would have been a .500 pitcher on almost any other team last year and blows up in the post season. Generation Tre has come and gone.

I don't think Felix is available but if he is you can bet the price is more expensive than you think. Remember Seattle wanted Montero PLUS two players for 2 months of Cliff Lee.

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Jets Voice of Reason

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I'm sorry...what? The guy is a top 5 starter in the game locked up for another 3-4 years to a non-lucrative contract..and he's 24 f'ing years old.

And come on man...Brett Gardner is too big a hit? Someone's a little delusional...

Not to mention he recently signed an extension that considering the free agent market is very team friendly. The only way the dude is traded is if at the tail end of this deal he demands to be traded or god forbid the dude gets injury prone.

The Seattle GM already had a chance to land Montero as well and passed in favor of Smoak + assorted prospects. Meaning he's not as goo-goo for Montero as the Yankees are.

Dude is not getting traded.

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SenorGato

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How about a Carlos Zambrano reclamation project? Klecko suggested this and I think it is worth investigating.

Z wouldn't be a bad idea...he came on strong in the 2nd half last year and I'm sure he wouldn't mind being reunited with Rothschild...Cubs could use the free space, we're rich enough to throw some cash into the deal, and most importantly they could use the prospects.

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Joba back 2 rotation, bet on it.

With Martin on board either Montero or Romine will be traded. Montero probably would go for a more high end starter, Romine for a lesser one.

Either way though, hard to see Joba ever being trusted again as a starter. he simply has been a better reielver when he has been effective. i don't know why, but that'shis track record. The Yanks would be best served to stop trying to jam him into a role he doesn't do wella t and get him abck to the fireballer in the 8th ininning he was when he came up.

Yanks are talking up their minor league pitchers, but they always do that.

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Pettitte may be taking a pass because the Clemens circus will open this summer-

Clemens reason for Pettitte's pause?

Yankees lefty still waffling about next season as The Rocket's perjury trial looms

By Wallace Matthews

ESPNNewYork.com

Nearly four years after he cashed his last Yankees paycheck, $18 million for a half-season's work and a 6-6 record, it is possible that Roger Clemens is still exacting a heavy price from the team.

Pettitte and Clemens used to be very close, but not anymore.

We are now barely a month away from the beginning of spring training and Andy Pettitte has still not decided whether he wants to pitch in 2011.

On Thursday, he told a New York Post reporter who showed up on his doorstep in Deer Park, Texas, the same thing he told reporters in the clubhouse in Arlington the night the Yankees were eliminated by the Texas Rangers, the same thing he has been telling the Yankees during their infrequent conversations this offseason: that he hasn't made a decision.

All season long, I believed his reason -- a desire to spend time at home with his young but growing family, a desire I can relate to with two children of my own. But now, as Pettitte continues to dither on what he really wants to do, the thought occurs that there might be another factor at work.

Clearly, it's not a matter of ability -- Pettitte's 11-2 record up to the point of his groin injury in July that robbed him of two months of the season proves he can still pitch, and probably better than anyone in the Yankees' rotation not named Carsten Charles.

And it's not a matter of money -- right now, the Yankees' payroll sits at a treacherously low $170 million and with Cliff Lee out of the picture, you know that $30 million of Boss Bucks is just burning a hole in Brian Cashman's pocket.

So either Pettitte wants to pitch, or he doesn't.

What's taking him so long to decide?

Well, maybe it is what is waiting for him in July, a hot seat on the witness stand in the upcoming federal perjury trial against Clemens. Pettitte is expected to be the government's star witness against his former teammate and buddy, and in fact, might be the only man standing between The Rocket and a jail cell.

Clemens, of course, is a slimy character. His accuser, Brian McNamee, is every bit as slimy with a background that is maybe even more shady. No matter how strong the evidence or how many dirty syringes McNamee saved in a soda can in his basement, his and Clemens' testimony will probably cancel one another out just on the sleaze factor alone.

That leaves Pettitte, and his word, as the swing vote -- and you know Clemens' attorney, Rusty Hardin, is going after Pettitte in the only areas he can in order to discredit his testimony. He is going to do his level best to crush Pettitte's reputation for honesty and sincerity and religious convictions. Simply put, he is likely to try to paint Pettitte as a lying hypocrite whose word cannot and should not be trusted.

The cross-examination could get embarrassing and highly personal.

And in a situation like that, pitching for the New York Yankees every five days and facing a ravenous media horde on a daily basis is not exactly where anyone in his or her right mind would want to be.

In that context, Pettitte's indecision becomes not only clear, but quite understandable. When Pettitte says he hasn't decided, it seems to mean that he really wants to pitch, but something is keeping him from committing himself to it.

True, there have been other offseasons in which he waited until well into January to decide -- one season, he announced his decision on Jan. 26 -- but never one in which this kind of thing was looming over his head.

Facing reporters to answer questions regarding his HGH use in a news conference in spring training was like an appearance on "The View'' compared with being grilled by a defense attorney trying to keep a client out of jail.

My guess is the fear of that is keeping Pettitte on the shelf so far this winter -- and if so, then Clemens is about to drag down his old team once again.

This, of course, is as much the Yankees' fault as it is Clemens' -- for forging an unholy alliance with a player almost universally despised in their clubhouse before he joined them, for indulging his "special desires,'' for allowing him to write his own rules. Clemens pitched well in his first stint with the Yankees, but the negative things he brought along with him negate many of his accomplishments.

He embarrassed the team by throwing a broken bat at Mike Piazza, forcing Joe Torre into the impossible position of having to defend the indefensible. He forced them to hire McNamee, who brought his own variety of shame and dishonor to the club.

Clemens, too, strung the Yankees along on what seemed like an annual Hamlet routine of to pitch or not to pitch, one year even going so far as to accept thousands of dollars worth of ''retirement gifts'' -- only to resurface the next year as a member of the Houston Astros. He neither returned the gifts nor showed an ounce of embarrassment.

But his crowning achievement came in 2007, when he played the Yankees for an $18 million contract -- more like $28 million if projected over a full season -- sat out until June, and then delivered a .forgettable 500 season. That was followed by his star turn in the Mitchell report, his shameful performance before Congress in which he introduced the word "misremembered'' to the sports lexicon, and then he slunk off, many of us thought, forever.

But now, perhaps he is rearing his ugly head again. Now, he may be one of the reasons -- not the only one, of course -- why the Yankees head into spring training with a pitching rotation that is decidedly third-best in the division. Perhaps he is the reason Pettitte is so reluctant to do what it appears he really would like to do for one more season.

As a man who has ties to both the Yankees and Pettitte told me Friday, "He's afraid of a lot of things right now. People have told him he's going to be a major distraction this year. He knows his name is going to be dragged through the mud and he knows that when you're a Yankee, there's nowhere to hide.''

Maybe Pettitte is hoping Clemens will come to his senses and cop a plea before his case ever gets to trail. Maybe he is waiting to see if U.S. district judge Reggie Walton, who has already pushed back the start date from April to July, will delay the trial further, to October or November.

Or maybe he really is wrestling with the issues he discussed all season, the struggle between wanting to continue doing what he does so well and wanting to enjoy his family while they are still around to be enjoyed.

But if that was the whole story, you would think he would have made his decision by now.

Something is keeping Andy Pettitte from issuing the final verdict on his 2011 intentions.

Perhaps it's the prospect of having to testify against Roger Clemens and stand up to what could be a public humiliation, both in the courtroom and in the clubhouse.

If that's the case, then once again The Rocket will have cost his former team a whole lot more than just money.

Wallace Matthews covers the Yankees for ESPNNewYork.com. You can follow him on Twitter.

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