madmikeisback Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 How many years till Hoyer is fired and back working as a Theo underling with a nice raise? I'm gonna say 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Hopefully wasn't the same source who said Youklis would never be close to the same player after his thumb injury. Prospects are just that-prospects. Some hit and some miss but it is way to early to make a decision on Rizzo based on a couple of months in the majors. Zing. It is far too early to judge a 21 year old prospect. Let's not forget he was the second best prospect in the deal. From most accounts Casey Kelly can be a front of the rotation guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Zing. It is far too early to judge a 21 year old prospect. Let's not forget he was the second best prospect in the deal. From most accounts Casey Kelly can be a front of the rotation guy. I mean he's never pitched like a front of the rotation guy in his life but he's gonna be the next ace. [/boston delusion] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Honesty I wish the yankees were as good at running scams like this as Boston is. We try to get middle RP's and get asked for a top 10 prospect in baseball lol. Cashman pretty much gets taken to the cleaners in every trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Yankee fans crying and whining about how any other team in the league is put together is absolutely priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Yankee fans crying and whining about how any other team in the league is put together is absolutely priceless. Not whining, A spade = a spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Not whining, A spade = a spade. Oh, it comes off as whining and being bitter. Your team has as many advantages as any in the sport. To be crying that another team got the better of a trade sounds small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Oh, it comes off as whining and being bitter. Your team has as many advantages as any in the sport. To be crying that another team got the better of a trade sounds small. Boston has every advantage the Yankees do. Plus the scam surrounding this trade should piss everyone off. Not just yankee fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I mean he's never pitched like a front of the rotation guy in his life but he's gonna be the next ace. [/boston delusion] I'm just going by what scouts have said. Do you even try to make sense any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Boston has every advantage the Yankees do. Plus the scam surrounding this trade should piss everyone off. Not just yankee fans. Seems like no one else anywhere shares your opinion. I mean, there were just so MANY articles slamming the trade that you provided to us to read. The evidence is SO compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Boston has every advantage the Yankees do. Plus the scam surrounding this trade should piss everyone off. Not just yankee fans. It happens all over. Look at the Houston-Phillies connection. Ed Wade is the former GM of the Phillies. To whine about it as a Yankee fans seems petty and bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 It's either one of 2 things. 1. He completely sucks at his job. 2. Him and Theo are running a scam. Those are the only 2 possibilities. And since they just asked the yankees for Montero for Mike Friggin Adams, I'm gonna go with 2. Well answer this question which I have asked you many times. You are GM of the Padres. You have an the hottest commodity, potentially, on the free agent market. -Do you deal him? -Deal him before the trade deadline? -Signing him to an extension is not an option. Dealing him was the only option. No other large market team needed him. The Yanks have Teix and Phils have Howard signed to long contracts. While the Cards might be an option, pursuing Gonzo would only alienate Pujols. Then you would have to move Pujols. Dodgers and Mets could use him , but are a financial mess. Similar to the Cards, Milwaukee could use him long term. However, they have Fielder, it would likely sabotage any any home town discount from him. If they are not gong to pay Fielder, what makes you think they are going to pay Gonzo? The other Sox could use him, but have Konerko and Dunn signed through 2014. They would have to give up prospects, move one of those other two and likely eat a portion of their contracts and sign Gonzo. That is costly. Cubs? Yes, he would be an upgrade over Pena. As the Cubs do, they took the cheap route and signed Pena. They are the Cubs after all. Angels? Yes, they can use him, but they have some crappy contracts and are likely at their limit. His trade value was at its highest in December. You had Gonzo for at least a full season. The only team then with the resources was Boston. The only team with a clear need was Boston. They sent the Padres good prospects despite your protests. Hoyer made the right and smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 It happens all over. Look at the Houston-Phillies connection. Ed Wade is the former GM of the Phillies. To whine about it as a Yankee fans seems petty and bitter. And when did those teams make an insane, one sided trade for a 28 year old all star making nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Well answer this question which I have asked you many times. You are GM of the Padres. You have an the hottest commodity, potentially, on the free agent market. -Do you deal him? -Deal him before the trade deadline? -Signing him to an extension is not an option. Dealing him was the only option. No other large market team needed him. The Yanks have Teix and Phils have Howard signed to long contracts. While the Cards might be an option, pursuing Gonzo would only alienate Pujols. Then you would have to move Pujols. Dodgers and Mets could use him , but are a financial mess. Similar to the Cards, Milwaukee could use him long term. However, they have Fielder, it would likely sabotage any any home town discount from him. If they are not gong to pay Fielder, what makes you think they are going to pay Gonzo? The other Sox could use him, but have Konerko and Dunn signed through 2014. They would have to give up prospects, move one of those other two and likely eat a portion of their contracts and sign Gonzo. That is costly. Cubs? Yes, he would be an upgrade over Pena. As the Cubs do, they took the cheap route and signed Pena. They are the Cubs after all. Angels? Yes, they can use him, but they have some crappy contracts and are likely at their limit. His trade value was at its highest in December. You had Gonzo for at least a full season. The only team then with the resources was Boston. The only team with a clear need was Boston. They sent the Padres good prospects despite your protests. Hoyer made the right and smart move. You have no idea if they could afford to keep him. You also have no idea what other teams were offering for him or what Theo is going to pay Hoyer after he gets fired and scurries back to boston. Shouldn't be long now as Hoyer has done a great job going from first to worst in one short year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You have no idea if they could afford to keep him. You also have no idea what other teams were offering for him or what Theo is going to pay Hoyer after he gets fired and scurries back to boston. Shouldn't be long now as Hoyer has done a great job going from first to worst in one short year. If your hypothesis is correct, then Mike Adams or Heath Bell should be gift wrapped on their way to Boston, correct? Will you give up this silly charade if they are not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You have no idea if they could afford to keep him. You also have no idea what other teams were offering for him Neither do yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You have no idea if they could afford to keep him. You also have no idea what other teams were offering for him or what Theo is going to pay Hoyer after he gets fired and scurries back to boston. Shouldn't be long now as Hoyer has done a great job going from first to worst in one short year. You still didn't answer the question. And if the Padres lose out on A-Gon to free agency because they are a small market team and can't afford him and keep other players as well, they'd only get two draft picks from it. In those two draft picks they might be able to get some good talent, but the best talent they'd have trouble signing to big bonuses. In the Red Sox deal they got four players. Three of them are good to great prospects and have already begun to prove themselves at the minor league level. Bottom line it was the best thing for the Padres to deal him and if they had a better offer on the table, I'm sure they would have taken it. As PF said, not many teams had the money AND the prospects AND the need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You have no idea if they could afford to keep him. You also have no idea what other teams were offering for him or what Theo is going to pay Hoyer after he gets fired and scurries back to boston. Shouldn't be long now as Hoyer has done a great job going from first to worst in one short year. Sure you do. Check the Padres total salaries since 2000 (as far as I went back). Their highest is 73 million. Their median is probably around 50 million. http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/salaries/team Gonzo signed a 7 year-154 million contract. They cannot afford a contract that average 22 million a year. Who were the other teams? Yankees? No. Texiera. Phillies? No. Howard. Cardinals? No. They have Pujols and want him. Why trade two top prospects and spend 22 million a year on Gonzo when you can keep the prospects and sign Pujols for a few million more? Brewers? No. They have Fielder. Why mortgage your future by trading prospects for a one year rental? And like the Cards, why not try to keep Prince and the prospects? Dodgers and Mets? Yes, but they are both in financial trouble. It would be dumb to trade two prospects and hope you have your finances in order before his contract runs out. Cubs? Yes, but they went Carlos Pena and trading prospects to Tampa for Garza. White Sox? Yes, but they have two DH/1B types in Konerko and Dunn signed through 2014. Angels? They have Kendry Morales coming back next year. While they could use Gonzo now, trading prospects for a one year rental or having to move Morales will be trading 50 cents on the dollar. Plus, they have the albatross of a contract in Vernon Wells. Again, who else is out there? The Sox were the best fit. Hoyer knows more about Rizzo and Kelley then any other prospect he could receive (Cubs, White Sox or Angels). While there are a handful of teams that would want him, only one needed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If your hypothesis is correct, then Mike Adams or Heath Bell should be gift wrapped on their way to Boston, correct? Will you give up this silly charade if they are not? I haven't heard their names being mentioned with Boston. I have heard them asking the yankees for absurd packages for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If your hypothesis is correct, then Mike Adams or Heath Bell should be gift wrapped on their way to Boston, correct? Will you give up this silly charade if they are not? If the Sawx need Adams or Bell.....Theo will give him some used jocks, and a guaranteed job offer when canned in SD It's a sham, every team gets duped. I can only imagine the Yankees price for Adams.....Montero at MINIMUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Again, who else is out there? Baltimore, Texas, Colorodo, Arizona, These are teams that should have had the opportunity to pick him up. Seems like this fit was sort of like an Italian Pre-Arranged marriage. It was all but guaranteed once cuzzin Jed got shipped to SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Baltimore, Texas, Colorodo, Arizona, These are teams that should have had the opportunity to pick him up. Seems like this fit was sort of like an Italian Pre-Arranged marriage. It was all but guaranteed once cuzzin Jed got shipped to SD Those teams had the opportunity. Texas couldn't hold on to Teixera, why would they grab Gonzo? They signed Beltre instead for less money. Colorado has Helton and there is no DH in the National League. Arizona's payroll combined is 53 million. They couldn't afford to re-sign him. Why would Baltimore trade for him? They wouldn't be able to re-sign him either. They could afford him, but he wouldn't sign there because they are terrible and it's obvious he wants to win. You guys are basing this on NOTHING except Yankee hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Those teams had the opportunity. Texas couldn't hold on to Teixera, why would they grab Gonzo? They signed Beltre instead for less money. Colorado has Helton and there is no DH in the National League. Arizona's payroll combined is 53 million. They couldn't afford to re-sign him. Why would Baltimore trade for him? They wouldn't be able to re-sign him either. They could afford him, but he wouldn't sign there because they are terrible and it's obvious he wants to win. You guys are basing this on NOTHING except Yankee hatred. The idea that you would write a paragraph like this based on NOTHING but wishful thinking is hilarious. You had no idea the way these talks went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The idea that you would write a paragraph like this based on NOTHING but wishful thinking is hilarious. You had no idea the way these talks went. He Spins it, dude It's Spin City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The idea that you would write a paragraph like this based on NOTHING but wishful thinking is hilarious. You had no idea the way these talks went. Neither do you. You're grasping at straws. Just drop it already. It's not going to change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Neither do you. You're grasping at straws. Just drop it already. It's not going to change anything. I'm looking at what happened (your team raped the padres) and trying to understand why. There are only 2 options that make sense. Hoyer is horrible at his job or he's running a scam. Those are the only 2 possible answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'm looking at what happened (your team raped the padres) and trying to understand why. There are only 2 options that make sense. Hoyer is horrible at his job or he's running a scam. Those are the only 2 possible answers. Don't you think if there was some collusion that There be more people upset than just a couple of douche Yankees fans? You're right the Padres should have lost him to free agency to the Sox and then got two drafts picks instead. That's really smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Don't you think if there was some collusion that There be more people upset than just a couple of douche Yankees fans? You're right the Padres should have lost him to free agency to the Sox and then got two drafts picks instead. That's really smart. Yes because there was only 1 team to trade him to and only 1 mediocre package they could take. Give me a friggin break. You're talking out of your rear end. He was steered to Boston. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Yes because there was only 1 team to trade him to and only 1 mediocre package they could take. Give me a friggin break. You're talking out of your rear end. He was steered to Boston. Period. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Prove it. Logic. And you can prove less than I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Logic. And you can prove less than I can. How do you figure that one? You have no proof. I have the fact that the prospects are good and common sense. You have nothing. You still havent answered PF's question. Why don't you go ahead and do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 How do you figure that one? You have no proof. I have the fact that the prospects are good and common sense. You have nothing. You still havent answered PF's question. Why don't you go ahead and do that. Their factual performance which is the only important "facts" show that they are mediocre at best. I could've told you that years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Their factual performance which is the only important "facts" show that they are mediocre at best. I could've told you that years ago. They are only 21. Far too soon to judge them. I didn't know you were a pro scout. Oh that's right. You're not. And you have yet to answer any questions. You just keep dancing around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I didn't know you were a pro scout. Oh that's right. You're not. Ellsbury is garbage, and Hughes is an ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 And when did those teams make an insane, one sided trade for a 28 year old all star making nothing? Brad Lidge for Michael Bourne. Oswalt for JA Happ. lopsided trades. But hey, you want to sound bitter and cry like a baby-go at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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