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Ha ha ha the meltdown Mets.............baseballs biggest joke of a franchise.

You must forget that you are a Jets fan.

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Nope..........the Mets are a joke in every way. No one can deny that.

And for all the sh*tstorm that swirls around them, they have only one less championship than the Yankees over the last decade, and are within games of their record this year.

I love the front office that is in place for the Mets and any cash crisis they may face. They are going to build from within, and develop talent. That will enable to seize upon the appropriate free agents.

What the Mets and the rest of recent baseball has taught us is that the team with the largest payroll does not win more Championships than the other franchises.

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Are you seriously comparing the Mets and Yankees............ Put down the crack pipe.

Tell me where I was wrong.

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In baseball its about getting to the playoffs, which the Yankees are very good at because they spend a lot of money.

Not too many low budget teams consistently making the playoffs. Its all about how much you spend in baseball.

I don't think the Mets are going to dip in the lower half of payroll.

It is one thing to spend money. It is another to spend money wisely, and have it mesh with a productive farm system.

We will see ho wit works. Spending hasn't worked for them

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For starters putting the 2 in the same sentence............ :rolleyes:

You debate like a 4 year old.

Good for you Visa, you managed to pick a team who had, what, 20 championships at least when you decided to follow them. You are so blessed.

And then , you choose to insult anyone else who follow another team?

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Been a Yankee fan all my life inherited from my grand father. Your right good for me cause the Mets suck on and off the field. They are an embarrassment to NY and Major League baseball.

If the shoe fits wear it.

OK Forrest.

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When the Madoff story first broke, Wilpon and his media lackeys like Mike Lupica claimed this woulnd't effect how they run their operations even a bit.This was their stance right up unitl December; it was a lie.

They didn't mention getting $25 million in loans for MLB.

They didn't mention Saul Katz recruited people for Madoff only as long as they asked no questions.

They didn't mention that they assigned Arhtur Friedman to investigate whether they could get insurance from a Ponzi scheme on their Madoff investments.

They didn't mention that they were getting money out of Madoff right up until the end, while other lost millions.

And they didn't mention that they re losing money like crazy. And this has been because Wilpon is s cheap fvkc who like being an owner of an MLB franchise, but doens't like spending the cash necesssary to win, and he allows his idiot son to run the show. Alderson is probably the GM now only because MLB demanded it after the $25 million loan.

The abuse their fans with the faux Ebbets Field/Brooklyn Dodger crap. And worse, pretending every year they have a shot when Wilpon won't spend. Allowing Reyes to leave would be criminal, but typical.

They lied. Fred Wilpon lies every time he moves his lips. They wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the a$$.

The Wilpons are lying scumbags who should sell the team before they do any more damage.

Bugg, when the story first broke, there was no story of a clawback.

I know you can't resist getting a good dig in, but get the facts right. We get it, you don't like Wilpon. Neither do a lot of us. But get YOUR facts right.

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Please. The Wilpons have Mike Lupica on speed dial to get out their bullsh*t story "we're victims here!" nonsense. And they have known since the day Madoff was arrested they at some point are going to have to sell the Mets. If Wilpon wasn't pals with Selig, Wilpon would have sold already. It's clear now why and how Alderson got this job; to perform an autopsy on this mess and figure out if Wilpon has to be jettisoned. And he does have to go.

Bugg, when the story broke, the clawback was not even part of the story

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Of course they beat their chest. They could be worse. They could be the Pirates!

There is nothing easier in this world than being a Yankee fan.

FYI, he inherited his fandom from his grandfather. Apparently, they have chips implanted in their head. All the bugs are not worked out yet. ;)

I miss you, man.

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Anyone who didn't anticipate a clawback following the biggest Ponzi scheme in history is retarded.

Should someone suspect original principal to be included in a clawback? It is overreaching

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Scott what facts does he have wrong?

I am not here to defend Wilpons.

Bugg has a one sided view of them (and frankly any owner from what I see).

When the Madoff scheme was discovered, no one knew of a clawback, particularly a clawback that involved PRINCIPAL. From most lawyers I read, that is an extreme overreach by Picard, mainly because the Wilpons are public figures. There is not precedent for that.

Bugg says Wilpon is cheap and does not spend money. Ask any Yankee fan in this forum when they topic of payroll comes up, and they bring up the Mets immediately. Can't have it both ways. Wilpon has spent. You can question whether he has spent wisely, but that is not being cheap.

The defense for the Wilpons is pretty easy-How could they be aware of something that the SEC could not find out for themselves? After the SEC did regular digging?

The SI article last week on the Wilpons was pretty candid. They came off genuinely hurt and beaten. Yes, I know the skeptics will cry "alligator tears".

Again, my attempt is not to defens the Wilpons, but to be balanced. Buggs commentary was not that. He has had an obvious ax to grind for many years.

My hope is that the Wilpons slowly bow out, which it seems the wheels are in motion. It just will not happen quickly. For Mets fans, you have to hope they can build from within, which they set in motion last offsesason with the people they hired. They did not have to bring Dipodesto and Ricciardi in-they did. They seem committed to the youth movement.

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I wish nothing but good things to Mets fans. The season is better when bother teams are in contention. But suspect Alderson, Depodesta and Ricciardi are there because MLB wants them there during the transition.

I see noway nor reason why anyone would defend Wilpon. he ahd to settle one Ponzi suit in 2007, and yet at that time he didn't stop for a moment and question Madoff? Horsesh*t. In fact he tried to get insurance. Fred is a lying sack of sh*t, Jeff is a spoiled brat tool. The sooner both are gone the better for everyone.

I do not disagree with the fact that the Mets would probably be better without them.

They are also due full discoure of the process.

Bugg, I love your posts and passion, but you have certain burrs in your saddle and the Wilpons are chef among those. You can not talk about them objectively, for whatever reason that is personal to you. That is fine, but not fair to objectivity.

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Scott, as a fellow Mets fan, the f*** are you talking about? Wilpon is the worst thing that has EVER happened to the Mets. And that is saying something. The fact that it takes a Yankee fan pointing this out, and you question it, tells me it is YOU that lacks objectivity on the matter.

I am not trying to support Wilpon and his right to own the Mets, more so, I am trying to present an objective side to Buggs tirade. That is all.

I hope Einhorn owns the team in 3 years

If you think Wilpon is the wors Mets ownership you don't know your history. Charles Shipman Payson ws horrible and when he turned the keys over to De Roulet, it was the worst period in Met history. MUCH worse than now.

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