Maxman Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 (obviously talking about when he retires). Who wants to argue this? Sure, it is slow and I am just stirring shit. Because Jeter is clearly a first ballot hall of famer. But who wants to argue why he shouldn't be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Glorified singles hitter with no defensive range. Something about how he'd be perceived on X small-market team. Rawr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Oh, and Max, a far more interesting and relatively untapped topic would be the controversial yet incredibly productive 2013 Hall of Fame class. The following are some of the players eligible that year: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 This is all I could come up with. That haircut is not Hall worthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 This is all I could come up with. That haircut is not Hall worthy... The women he has banged and is banging merits his induction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 A minority of the fan base that root for him are among the most classless in the League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 The only thing you might be able to argue is that he might not get in first ballot. He's in for sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 The only thing you might be able to argue is that he might not get in first ballot. He's in for sure though. That's not up for argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Oh, and Max, a far more interesting and relatively untapped topic would be the controversial yet incredibly productive 2013 Hall of Fame class. The following are some of the players eligible that year: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton Bonds and Clemens, yes. Sosa, maybe. The rest, are you kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Bonds and Clemens, yes. Sosa, maybe. The rest, are you kidding me? If you don't put in Schilling, then Pettitte doesn't belong. Yankee fans want to talk about how Pettitte's post season numbers give him a bump, but Schilling was by far the more effective post season pitcher. My call-Neither deserve to get in. I didn't see anything else you posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 If you don't put in Schilling, then Pettitte doesn't belong. Yankee fans want to talk about how Pettitte's post season numbers give him a bump, but Schilling was by far the more effective post season pitcher. My call-Neither deserve to get in. I didn't see anything else you posted If that's your logic for Schilling, Jack Morris has to go in first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 If that's your logic for Schilling, Jack Morris has to go in first. I said that same thing here long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I said that same thing here long ago. Wait a second! We agree on something baseball-related???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Wait a second! We agree on something baseball-related???? Ya big lug you, give me a hug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I have posted ad nauseum about this, but the only way Schilling and Morris should be mentioned in the same breath is if you're making the statement - "Curt Schilling was a vastly superior pitcher when compared to Jack Morris". The only thing Morris and Pettitte best Schilling in are compiling numbers - IP (a combination of durability and Schilling spending part of his career as a RP) and Wins (a nearly useless indicator when judging the relative merit of two pitchers for anyone who doesn't have rely strictly on antequated statistics). Every other statistical category and advanced metric paints a picture of Schilling being far more dominant than Morris or Pettitte could ever hope to have been. If anyone cares to read my opinion on Schilling's HoF-worthiness, they can sort through this mess... and for the record, I have no horse in this race, only a keen interest in baseball history and stats: http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/71302-anyone-hear-what-that-obnoxious-arrogant-prick-schilling-said-yesterday/ PS - Jeter gets in on the first ballot, even though he receives Gold Glove awards he doesn't deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Bonds and Clemens, yes. Sosa, maybe. The rest, are you kidding me? Schilling and Biggio arguments aside, are you seriously suggesting that Mike Piazza is not a HoF'er? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I am not going to chime in on Schilling, Morris and Pettitte, but I do have an announcement. I prefer antiquated statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Bonds and Clemens, yes. Sosa, maybe. The rest, are you kidding me? Bonds, Clemens and Sosa all may not get in. You're forgetting how much the media wants to NOT vote them in first-ballot because of steroids-gate. I don't think they can get 75 % of the vote, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I have posted ad nauseum about this, but the only way Schilling and Morris should be mentioned in the same breath is if you're making the statement - "Curt Schilling was a vastly superior pitcher when compared to Jack Morris". The only thing Morris and Pettitte best Schilling in are compiling numbers - IP (a combination of durability and Schilling spending part of his career as a RP) and Wins (a nearly useless indicator when judging the relative merit of two pitchers for anyone who doesn't have rely strictly on antequated statistics). Every other statistical category and advanced metric paints a picture of Schilling being far more dominant than Morris or Pettitte could ever hope to have been. If anyone cares to read my opinion on Schilling's HoF-worthiness, they can sort through this mess... and for the record, I have no horse in this race, only a keen interest in baseball history and stats: http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/71302-anyone-hear-what-that-obnoxious-arrogant-prick-schilling-said-yesterday/ PS - Jeter gets in on the first ballot, even though he receives Gold Glove awards he doesn't deserve. Schilling is about as deserving of induction into the baseball hall of fame as I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I am not going to chime in on Schilling, Morris and Pettitte, but I do have an announcement. I prefer antiquated statistics. As opposed to the crap the nerds toss around that take all of the fun out of the game by overanalyzing it to death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Schilling is about as deserving of induction into the baseball hall of fame as I am. Yes, in the absence of any debate to the contrary excepting your meritless and inherently flawed "he pitched 20 years and only won 216 games" stance, you're absolutely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 As opposed to the crap the nerds toss around that take all of the fun out of the game by overanalyzing it to death? Even lacking the mental acumen of these so-called "nerds", you must realize at some level that you can't look at traditional statistics in a vacuum and think that they paint a full picture as to how events actually transpired.... or maybe you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Even lacking the mental acumen of these so-called "nerds", you must realize at some level that you can't look at traditional statistics in a vacuum and think that they paint a full picture as to how events actually transpired.... or maybe you don't. Or I can actually watch the friggin' game and understand what I see and understand that when I see Curt Schilling I don't see a Hall of Famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Or I can actually watch the friggin' game and understand what I see and understand that when I see Curt Schilling I don't see a Hall of Famer. You have to be saying the same thing about Pettitte then, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Or I can actually watch the friggin' game and understand what I see and understand that when I see Curt Schilling I don't see a Hall of Famer. The games must look crystal clear through these: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 The games must look crystal clear through these: They do indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 You have to be saying the same thing about Pettitte then, yes? I don't think Pettitte is a HOFer. My Dad would kill me for suggesting otherwise, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Pettitte and Schilling- no Mussina- yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Pettitte and Schilling- no Mussina- yes In an Oriole cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Pettitte and Schilling- no Mussina- yes If they feel like watering down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Bonds, Clemens and Sosa all may not get in. You're forgetting how much the media wants to NOT vote them in first-ballot because of steroids-gate. I don't think they can get 75 % of the vote, do you? I was offering opinions on who should be in, not who I think will be. The sanctimonious ****s in the BBWA may very well screw all three of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Schilling and Biggio arguments aside, are you seriously suggesting that Mike Piazza is not a HoF'er? Not suggesting any such thing. Stating it outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Not suggesting any such thing. Stating it outright. What HoF criteria could possibly exclude the best hitting catcher in MLB history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 What HoF criteria could possibly exclude the best hitting catcher in MLB history? This. Saying Piazza is not a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer is one thing. Suggesting he doesn't belong in the HOF is quite another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Or I can actually watch the friggin' game and understand what I see and understand that when I see Curt Schilling I don't see a Hall of Famer. Why? Your 20 years and 216 wins argument does not stand any test. And as much arguing you did for Andy and the HofF in his retirement thread, I am having difficulty understanding what game you are watching. Especially after you say he doe snot belong in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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