Josh Freeman

[Kentucky Jet]

Losing 3 of 4 games down the stretch with 1 td pass to show for it is not impressive.

Put Freeman on this team and the guy is taking us to the SB. He's throwing to a rookie not Holmes, Edwards, Keller, Cotch, Lt playing with this ol. Please. Freeman is a stud.

and don't forget he has a rookie RB in Blount. That guy is a beast! I like freeman and I think he is as good as Sanchez. He has the better arm. I think Sanchez has a better feel for the game and is very instinctive.

[DireJet38]

I like the Jets.

The only thing black and white is losing 3 of 4 down the stretch with your QB supplying 1 TD during that collapse.

Lemme know when Freeman quarterbacks a team to the conference title game.

Jetnation will be a gay porn site by then.

[Klecko73isGod]

Lemme know when Freeman quarterbacks a team to the conference title game.

Jetnation will be a gay porn site by then.

True story: CTM joined Jetnation primarily because he thought it was a gay porn site.

[The Crusher]

Lemme know when Freeman quarterbacks a team to the conference title game.

Jetnation will be a gay porn site by then.

Sanchez was along for the ride last year. Few good play but let's not get too carried away. When Green went down against Indy we ALL knew we where dead, says something about Sanchez.

Your second comment is proof your not paying attention here.

[JustInFudge]

True story: CTM joined Jetnation primarily because he thought it was a gay porn site.

Dont act like you didnt tell him about it.

[CTM]

True story: CTM joined Jetnation primarily because he thought it was a gay porn site.

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[JustInFudge]

Sanchez was along for the ride last year. Few good play but let's not get too carried away. When Green went down against Indy we ALL knew we where dead, says something about Sanchez.

Your second comment is proof your not paying attention here.

Thank you Crushlove. Not many QB's are as fortunate as Sanchez. He has the perfect situation for a young QB.

[DireJet38]

Sanchez was along for the ride last year. Few good play but let's not get too carried away. When Green went down against Indy we ALL knew we where dead, says something about Sanchez.

Your second comment is proof your not paying attention here.

I'm not the one getting carried away.

Just pointing out that Mark Sanchez has accomplished more in his career than Josh Freeman.

[T0mShane]

I'm not the one getting carried away.

Just pointing out that Mark Sanchez has accomplished more in his career than Josh Freeman.

True, but when you're projecting their ceilings, as fans need to do with young players, Freeman has shown so many more tools than Sanchez, while working with so much less. Freeman shows signs of being a franchise player while Mark looks like a nice, if inconsistent, complementary piece.

[Blackout]

if sanchez can't win more than 10 games in his sophmore season what value does he have?

meanwhile this amazing cat in Tampa Bay has 4 wins over the NFC West. woopty woo bitches!

[DireJet38]

True, but when you're projecting their ceilings, as fans need to do with young players, Freeman has shown so many more tools than Sanchez, while working with so much less. Freeman shows signs of being a franchise player while Mark looks like a nice, if inconsistent, complementary piece.

Lemme see Freeman deal with a pinch of adversity first.

It's a lot easier to deliver when so little is expected.

I think Sanchez deserves a little more credit. Not to mention, his coaching staff seems to be completely LAWST.

If Freeman can win ONE game he has to win, I might give this notion a bit more credit. But he's yet to beat a team with a winning record and has done the majority of his damage against the NFC Worst.

[JustInFudge]

True, but when you're projecting their ceilings, as fans need to do with young players, Freeman has shown so many more tools than Sanchez, while working with so much less. Freeman shows signs of being a franchise player while Mark looks like a nice, if inconsistent, complementary piece.

This. When you have to dumb down your offense and simplify things for him because of his limitations, he's not a franchise QB. He's just a guy not losing games for you...sometimes.

I'd love to see Freeman on this team.

[T0mShane]

Lemme see Freeman deal with a pinch of adversity first.

It's a lot easier to deliver when so little is expected.

I think Sanchez deserves a little more credit. Not to mention, his coaching staff seems to be completely LAWST.

lol LAWST!

I agree with you. Every throw Sanchez makes is under the microscope while every throw Freeman makes is shrouded in anonymity. But, the Jets have gone all-in on Mark and he's shown us a lot of very scary tendencies. Grass is, indeed, always greener, but you can't help but watch highlights where the bigger, stronger Freeman stands in and fires BB's for TD's to no-names and drool while Sanchez is consistently throwing knuckleballs at the feet of Braylon and Santonio.

[DireJet38]

This. When you have to dumb down your offense and simplify things for him because of his limitations, he's not a franchise QB. He's just a guy not losing games for you...sometimes.

I'd love to see Freeman on this team.

I hope you are 100 percent wrong.

And I can't wait for Sanchez to prove it.

[Vudu]

Haters

[JustInFudge]

I hope you are 100 percent wrong.

And I can't wait for Sanchez to prove it.

Nothing would make me happier.

[DireJet38]

lol LAWST!

I agree with you. Every throw Sanchez makes is under the microscope while every throw Freeman makes is shrouded in anonymity. But, the Jets have gone all-in on Mark and he's shown us a lot of very scary tendencies. Grass is, indeed, always greener, but you can't help but watch highlights where the bigger, stronger Freeman stands in and fires BB's for TD's to no-names and drool while Sanchez is consistently throwing knuckleballs at the feet of Braylon and Santonio.

Fair enough.

I still think da kid has potential AND guts.

I'm not ready to turn my back on him yet for some guy shredding the NFC Worst in a tropical climate.

[T0mShane]

Fair enough.

I still think da kid has potential AND guts.

I'm not ready to turn my back on him yet for some guy shredding the NFC Worst in a tropical climate.

I've given Sanchez the benefit of the doubt the whole way through. I didn't want to draft him because I had no idea how good he was, or could be, because he had no track record. Now, two years later, I still have no idea how good he can or will be and that has really annoyed me about him. The one thing that you like about him is that he wins games, and you can't teach that. Jay Cutler is a million times more gifted than Sanchez, but he's never won until this year. At the very least, Sanchez competes, and doesn't sh*t his pants when the games get tighter. Still, he's far from elite and he shows you nothing that makes you think he'll ever get there.

[Klecko73isGod]

Dont act like you didnt tell him about it.

You know I did. It was your idea.

[T0mShane]

Haters

<3 u

[Klecko73isGod]

I've given Sanchez the benefit of the doubt the whole way through. I didn't want to draft him because I had no idea how good he was, or could be, because he had no track record. Now, two years later, I still have no idea how good he can or will be and that has really annoyed me about him. The one thing that you like about him is that he wins games, and you can't teach that. Jay Cutler is a million times more gifted than Sanchez, but he's never won until this year. At the very least, Sancohez competes, and doesn't sh*t his pants when the games get tighter. Still, he's far from elite and he shows you nothing that makes you think he'll ever get there.

Nothing? Really?

Getting a team to within 30 minutes from the Super Bowl as a rookie didn't show you anything?

Five fourth quarter/overtime game winning drives in his second season didn't show you anything?

How insanely high are your standards? The only people who think Sanchez realistically has shown no signs that he has the potential to be elite are people with moronically high standards or people like JiF and Aten and yourself who clearly made up their minds prior to the draft that if the Jets took Sanchez they would bitch about it until they looked stupid doing.so.

[Jetsfan80]

Nothing? Really?

Getting a team to within 30 minutes from the Super Bowl as a rookie didn't show you anything?

Five fourth quarter/overtime game winning drives in his second season didn't show you anything?

How insanely high are your standards? The only people who think Sanchez realistically has shown no signs that he has the potential to be elite are people with moronically high standards or people like JiF and Aten and yourself who clearly made up their minds prior to the draft that if the Jets took Sanchez they would bitch about it until they looked stupid doing.so.

Do you trust Sanchez can win us a title without an elite defense or running game? Because Sanchez had both last year. Elite QB's can take a team on their back. I don't think Sanchez will ever get to that level. And that's perfectly OK, because you can count on one hand the number of QB's in the last decade who have that ability.

[Jetlag]

True, but when you're projecting their ceilings, as fans need to do with young players, Freeman has shown so many more tools than Sanchez, while working with so much less. Freeman shows signs of being a franchise player while Mark looks like a nice, if inconsistent, complementary piece.

Is there anyone on the Jets you like?

[Matt39]

Nothing? Really?

Getting a team to within 30 minutes from the Super Bowl as a rookie didn't show you anything?

Five fourth quarter/overtime game winning drives in his second season didn't show you anything?

How insanely high are your standards? The only people who think Sanchez realistically has shown no signs that he has the potential to be elite are people with moronically high standards or people like JiF and Aten and yourself who clearly made up their minds prior to the draft that if the Jets took Sanchez they would bitch about it until they looked stupid doing.so.

This is actually a great point. Too many agendas. Sanchez played like complete a$$ against NE and Miami, but has bounced back nicely since then.

[Klecko73isGod]

Do you trust Sanchez can win us a title without an elite defense or running game? Because Sanchez had both last year. Elite QB's can take a team on their back. I don't think Sanchez will ever get to that level. And that's perfectly OK, because you can count on one hand the number of QB's in the last decade who have that ability.

If you' re going to get on the kid's case for not winning it all as a rookie you're only proving my point.

The only QB who won a title in the last decade without either a great running game or defense was Peyton Manning and the year he won his defense played their strongest three game stretch of his career.

All three time Cindy Brady won the Pats had an elite defense.

I don't know that Sanchez will ever achieve that level but to say he has shown no signs that he might one day is disingenuous at best.

[Jetlag]

Why are many assuming we've seen the best out of Sanchez?

[Matt39]

Why are many assuming we've seen the best out of Sanchez?

This I don't get either.

[Jetsfan80]

If you' re going to get on the kid's case for not winning it all as a rookie you're only proving my point.

The only QB who won a title in the last decade without either a great running game or defense was Peyton Manning and the year he won his defense played their strongest three game stretch of his career.

All three time Cindy Brady won the Pats had an elite defense.

I don't know that Sanchez will ever achieve that level but to say he has shown no signs that he might one day is disingenuous at best.

I'm not saying I expected Sanchez to win the title but I do think that he was in an amazing situation. And remember, he almost f***ed it up....we ended up 9-7 and almost missing the playoffs when an average QB might had had us at 12-4.

What I AM saying is that, just watching him play, I don't see his ceiling being very high. He has some physical limitations (height, lack of upper level arm strength) that will always hold him back. He has a lot of the tools you love out of a young QB. He has great footwork, an outstanding work ethic, and his pocket presence and accuracy are progressing nicely. But I'd cap him as being, at best, a QB capable of being the 7th or 8th best QB in the NFL at any given time.

[Klecko73isGod]

I'm not saying I expected Sanchez to win the title but I do think that he was in an amazing situation. And remember, he almost f***ed it up....we ended up 9-7 and almost missing the playoffs when an average QB might had had us at 12-4.

What I AM saying is that, just watching him play, I don't see his ceiling being very high. He has some physical limitations (height, lack of upper level arm strength) that will always hold him back. He has a lot of the tools you love out of a young QB. He has great footwork, an outstanding work ethic, and his pocket presence and accuracy are progressing nicely. But I'd cap him as being, at best, a QB capable of being the 7th or 8th best QB in the NFL at any given time.

He's taller than drew brees and has a slightly stronger arm.

[DireJet38]

Since when does Sanchez have a weak arm?

He just threw on the Steelers and Bears in consecutive weeks.

Oh yeah, he was also playing with a shoulder injury.

I don't get this whole "weak" arm argument. If anything, he needs to work on accuracy in short-intermediate routes. But the ball seems to be getting there plenty quick.

[The Crusher]

I'm not the one getting carried away.

Just pointing out that Mark Sanchez has accomplished more in his career than Josh Freeman.

Rookie QB's are only as good as the team they play for. David Carr hates Mark Sanchez.

[villain_the_foe]

Should have stayed put and drafted him.

Freeman >>>>> Sanchez

Josh Freeman is pretty damn good. I wouldnt campare him to Sanchez/Stafford as of yet, but if I had to I would say that he's more productive out of the three. Sanchez has had more success of the three though.

I still think that Shotty is the problem, however Sanchez does need to stop throwing those stupid INT's though. INT's are part of the game but many of his INT's shouldnt have ever been thrown. The WR's were NEVER open. Outside of that Sanchez is pretty solid.

[villain_the_foe]

Since when does Sanchez have a weak arm?

He just threw on the Steelers and Bears in consecutive weeks.

Oh yeah, he was also playing with a shoulder injury.

I don't get this whole "weak" arm argument. If anything, he needs to work on accuracy in short-intermediate routes. But the ball seems to be getting there plenty quick.

This is true. Sanchez doesnt have the strongest arm in the league, nor the most accurate but he doesnt have a weak arm in any sense of the word. I remember when Tom Brady was coming out the label on him was a "weak" arm, yet this dude can throw a 70yd bomb with pinpoint precision.

Sanchez is very young and he still hasnt developed that "NFL body" if you will. He's bigger than last year, but in about 4 years, if he continues to develop and make better decisions he'll be a top 10 NFL QB, which IMO is all we need for a championship run.

Edit: Oh, and we must get rid of Shotty.

[CoachTsurfing]

Should have stayed put and drafted him.

Freeman >>>>> Sanchez

I went to last weeks bucs game. He looks ok. He underthrew and overthrew his receivers on occasions, but the guy never gives up. Just from watching a few games of the bucs and most of the jets I'd say they look about the same. Freeman looks more athletic and he looked real good on a 4 and 1 when he went for the qb sneak. You're not stopping him. he's a big boy.

[CTM]

Since when does Sanchez have a weak arm?

He just threw on the Steelers and Bears in consecutive weeks.

Oh yeah, he was also playing with a shoulder injury.

I don't get this whole "weak" arm argument. If anything, he needs to work on accuracy in short-intermediate routes. But the ball seems to be getting there plenty quick.

If you remove that last sentance this post is bringing back major flashbacks