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[stoicsentry]

On the FAN right now.

Jets defense statistically equivalent to last year's, in some cases slightly better, in some a little worse. Worth looking up the stats, it's actually true. This "D" has MORE sacks and is better against the run.

Blames L.T. for a lot of Jets troubles. Hasn't run for more than 57 yards since week 5. (IMO: maybe Jones was worth keeping but whatever)

[TNJet]

On the FAN right now.

Jets defense statistically equivalent to last year's, in some cases slightly better, in some a little worse. Worth looking up the stats, it's actually true. This "D" has MORE sacks and is better against the run.

Blames L.T. for a lot of Jets troubles. Hasn't run for more than 57 yards since week 5. (IMO: maybe Jones was worth keeping but whatever)

The LT quote is 100% accurate. If we started Greene and McKnight all year we'd be 13-3 easily.

[slats]

That's a fun game to play, but the 2009 Jets gave up 4.2 fewer points per game. 14.8 last year vs. 19 this year.

It's nice to be a little better against the run, but last year the Jets were nothing short of dominant in passing defense. In a passing league, that's what matters.

[Integrity28]

On the FAN right now.

Jets defense statistically equivalent to last year's, in some cases slightly better, in some a little worse. Worth looking up the stats, it's actually true. This "D" has MORE sacks and is better against the run.

Blames L.T. for a lot of Jets troubles. Hasn't run for more than 57 yards since week 5. (IMO: maybe Jones was worth keeping but whatever)

Meh... Jones would have faded down the stretch too. In fact, he kind of did with KC no? Frankly, this is what 30+ year old RBs do.

Regardless I believe LT's presence as a receiver and in pass protection helped Sanchez significantly more than TJ would have. Their 2 yards and a cloud of dust would have been a wash.

[Integrity28]

That's a fun game to play, but the 2009 Jets gave up 4.2 fewer points per game. 14.8 last year vs. 19 this year.

It's nice to be a little better against the run, but last year the Jets were nothing short of dominant in passing defense. In a passing league, that's what matters.

In a passing league, what matters is a passing offense. We didn't have one last year, and couldn't play catch up with Peyton in the AFC Championship.

[Maxman]

That's a fun game to play, but the 2009 Jets gave up 4.2 fewer points per game. 14.8 last year vs. 19 this year.

It's nice to be a little better against the run, but last year the Jets were nothing short of dominant in passing defense. In a passing league, that's what matters.

I know the offense plays in (how long they hold the ball, field position) but the only start I care about is points allowed. The other stuff is nice but if they keep them out of the end zone I am happy.

[jason423]

That's a fun game to play, but the 2009 Jets gave up 4.2 fewer points per game. 14.8 last year vs. 19 this year.

It's nice to be a little better against the run, but last year the Jets were nothing short of dominant in passing defense. In a passing league, that's what matters.

In the real important stats they were a dud this year compared to last. 3rd down percentage is up from 32% to 37%. Their big play pass numbers have risen from 31 to 48. Turnovers in the air are down while scores are up. Last year the Jets held teams to about 30% below their average scoring output. This year they are around 13% and actually below average on the road. This isnt even close to last years team.

[stoicsentry]

We also had a tougher schedule this year.

While our running game as good, it wasn't the same as last year. Less runs = less time on the field = more time for the defense on the field = fatigue = more scores allowed. This is obvious and yet no one wants to talk about it because they would rather have a pass happy team.

Well, those are the consequences.

[#27TheDominator]

We also had a tougher schedule this year.

While our running game as good, it wasn't the same as last year. Less runs = less time on the field = more time for the defense on the field = fatigue = more scores allowed. This is obvious and yet no one wants to talk about it because they would rather have a pass happy team.

Well, those are the consequences.

I agree.

This is the reason that I often jump in to defend Schottenhiemer with Gatto. I think a great deal of the run, run, pass, punt offense is dictated by the team trying to keep field position & clock. The game where they FAILED all game was the 2nd Pats game IMO. The other pathetic offensive performances - Baltimore, Green Bay - were partially dictated by staying close.

[Sperm Edwards]

On the FAN right now.

Jets defense statistically equivalent to last year's, in some cases slightly better, in some a little worse. Worth looking up the stats, it's actually true. This "D" has MORE sacks and is better against the run.

Blames L.T. for a lot of Jets troubles. Hasn't run for more than 57 yards since week 5. (IMO: maybe Jones was worth keeping but whatever)

Would it be better if we gave him another 5 carries so he could eclipse 60 yards on 20+ carries like Jones? Jones finished the season with a 3.66 ypc average. His teammate, running behind the exact same OL, on a nearly-exact number of carries, averaged 6.38.

Jones blows. Go look at his own game-by-game of late. Hey, he's durable, doesn't fumble the ball, is reliable in pass protection, is a locker room leader, etc. Basically he's good at everything doing a comparatively good job at gaining yards while running with the football. He had one really nice 70-yard run (including broken an actual broken tackle, if I recall) against Jacksonville. But that one run doesn't help a little bit each carry of each game; it helped one time on one play in one game where KC's offense scored 5 non TJ TD's. The rest of his 244 carries on the season he's averaged 3.39 ypc. In his 2 statistically good games since that week 6 Jax carry (against Denver's #31 ranked rush defense and Arizona's #30 ranked rush defense), look what his counterpart did to the same defenses in the same games. Still think he was worth keeping now?

For all his plodding into the line most of the time, and how much slower he's looked lately compared to earlier-on, at least LT is a reliable receiver. And while he was particularly brutal against Chicago, he put on his good-LT clothes against the league's #1 rush defense in that icebox in Pittsburgh.

Even with his faults, most of which are probably due to overuse, LT > Jones.

[DMaynard]

That's a fun game to play, but the 2009 Jets gave up 4.2 fewer points per game. 14.8 last year vs. 19 this year.

It's nice to be a little better against the run, but last year the Jets were nothing short of dominant in passing defense. In a passing league, that's what matters.

Good point. The most important defensive stat is points allowed.

I don't know the actual stats, but it seemed like the 2009 defense was better in the red zone. It seemed like they often did a better job of holding opponents to FGs vs TDs.

[Scott Dierking]

Stat that shocked me in Sunday's game, was that the Jets have the most 3 and outs as a defense.

That said, getting off the field on 3rd down has been problematic

[#27TheDominator]

Hey, he's durable, doesn't fumble the ball, is reliable in pass protection, is a locker room leader, etc. Basically he's good at everything doing a comparatively good job at gaining yards while running with the football.

I think he is a leader in the weight room. I wouldn't discount having guys like Gholston and Jones around in the weight room. It was more important coming from a guy like Jones, but I actually think it means something. Maybe I'm biased because in the old days and in the lesser leagues I play in not EVERYBODY works out like that, but it can't hurt.

Stat that shocked me in Sunday's game, was that the Jets have the most 3 and outs as a defense.

That said, getting off the field on 3rd down has been problematic

I don't think it's that problematic. Rephrase, I think it's more problematic for the rest of the NFL. The Jets have given up way too many 3rd and longs which is why it seems like such a problem area.

[Jet27]

That's a fun game to play, but the 2009 Jets gave up 4.2 fewer points per game. 14.8 last year vs. 19 this year.

It's nice to be a little better against the run, but last year the Jets were nothing short of dominant in passing defense. In a passing league, that's what matters.

The 45 points to the Pats and the 38 to the Bears skews the PPG statistically. But I do believe with McKnight and Greene in the backfield and throw in Conner we have an extremely difficult running game for any defense to try and stop.

[#27TheDominator]

The 45 points to the Pats and the 38 to the Bears skews the PPG statistically. But I do believe with McKnight and Greene in the backfield and throw in Conner we have an extremely difficult running game for any defense to try and stop.

Joe McKnight, seriously?

[Jet27]

Joe McKnight, seriously?

Yeap think about it objectively...McKnight gives us speed and Greene the power. The only thing is if Mcknight can hold onto the ball. We have too much power in the running game and if we hold onto the ball and not turn it over (via the running game) we should run for more than 150 yards on these guys.

[#27TheDominator]

Yeap think about it objectively...McKnight gives us speed and Greene the power. The only thing is if Mcknight can hold onto the ball. We have too much power in the running game and if we hold onto the ball and not turn it over (via the running game) we should run for more than 150 yards on these guys.

If you were thinking about it objectively you would be shocked if McKnight is ever on the field for even one offensive snap. They don't even trust him to run back punts.

[DMaynard]

Yeap think about it objectively...McKnight gives us speed and Greene the power. The only thing is if Mcknight can hold onto the ball. We have too much power in the running game and if we hold onto the ball and not turn it over (via the running game) we should run for more than 150 yards on these guys.

I love how people poo-pooh the 158 yards McKnight got against the "lowly" Bills. However, if Gholston got say, 3 sacks against them, we would have people dancing in the streets and proclaiming that he has suddenly fullfilled his potential. And that would have been a big deal if he got 3 sacks. The only problem is Gholston didn't do anything like that and he has had three years of chances. McKnight gets a chance in one game, and he has a super game.

I, for one, am impressed.

[#27TheDominator]

I love how people poo-pooh the 158 yards McKnight got against the "lowly" Bills. However, if Gholston got say, 3 sacks against them, we would have people dancing in the streets and proclaiming that he has suddenly fullfilled his potential. And that would have been a big deal if he got 3 sacks. The only problem is Gholston didn't do anything like that and he has had three years of chances. McKnight gets a chance in one game, and he has a super game.

I, for one, am impressed.

Ha. Where have you been?

This whole season, hell since he puked at mini-camp, there were maybe two or three people defending Joe McKnight. Slats and I. Maybe another guy or two. I like Joe McKnight and I'm glad they kept him over Woodhead and Clowney. How many people are on record as saying that prior to Sunday?

Any rational person looking at this game will see that McKnight carried the ball in three games all season. The two Bills games and when they were routed by the Pats. They don't trust him and didn't let him carry against the Bears and haven't even let him return punts or kicks despite Leonhard being hurt while Cotchery, Brad Smith and Cromartie are dinged. They let LT and Greene take the game off so that they would be rested for the Colts. If they weren't planning on using LT heavily in the playoffs they wouldn't have rested him, they have gotten him his 1,000 yards. I think McKnight will contribute on special teams and will one day be a quality back, but I'd be shocked if he gets any meaningful carries Saturday night. If you thought about it, you would be too.

[Jet27]

If you were thinking about it objectively you would be shocked if McKnight is ever on the field for even one offensive snap. They don't even trust him to run back punts.

That's why he ran for over a buck fifty this past sunday..what are you talking about dude?

[#27TheDominator]

That's why he ran for over a buck fifty this past sunday..what are you talking about dude?

I'm talking sense. You?

I'm not sure why I would have to explain this, but I will. The Bills game could not possibly change the Jets playoff position. They were locked into the #6 seed. Therefore, it was a good time to let an untrustworthy rookie get some valuable experience. He HAD to carry the ball because they rested Greene and LT. IMO any sane person with an IQ over 39 would figure that to mean that they plan to lean heavily on Greene and LT Saturday night in Indy. They also rested Cro and Revis and Cole had an INT while the D shut the Bills out. Do you think that means that Cole should get the start vs. Wayne?

[DMaynard]

Ha. Where have you been?

This whole season, hell since he puked at mini-camp, there were maybe two or three people defending Joe McKnight. Slats and I. Maybe another guy or two. I like Joe McKnight and I'm glad they kept him over Woodhead and Clowney. How many people are on record as saying that prior to Sunday?

Any rational person looking at this game will see that McKnight carried the ball in three games all season. The two Bills games and when they were routed by the Pats. They don't trust him and didn't let him carry against the Bears and haven't even let him return punts or kicks despite Leonhard being hurt while Cotchery, Brad Smith and Cromartie are dinged. They let LT and Greene take the game off so that they would be rested for the Colts. If they weren't planning on using LT heavily in the playoffs they wouldn't have rested him, they have gotten him his 1,000 yards. I think McKnight will contribute on special teams and will one day be a quality back, but I'd be shocked if he gets any meaningful carries Saturday night. If you thought about it, you would be too.

1. I don't keep track of every poster's favorites. Sorry.

2. I don't disagree that the Jets had every right, base upon pre-season, to have not trusted him.

3. I am merely stating that he had a terrific game against the Bills and shows great potential. I am not predicting he will be a factor in this post season. Hell, I am just hoping the nitwits realize they need to take carries from LT and give them to Greene, forget about McKnight. That is not a given, although it should be obvious.

4. We are in agreement that he will one day be a quality back.

[Jet27]

I'm talking sense. You?

I'm not sure why I would have to explain this, but I will. The Bills game could not possibly change the Jets playoff position. They were locked into the #6 seed. Therefore, it was a good time to let an untrustworthy rookie get some valuable experience. He HAD to carry the ball because they rested Greene and LT. IMO any sane person with an IQ over 39 would figure that to mean that they plan to lean heavily on Greene and LT Saturday night in Indy. They also rested Cro and Revis and Cole had an INT while the D shut the Bills out. Do you think that means that Cole should get the start vs. Wayne?

A bit pretentious

IQ? Mine is 141... yours? Anyway, the kid McKnight was in Rex's doghouse due to the fumble he had which basically cost us a game, thus why he was the invisible man this year. In any event, you dont think he can run against the Colts D?

[#27TheDominator]

A bit pretentious

IQ? Mine is 141... yours? Anyway, the kid McKnight was in Rex's doghouse due to the fumble he had which basically cost us a game, thus why he was the invisible man this year. In any event, you dont think he can run against the Colts D?

Whether he can or he can't is irrelevant. We are talking about whether he will. There are not enough carries to go around as it is. I want to see Greene get the bulk of the carries. LT will be rested and this isn't the Chargers. I doubt we will see McKnight get another carry before summer/fall 2011.

[Jet27]

Whether he can or he can't is irrelevant. We are talking about whether he will. There are not enough carries to go around as it is. I want to see Greene get the bulk of the carries. LT will be rested and this isn't the Chargers. I doubt we will see McKnight get another carry before summer/fall 2011.

Ok I would want him to carry some the kids does have potential. But I agree that I would want Greene to get the bulk of the carries absolutely correct. I dont see the Colts stopping our running game if we stick to running the ball.

[#27TheDominator]

Ok I would want him to carry some the kids does have potential. But I agree that I would want Greene to get the bulk of the carries absolutely correct. I dont see the Colts stopping our running game if we stick to running the ball.

I think we will know by the third play if we want to see Tomlinson. He had better run every carry like it's last because it might well be. He showed some urgency this year and then faded as the line got hurt. I'm hoping the line and he are rested and healthy and I want him to bust enough a$$ that I feel bad when they give it to Greene 75% of the time.

[Bugg]

Stat that shocked me in Sunday's game, was that the Jets have the most 3 and outs as a defense.

That said, getting off the field on 3rd down has been problematic

Wonder if that's a result of an offense that doesn't stay on the field nor sustain drives in several games. In the 2nd Pats game, the Ravens, the Packers and the 2nd half of every game not against the Bengals and Bills, the offense seemed to dissappear. It got better vs. the Steelers and Bears. But seemed like every game came down to the defense having to stop a potentil game-winning drive for the opposition-Dolphins,Vikings, Pats, Steelers. Offense did steal 3 games, and we had the debacle against the Browns where the defense got beat allowing it to go to OT.

[Matt39]

Tomlinson just died mid season. Preseason and the September/October he looked like vintage LT. Maybe he can find it in the well again.

But Greene better be in the game by the second offensive play.

[Scott Dierking]

Tomlinson just died mid season. Preseason and the September/October he looked like vintage LT. Maybe he can find it in the well again.

But Greene better be in the game by the second offensive play.

Tomlinson is in there to give the defense pause to think about him coming out as a receiver also. Greene does not offer that as very much of a threat

[#27TheDominator]

Tomlinson just died mid season. Preseason and the September/October he looked like vintage LT. Maybe he can find it in the well again.

But Greene better be in the game by the second offensive play.

Don't forget that Woody has been nursing that knee for some time. They have probably looked better running with Hunter than the last couple of weeks while Woody was hurt and playing. Slauson hurt his leg and missed time. Moore was hurt a bit and Mangold has had a shoulder problem for a good part of the season. It could be Tomlinson getting worn down or it may have been the line. Most likely it was both.

[Matt39]

Tomlinson is in there to give the defense pause to think about him coming out as a receiver also. Greene does not offer that as very much of a threat

If I'm playing defense, I'm thinking "good" when LT is in the game. That's at least what I was thinking last year in San Diego.

[Scott Dierking]

If I'm playing defense, I'm thinking "good" when LT is in the game. That's at least what I was thinking last year in San Diego.

Tomlinson gives a defense more to think about when he is in there. I am not saying who is a better player.

[lamont_jordan_rules]

... McKnight won't see the field on offense unless we're blowing them out in the 2nd half ...

... greene should get the majority of the touches at rb ... but lt should be in more on 3rd downs as he's a much bigger dump off receiving threat ...

... the colts d is small and fast ...

... therefore ... our runs should be up the gut and/or between the tackles ... don't waste time trying to get to the corner ...

l_j_r

[Iceman88]

Meh... Jones would have faded down the stretch too. In fact, he kind of did with KC no? Frankly, this is what 30+ year old RBs do.

Regardless I believe LT's presence as a receiver and in pass protection helped Sanchez significantly more than TJ would have. Their 2 yards and a cloud of dust would have been a wash.

Fading down the stretch would mean LT wasn't effective for the last 4 maybe 6 games. LT hasn't been effective since before a little before the bye week. He has been given way too much credit by fans due to how he played the first 4 games when he hasn't really done much since.

The fact that fans here thought he should be considered comeback player of the year is the biggest joke. Greene needs to be our primary back all playoffs even if he fumbles the ball. He actually does something for the running game.

[Scott Dierking]

Fading down the stretch would mean LT wasn't effective for the last 4 maybe 6 games. LT hasn't been effective since before a little before the bye week. He has been given way too much credit by fans due to how he played the first 4 games when he hasn't really done much since.

The fact that fans here thought he should be considered comeback player of the year is the biggest joke. Greene needs to be our primary back all playoffs even if he fumbles the ball. He actually does something for the running game.

LT had a very good game in Pittsburgh.

I am not saying that he is a better player than Greene at this stage, but to suggest that he see far less playing time would be foolish. He represents a very good 3rd down option.