Turns out Phil Hughes is just bad, not hurt

[JohnnyHector 152,030]

WHere is John Maine these days?

Given the injuries to Sabathia and Pettitte and ineffectiveness/injury issues with Banuelos and Betances, I'd say he's probably on his way to being in the Yankees' rotation.

[Scott Dierking 132,026]

WHere is John Maine these days?

Not sure, and certainly not sure why he would even fit in this discussion.

[Maxman 531,191]

The reason opposing fans stick to Hughes is obvious. Hughes represented for the Yankee fan base that opportunity to groom one of their own hand-picked pitchers into a star-Something the Yankees have not done for some time (developed a big time starter). The Yankees sold their fan base that this kid was going to be it and people and the media jumped on that (see the fervor with Banuelos and Betances last year-now, not so much).

Fans want to see home grown talent succeed. It is a natural fan selection. The excuses that some allow with Hughes is slightly amusing to watch-If he was Joe Blow acquired in a trade, the passion would be gone and the clamor would be to "get this bum off the team".

So Yankee fans are rooting for a Yankee. And Mets fans are rooting against Yankees. That is normal. My point is Mets fans are investing a lot in having this guy fail.

He is now 26 years old, and is a big kid that is pitching well. If he finishes this game strong he will have won his 9th game before the All Star break. Not too bad.

The Yankees have the best record in baseball so I guess picking on their 4th starter is all people have lol.

[Maxman 531,191]

I totally understand that.

It does not make me mad, more amused. Let's just call Hughes what he is-a mediocre talent. And there is nothing wrong with that-pitchers like that can thrive for 12-15 years in this league.

But realize, that any 2 week sustained glimpse of very good pitching, may not necessarily make him the next incarnation of Bob Gibson.

Mad Mike can't hurt you anymore. I banned him because he was being a meanie to you, haha.

[Maxman 531,191]

What do Andy Pettite, Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova all have in common?

[JonEJet 61,506]

What do Andy Pettite, Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova all have in common?

They all enjoy some home cookin'

[T0mShane 118,807]

What do Andy Pettite, Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova all have in common?

Hughes and Pettite? HGH.

[Maxman 531,191]

Oh wait...Texas has the best record in baseball. My bad.

But Hughes is doing well against a first place team. 6 innings 2 runs so far. I thought he only pitched well against bad teams?

[Maxman 531,191]

Hughes and Pettite? HGH.

Are you accusing Phil Hughes of using performance enhancing drugs? Have you ever seen him lol.

[Maxman 531,191]

They all enjoy some home cookin'

Not too shabby.

[JonEJet 61,506]

Did the Philthy Man have another outstanding outing?

[Maxman 531,191]

Did the Philthy Man have another outstanding outing?

He looked good today. If he can stay away from giving up the long ball, he is going to continue to get better.

Mets fans would have you think that at 26, he can't improve. 9 wins before the all star break, not too bad though.

[Blackout 63,285]

Mad Mike can't hurt you anymore. I banned him because he was being a meanie to you, haha.

what??

bring him back, he was funny

[JohnnyHector 152,030]

9 wins before the all star break, not too bad though.

Again, wins are a meaningless indicator of performance.

His peripherals are improved from last year... K/9 is up while BB/9 is down, which is always positive. His HR/FB ratio is almost 50% above his career average, so it's likely that it'll normalize somewhat, but in the end, he's looking more like an average pitcher instead of the abomination he was last year. As for his wins, swap his run support with Kuroda's and he's a sub-.500 pitcher this year.

[RutgersJetFan 90,546]

Again, wins are a meaningless indicator of performance.

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[Maxman 531,191]

Again, wins are a meaningless indicator of performance.

His peripherals are improved from last year... K/9 is up while BB/9 is down, which is always positive. His HR/FB ratio is almost 50% above his career average, so it's likely that it'll normalize somewhat, but in the end, he's looking more like an average pitcher instead of the abomination he was last year. As for his wins, swap his run support with Kuroda's and he's a sub-.500 pitcher this year.

I didn't mention his performance when I said he had 9 wins. Just stating that it wasn't too bad of a win total.

[Maxman 531,191]

We are performing some site maintenance and have to lock this thread for the time being.

[Thor99 410,254]

We are performing some site maintenance and have to lock this thread for the time being.

Lol.

[Maxman 531,191]

Thor please don't post in a locked thread. That is an abuse of mod powers. We frown upon such actions here.

Now excuse me while I go look at the array issue in our database. Seems to be some corruption around a post in this thread. We should have this worked out after Hughes starts a game or two in the 2nd half.

[Maxman 531,191]

Hughes looks decent tonight. The long ball is still his nemesis but all in all through 7 not a bad outing. Yes it is against a last place team but you can only pitch against who they put in front of you.

[PFSIKH 101,506]

Hughes looks decent tonight. The long ball is still his nemesis but all in all through 7 not a bad outing. Yes it is against a last place team but you can only pitch against who they put in front of you.

Again, Phil padding his numbers against a last place team.

[Blackout 63,285]

solid outing tonight for Hughes against a weak Red Sox team

still a good outing though

[CrazyCarl40 52,047]

Sox miss Big Papi but there is still nothing impressive about Phil Hughes.

[Blackout 63,285]

Sox miss Big Papi but there is still nothing impressive about Phil Hughes.

his ERA+ is higher than any Red Sox starter

try to explain your way out of that unless you are willing to admit Boston's staff sucks ass

[Maxman 531,191]

He is back on track for the hall of fame. IMO.

[CrazyCarl40 52,047]

his ERA+ is higher than any Red Sox starter

try to explain your way out of that unless you are willing to admit Boston's staff sucks ass

The Red Sox staff this year has been bad. No denying that. That said, Phil Hughes is a 4th or 5th starter for his career and if pitched for a bad offensive team he'd look even worse.

[PFSIKH 101,506]

his ERA+ is higher than any Red Sox starter

try to explain your way out of that unless you are willing to admit Boston's staff sucks ass

Maybe in between all your thought provoking posts, you have missed the RSN on this board admitting this team sucks.

[Blackout 63,285]

Maybe in between all your thought provoking posts, you have missed the RSN on this board admitting this team sucks.

it's possible

[PFSIKH 101,506]

it's possible

I know right...SHOCKING!!!!

[Blackout 63,285]

I know right...SHOCKING!!!!

Hanley looks good on the Dodgers

[CrazyCarl40 52,047]

Hanley looks good on the Dodgers

Good for him. He's been not good for a year or two now. Not sure how this is relevant.

[Blackout 63,285]

Good for him. He's been not good for a year or two now. Not sure how this is relevant.

i recall him saying he was glad the Sox didn't do something stupid like trade for Hanley.

that was an A-B conversation so please C your way out

[PFSIKH 101,506]

Good for him. He's been not good for a year or two now. Not sure how this is relevant.

If you are going to use my words use all of them.

I said I would like to see his talent on the Sox, but not the potential for him being a locker room problem.

A large part of RSN is calling for Bobby V's head when the fact is they should be calling for two heads. Lester and Beckett.

The team is 14-24 when they start and 36-25 with everyone else. If they played to their career average W/L, the Sox would be in contention with the Yankees.

Whether they are struggling or as an act of defiance, they are the two biggest culprits to being in last place.

Bobby V did not need the potential for this going even more sideways. He is cleaning Terry and Theo's mess while RSN thinks it is all his fault.

[CrazyCarl40 52,047]

Bobby V did not need the potential for this going even more sideways. He is cleaning Terry and Theo's mess while RSN thinks it is all his fault.

This is Larry Lucchino's mess. He pushed for Lackey and Crawford. And now he is hamstringing Ben. Tito and Theo got out when the getting was good.

That said, Bobby V is a bad manager of players and in game situations. He's not the man for the job. He wasn't Ben's choice either.

[PFSIKH 101,506]

This is Larry Lucchino's mess. He pushed for Lackey and Crawford. And now he is hamstringing Ben. Tito and Theo got out when the getting was good.

That said, Bobby V is a bad manager of players and in game situations. He's not the man for the job. He wasn't Ben's choice either.

What manager wants this job?

This team is a mess. No, up and coming manager will want to manage this team.