Turns out Phil Hughes is just bad, not hurt

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

Sent down to Scranton.

[madmikeisback 65]

Yeah he sucks because of 3 bad starts. He'll go down build arm strength and be back quickly. Probably before the mets win their 10th game. BTW, he's on the DL for dead arm, not optioned, just like I said he'd be. Will you give me credit for being right? I doubt it very highly.

Edited April 15, 2011 by madmikeisback

[Sharrow 37,774]

lol, you two were made for each other.

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

Yeah he sucks because of 3 bad starts. He'll go down build arm strength and be back quickly. Probably before the mets win their 10th game. BTW, he's on the DL for dead arm, not optioned, just like I said he'd be. Will you give me credit for being right? I doubt it very highly.

"Dead arm" is not an injury. Dead arm is something EVRY pitcher goes through. Most don't land on the DL to hide them.

Guess the arm has been dead for the last 10 months

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

lol, you two were made for each other.

Like kisses and cuddling.

[JonEJet 61,506]

Scott, let get back to the discussion at hand.

The Mess.....how are they doing

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

Scott, let get back to the discussion at hand.

The Mess.....how are they doing

They suck as a team. Time to blow it up.

[Blackout 63,287]

how come these Mets fans always post about the Yankees

[Maxman 530,090]

He has been terrible this year, I am very surprised by this....

[Maxman 530,090]

Sent down to Scranton.

Speaking on Scranton you going to that thing on the 24th?

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

Speaking on Scranton you going to that thing on the 24th?

It depends on Dukey. Would love to see everyone.

[T0mShane 117,411]

Yeah he sucks because of 3 bad starts. He'll go down build arm strength and be back quickly. Probably before the mets win their 10th game. BTW, he's on the DL for dead arm, not optioned, just like I said he'd be. Will you give me credit for being right? I doubt it very highly.

Gotta give credit where credit is due. You did say they'd dump Hughes on the DL eventually.

[PFSIKH 101,506]

Gotta give credit where credit is due. You did say they'd dump Hughes on the DL eventually.

He also had in the Hall of Fame so it kind of balances itself out.

[GimmeShelter 21,640]

He has been terrible this year, I am very surprised by this....

He was bad for a large portion of last season as well. A "dead arm" is a interesting thing to be dl'd for.

Usually pitchers can work right through that in a week or so. Hopefully he is fine shortly as with Nova being a 4 inning pitcher the Yankees really need Hughes. Burnett while not great has been a blessing. The Red Sox staff is in tatters right now so the Yanks can afford a little time to work these Nova and Hughes issues out.

[PFSIKH 101,506]

He was bad for a large portion of last season as well. A "dead arm" is a interesting thing to be dl'd for.

Usually pitchers can work right through that in a week or so. Hopefully he is fine shortly as with Nova being a 4 inning pitcher the Yankees really need Hughes. Burnett while not great has been a blessing. The Red Sox staff is in tatters right now so the Yanks can afford a little time to work these Nova and Hughes issues out.

Well, the good news is the Sox staff could not get any worse.

[T0mShane 117,411]

He also had in the Hall of Fame so it kind of balances itself out.

Maybe he meant the Arthroscopic Procedures Hall of Fame?

[AFJF 40,907]

This Hughes story could get interesting. He was horrible for the vast majority of the second half last season, got crushed in the post-season, and has picked up right where he left off.

I saw an article the other day that pointed out Jim Abbott's rapid decline and it cited his one dominant season in which, like Hughes last year, he relied heavily on his cutter and by the following season, he was never the same.

[Barton 66,624]

Dude has been losing velocity for awhile. 3 years ago when he was a big deal he was sitting at 94/95 with a nasty curve.

Gets injured in Texas during the perfect game, comes back, hasnt been the same guy. 91, 92, and a slower curve.

He's not this bad, but I do remember them "tweaking his mechanics" 2 years ago to "prevent future injury".

[CrazyCarl40 51,896]

Dude has been losing velocity for awhile. 3 years ago when he was a big deal he was sitting at 94/95 with a nasty curve.

Gets injured in Texas during the perfect game, comes back, hasnt been the same guy. 91, 92, and a slower curve.

He's not this bad, but I do remember them "tweaking his mechanics" 2 years ago to "prevent future injury".

Joba lost some velocity when he was being bounced between starter and reliever too, so maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe the bullpen would be the better location for him.

[Matt39 39,491]

Joba lost some velocity when he was being bounced between starter and reliever too, so maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe the bullpen would be the better location for him.

Joba lost velocity after he hurt his shoulder.

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

It seems to be happening to more and more pitchers these days.

Perhaps the "babying" that they are doing to these arms at developmental ages, hinders future abilities. Who knows? Every arm is different and reacts differently.

Maybe Nolan Ryan is on to something with his staff.

[DLJ 151,138]

dead arm my arse. he just fxcking blows.

But why is a MET fan even talking about this? That team is the biggest joke in the country. They're not even lovable losers they're just losers.

Edited April 19, 2011 by DLJ

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

dead arm my arse. he just fxcking blows.

But why is a MET fan even talking about this? That team is the biggest joke in the country. They're not even lovable losers they're just losers.

Well Miss Feisty, the title of this forum is "Baseball" not "Yankees fans talking Yankees, Mets fans talking Mets, Cubs fans talking Cubs".

Yes, the Mets are losers. We may not be lovable but we are ornery.

[madmikeisback 65]

It seems like people are very quick to pass judgement who has been a good pitcher his entire professional career. He'll be back.

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

It seems like people are very quick to pass judgement who has been a good pitcher his entire professional career. He'll be back.

Career 4.46 ERA with a 1.292 WHIP. Very pedestrian.

[T0mShane 117,411]

It seems to be happening to more and more pitchers these days.

Perhaps the "babying" that they are doing to these arms at developmental ages, hinders future abilities. Who knows? Every arm is different and reacts differently.

Maybe Nolan Ryan is on to something with his staff.

They worked the juice and HGH out of the game so a lot of these guys who were great prospects 4-5 years ago are--whoops--all of a sudden no longer throwing 95 or hitting it 500 feet. Whether or not they were actually using doesn't even matter, they grew up with the understanding that, to make it in the bigs, you had to hit 40 homers/throw unholy heat. Now, they have to basically re-learn the game. They are casualties of the Steroid Era, and it'll take years before the ones who were either using (and artificially inflated their stock) or weren't using (but tailored their games to play in the steroid-era) are weeded out.

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

They worked the juice and HGH out of the game so a lot of these guys who were great prospects 4-5 years ago are--whoops--all of a sudden no longer throwing 95 or hitting it 500 feet. Whether or not they were actually using doesn't even matter, they grew up with the understanding that, to make it in the bigs, you had to hit 40 homers/throw unholy heat. Now, they have to basically re-learn the game. They are casualties of the Steroid Era, and it'll take years before the ones who were either using (and artificially inflated their stock) or weren't using (but tailored their games to play in the steroid-era) are weeded out.

I would like to not believe it, but there seems to be some veracity by the sheer number of guys that just seem to be falling into a mediocre pit.

It really makes what a Seaver, Gibson, Guidry, et al did the more amazing.

[PFSIKH 101,506]

I would like to not believe it, but there seems to be some veracity by the sheer number of guys that just seem to be falling into a mediocre pit.

It really makes what a Seaver, Gibson, Guidry, et al did the more amazing.

Amphetamines.

[madmikeisback 65]

Looks like Hughes, sadly, IS actually hurt. So it turns out that I was right and SD is an ahole. So nothing's new.

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

Looks like Hughes, sadly, IS actually hurt. So it turns out that I was right and SD is an ahole. So nothing's new.

Being soft, injury prone and mediocre is no way for any pitcher to go through life.

Edited April 28, 2011 by Scott Dierking

[madmikeisback 65]

Being soft, injury prone and mediocre is no way for any pitcher to go through life.

Thanks for proving me right again.

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

Thanks for proving me right again.

What has been proven that he is injured? Where is the definitive statement on that?

[CrazyCarl40 51,896]

What has been proven that he is injured? Where is the definitive statement on that?

"We are not saying that he has it," Girardi said. "We are not saying that he doesn't. A real low-level risk of thoracic outlet syndrome, which is basically a circulatory problem."

Sounds definitive to me...

[Maxman 530,090]

Hughes right now has mediocre fastball syndrome. Eiland suffered from that which is why he was the best AAA pitcher but sucked in the bigs. Hopefully in time, Hughes can overcome it.

[Scott Dierking 131,789]

Hughes right now has mediocre fastball syndrome. Eiland suffered from that which is why he was the best AAA pitcher but sucked in the bigs. Hopefully in time, Hughes can overcome it.

It is odd that so many other pitchers are having similar decreasing velocity issues.

Or, maybe the proliferation of registering radar readings and documenting them is too much of a rage.

Maybe this has always gone on, and pitchers need to work themselves out of "mediocre fastball syndrome".

Hard to know.