T0mShane Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 True, true...I hear ya Tom. But lets not act like Super Josh Freeman didnt lose to Drew Stanton, AT HOME, in a must win game. That being said, Sanchez looks like a place kicker and it does seem like only a matter of time before he's snapped in half. He is a tiny, tiny man and injury will always be a concern, especially considering how bad he seems to play from the pocket--God forbid he ever blew up a knee on one of his many freelance scrambles and lost his mobility. Still, I agree it's too early to freak out. I was just hoping he'd show more at this point. People KNEW Matt Ryan was a star QB after two years. People KNOW Bradford is a star. People are pretty sure Freeman is going to be a star. But, with Sanchez, does he look like Matt Ryan to anybody? I'm just hoping it's a case of familiarity breeding contempt, but he looks like he's going to be Jeff Garcia to me. No better, no worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Pac 10 sucks, true, but these guys Sanchez was playing with on offense at USC have amounted to didly poo in the pros. Still superior in college and especially that conference. ...or read an angered statement scribbled on a piece of paper that he just found in the locker room? Ugh. Forgot about that. Combined that with suns out guns out. Well... Is anyone tunning into NFLN right now? Did you see Warner break down Sanchez flaws. Not good. You dont trade up to the 5th overall pick to draft a QB who cant throw from the pocket or read a defense. When you have to move the pocket and limit your QB to 2 reads and a check down in order for him to succeed...thats not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 He is a tiny, tiny man and injury will always be a concern, especially considering how bad he seems to play from the pocket--God forbid he ever blew up a knee on one of his many freelance scrambles and lost his mobility. Still, I agree it's too early to freak out. I was just hoping he'd show more at this point. People KNEW Matt Ryan was a star QB after two years. People KNOW Bradford is a star. People are pretty sure Freeman is going to be a star. But, with Sanchez, does he look like Matt Ryan to anybody? I'm just hoping it's a case of familiarity breeding contempt, but he looks like he's going to be Jeff Garcia to me. No better, no worse. Garcia in his prime on this and last years Jet team would be a SB threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Is anyone tunning into NFLN right now? Did you see Warner break down Sanchez flaws. Not good. You dont trade up to the 5th overall pick to draft a QB who cant throw from the pocket or read a defense. When you have to move the pocket and limit your QB to 2 reads and a check down in order for him to succeed...thats not good. THIS has been the most frustrating thing to me. It's the mental part of the game that Sanchez doesn't seem to get, even after two full seasons. I don't know if it's poor coaching or if he just lacks the instincts required to break down a defense and read through his progressions, but he certainly doesn't seem to have a great handle on the cerebral side of the position as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Garcia in his prime on this and last years Jet team would be a SB threat. I agree. I actually thought Garcia was a hell of a QB. I had hopes that Sanchez would be Joe Montana, or even Rich Gannon at his peak, but if it turns out he was just Jeff Garcia I'd live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 He is a tiny, tiny man and injury will always be a concern, especially considering how bad he seems to play from the pocket--God forbid he ever blew up a knee on one of his many freelance scrambles and lost his mobility. Still, I agree it's too early to freak out. I was just hoping he'd show more at this point. People KNEW Matt Ryan was a star QB after two years. People KNOW Bradford is a star. People are pretty sure Freeman is going to be a star. But, with Sanchez, does he look like Matt Ryan to anybody? I'm just hoping it's a case of familiarity breeding contempt, but he looks like he's going to be Jeff Garcia to me. No better, no worse. Matt Ryan is a star? When the Falcons lose their first playoff game is he still a star? Bradford had a solid rookie year. Star? Not yet. I'd take Freeman over Ryan honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I agree. I actually thought Garcia was a hell of a QB. I had hopes that Sanchez would be Joe Montana, or even Rich Gannon at his peak, but if it turns out he was just Jeff Garcia I'd live with that. If Sanchez has years like Garcia had in San Fran...he was worth the 5th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 THIS has been the most frustrating thing to me. It's the mental part of the game that Sanchez doesn't seem to get, even after two full seasons. I don't know if it's poor coaching or if he just lacks the instincts required to break down a defense and read through his progressions, but he certainly doesn't seem to have a great handle on the cerebral side of the position as yet. Definitely. Its obvious in the decision making but I also think this factors into his accuracy when he struggles as well. And then thats when you see that pouting sh*t on the sidelines. And Jeff Garcia is a good comparison, throwing out the fact he was an UDFA who threw for 4.2k and 31 TD's in his 2nd season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I will try to find the thread. I dont know that Sanchez didnt rape a bitch. When you dropped the name, the comparison was made. Does it really matter if the Jets did their due diligence? Its the god damn Jets. The same team that drafted Vernon ******* Gholston 6th overall and traded up for sh*tty Dustin Keller when we needed a WR with Desean Jackson still on the board...all in the same 1st round. And WTF does Tanny or Rex know about drafting a QB? Maybe they consulted everyone's favorite Schitty Jr? Everyone's favorite scapegoat for Sanchez's growth probably had the most influence on the pick. How bout that for a mind ****? What would JN's reaction be then. Why do I think they took the little southern cali mexi model homo with little college experience over a monster in every sense of the word, who in one season throwing to doodoo has as almost as many passing TD as Sanchez does for his career, is beyond me. I have no idea. I can tell you this. It had nothing to do with if they thought Josh Freeman could handle NYC because there were reports that he liked to drink after midnight. Thats just ridiculous. They traded up to the 5th spot because they thought the model was the better talent, not because he is more mature. And if that was the logic, than thats more ridiculous than thinking he was the better talent. Here's where your logic is flawed, if they had similar grades on the two players, than maturity was a major factor in picking Sanchez over Freeman. Also, talk to me when your boy wins multiple games against teams with winning records in a season, wins a playoff game, does anything of note when anyone actually has some expectations for him. Freeman hasn't exactly been under the same kind of scrutiny as Sanchez now has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 THIS has been the most frustrating thing to me. It's the mental part of the game that Sanchez doesn't seem to get, even after two full seasons. I don't know if it's poor coaching or if he just lacks the instincts required to break down a defense and read through his progressions, but he certainly doesn't seem to have a great handle on the cerebral side of the position as yet. If were going to kill Sanchez for the mental part of the game...his three guys (Braylon, Santonio, Keller) have looked brain dead at times when running their routes. And his supposed security blanket(Keller) has pretty much had his head in his a$$ for the better part of the season. Not to mention Cotchery who has double digit drops. Sanchez has been meh, but lets not act this is all on him...the drops have been almost comical this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Here's where your logic is flawed, if they had similar grades on the two players, than maturity was a major factor in picking Sanchez over Freeman. Also, talk to me when your boy wins multiple games against teams with winning records in a season, wins a playoff game, does anything of note when anyone actually has some expectations for him. Freeman hasn't exactly been under the same kind of scrutiny as Sanchez now has he? 1) The Jets grades suck 2) Sanchez plays on a far superior team 3) see #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Matt Ryan is a star? When the Falcons lose their first playoff game is he still a star? Bradford had a solid rookie year. Star? Not yet. I'd take Freeman over Ryan honestly. Ooh. I think Ryan is thisclose to being mentioned in the Brees-Rodgers-Rivers class, bro. I agree he's probably not there yet, but it'll take a severe drug problem or injury to keep it from happening. Bradford, though obviously really early, looks like the real thing. Not better than Sanchez, yet, but he's shown a ton of poise, accuracy and already has a higher QB rating (FWIW) than Mark. Freeman is a wild card, imo. He really, really looks the part, though. None of this is to say that Mark doesn't have the chance to be as good or better than those guys. I just pointed to those guys to say that they look like bankable stars--sure things--while Mark is still so inconsistent. If Sanchez has years like Garcia had in San Fran...he was worth the 5th pick. True. If he puts together anything like the three great years that Garcia had in San Fran, Jets fans will build a statue for him. If were going to kill Sanchez for the mental part of the game...his three guys (Braylon, Santonio, Keller) have looked brain dead at times when running their routes. And his supposed security blanket(Keller) has pretty much had his head in his a$$ for the better part of the season. Not to mention Cotchery who has double digit drops. Sanchez has been meh, but lets not act this is all on him...the drops have been almost comical this season. Not to exonerate any of Sanchez's receivers, but I think those guys just don't have a metric ton of faith in Sanchez's ability to get them the ball and they mentally tune out of games. We know that Santonio and Braylon are headcases anyway, but when you see a true professional like Cotchery dropping balls and being in the wrong spots, you have to wonder just how much they trust Sanchez. I liken it to a basketball team with a spotty PG. When a point guard is running the floor and moving the ball well, everybody on the team runs hard and plays better. But when the PG is sloppy with the ball and isn't getting it to the right spots, nobody runs and nobody plays as hard as they can. I don't think that Santonio or Edwards, or Keller for that matter, need much prompting to check out mentally, but when Cotch is all crossed up mentally, that's a sign of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ooh. I think Ryan is thisclose to being mentioned in the Brees-Rodgers-Rivers class, bro. I agree he's probably not there yet, but it'll take a severe drug problem or injury to keep it from happening. Bradford, though obviously really early, looks like the real thing. Not better than Sanchez, yet, but he's shown a ton of poise, accuracy and already has a higher QB rating (FWIW) than Mark. Freeman is a wild card, imo. He really, really looks the part, though. None of this is to say that Mark doesn't have the chance to be as good or better than those guys. I just pointed to those guys to say that they look like bankable stars--sure things--while Mark is still so inconsistent. True. If he puts together anything like the three great years that Garcia had in San Fran, Jets fans will build a statue for him. Not to exonerate any of Sanchez's receivers, but I think those guys just don't have a metric ton of faith in Sanchez's ability to get them the ball and they mentally tune out of games. We know that Santonio and Braylon are headcases anyway, but when you see a true professional like Cotchery dropping balls and being in the wrong spots, you have to wonder just how much they trust Sanchez. I liken it to a basketball team with a spotty PG. When a point guard is running the floor and moving the ball well, everybody on the team runs hard and plays better. But when the PG is sloppy with the ball and isn't getting it to the right spots, nobody runs and nobody plays as hard as they can. I don't think that Santonio or Edwards, or Keller for that matter, need much prompting to check out mentally, but when Cotch is all crossed up mentally, that's a sign of a problem. And yet, after all of this mess, the Jets still managed to have one of their best regular seasons win wise in franchise history. Rooting for this franchise is something else. And fwiw...I think your reaching with Cotchery mentally checking out because he thinks Sanchez stinks. I don't think anyone in the locker room has even anonymously questioned Sanchez's ability. If they didnt have faith in the kid, something would have come out already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donboyO Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Sorry Garcia was terrible, reason why he bounced around the league TO made garcia a 5 yd slant into an 80 yd touchdown, garcia was average at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 And yet, after all of this mess, the Jets still managed to have one of their best regular seasons win wise in franchise history. Rooting for this franchise is something else. Both a blessing and a curse for Mark. He's a young guy playing relatively well for what is the most competitive Jets teams since 98, but if they don't win a ring during this run, he will be the one scapegoated. Personally, I'm judging Sanchez harshly not because he's awful, but because I have doubts that he's ready to compete for a Super Bowl right now. Fair? no. But it is what it is. And fwiw...I think your reaching with Cotchery mentally checking out because he thinks Sanchez stinks. I don't think anyone in the locker room has even anonymously questioned Sanchez's ability. If they didnt have faith in the kid, something would have come out already. It's just a theory based on the performance of all the Jets receivers. While it's easy to just point at Braylon and Santonio and Keller and say that they're just wackjob primadonnas, it's a lot harder to figure out why a guy like Cotchery would be having the same problems. Common denominator is a young, indecisive, inaccurate QB. It doesn't matter how good a guy you are or how professional you may be, if you don't consistently know where the ball is going to go, you're not going to be as locked in as you should be. Human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Sorry Garcia was terrible, reason why he bounced around the league TO made garcia a 5 yd slant into an 80 yd touchdown, garcia was average at best His numbers were definitely inflated, but he did throw for 30 TD's three times I believe. He got stuck in Detroit and Cleveland and then played pretty well in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donboyO Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 His numbers were definitely inflated, but he did throw for 30 TD's three times I believe. He got stuck in Detroit and Cleveland and then played pretty well in Philly. and then tampa and then philly again, threw a terrible ball, TO made him for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Losing 3 of 4 games down the stretch with 1 td pass to show for it is not impressive. Put Freeman on this team and the guy is taking us to the SB. He's throwing to a rookie not Holmes, Edwards, Keller, Cotch, Lt playing with this ol. Please. Freeman is a stud. I suppose if you isolate the past two years to the past 5 games, and ignore the opponents that they were playing, you MIGHT be tempted to go with Freeman over Sanchez. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ryan Mallet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ryan Mallet? Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks. Same here. Similar measurables to Freeman. Jake Locker is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks. There was another SEC quarterback who used to choke a lot. I think he played for Tennessee. Its on the tip of my tongue.....grr, hate when this happens.....someone help me out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 There was another SEC quarterback who used to choke a lot. I think he played for Tennessee. Its on the tip of my tongue.....grr, hate when this happens.....someone help me out here. Erik Ainge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 That being said, Mallet just made a fantastic throw. Ainge, if he ever cleans up, can still be a good QB imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Erik Ainge? Bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 It's just a theory based on the performance of all the Jets receivers. While it's easy to just point at Braylon and Santonio and Keller and say that they're just wackjob primadonnas, it's a lot harder to figure out why a guy like Cotchery would be having the same problems. Common denominator is a young, indecisive, inaccurate QB. It doesn't matter how good a guy you are or how professional you may be, if you don't consistently know where the ball is going to go, you're not going to be as locked in as you should be. Human nature. The point guard analogy isn't bad, but I think that Cotchery's problems started about the time he got hurt. Also, playing with dogs can make you dog it a bit. Especially when the dogs are being treated like stars while you are a nobody (in the eyes of everybody except Blackout). This is where I can see blaming Schottenhiemer. The rhythm nation of complainers have a point. I think the play calls allow these guys to become un-involved. I mostly blame it on trying to eat clock, but it takes a toll. Particularly on those less professional - Greene, Holmes, Edwards, Keller. You know 1/3 of our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks. Mallett is this year's Jevon Snead. Everybody was in love with Snead going into last year and then he bombed like crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Should have stayed put and drafted him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Should have stayed put and drafted him... stop bumping your bullsheet threads or I'll see to it you're banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 stop bumping your bullsheet threads or I'll see to it you're banned. Ummm, JoeC wants my body, Max tells me this is my site all the time, Crusher is my muffin top and Slats and I share the same retirement plans. I'm protected around these parts. You on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Dammit. Just.....dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Dammit. Just.....dammit. Right? The Jets trade up in a draft for the worst QB in the NFL in a year they could have stayed put and got players such as; Freeman, Harvin, Maclin, Matthews, Nicks. Its all good though, we got Tebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Right? The Jets trade up in a draft for the worst QB in the NFL in a year they could have stayed put and got players such as; Freeman, Harvin, Maclin, Matthews, Nicks. Then we went on to extend the contract of said worst QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Then we went on to extend the contract of said worst QB in the NFL. Dont worry. Its Tebow Time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Dont worry. Its Tebow Time! Sigh. Fine. Best season ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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