ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I have no idea why I'm even conversing with you. I think I'm just about done. You're arguing a strawman, not anything I've said. I want to avoid downgrades on the offensive side of the ball, where we still have a young QB who hasn't completely come into his own and Brian Schottenheimer running the show. Of the three units on the team, the offense is already the worst. At the very least I'd like to maintain there. So resigning Edwards, or bringing in offensive talent to replace him would be my priority. Your argument is screw the offense, because teaming the highest paid CB in the league with the new highest paid CB in the league in an effort to try to improve on what is already one of the best pass defenses in the NFL is clearly the smart way to go. Forget about any other position anywhere else on the team, either, because you won't be able to afford any. Just this one player will make all the difference in the world, and would more than make up for the 900 yards and 7 TD's lost along with BE. When that day comes, make sure you mark it on your calendar and celebrate it every year. (disclaimer: I'm wrong plenty, but let's face it, Klacko will never be the one to prove it). I never said screw the offense... ever. You are saying they should downgrade on defense and sign (Braylon?) which would make them the same team as last year, just worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I never said screw the offense... ever. You are saying they should downgrade on defense and sign (Braylon?) which would make them the same team as last year, just worse. Signing Aso = screw the offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Slats, at what point did cotchery quit being a good number 2? It was just 2 years ago that most saw him as a low 1... We have invested heavily in our qb... If he needs 2 number ones to succeed then we are in a lot more trouble whether aso signs or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I am more concerned with giving Sanchez the best possible weapons rather than having the 2 most expensive corners in the NFL covering other teams' #1 plus, most often, far lesser quality #2 WRs. Most teams don't have a pair of WRs worthy of being covered by that much salary and future cap space at CB. I guess I am in the minority in thinking Aso + Revis is an imprudent investment vs retaining Edwards and having him start along with #10. Especially when we spent a 1st rounder at CB last year. Id rather take the Aso money and spend it on Braylon + another CB and other position to fill needs and provide depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Signing Aso = screw the offense Bullsh*t it is... who are you going to spend the 3-5 million extra Aso MIGHT make this year (though after holmes cap hit who knows) on? Not Braylon, he is out. So who is an upgrade over Cotch? Who do you cut? They drafted 2 guys... they are not cutting them before seeing what they have.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Signing Aso = screw the offense The offense is solely dependent on Sanchez's improvement. Braylon Edwards isnt a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Slats, at what point did cotchery quit being a good number 2? It was just 2 years ago that most saw him as a low 1... We have invested heavily in our qb... If he needs 2 number ones to succeed then we are in a lot more trouble whether aso signs or not. The guy will be coming back from a back injury this year that he was never really able to rehab under the guidance of team trainers. I don't know who saw him as any sort of #1 type WR (outside of Blackout), and really is more of a complimentary type at this stage of his career. The Jets offense is the worst unit on the team. Marginally improving the best unit at the expense of the worst doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 The guy will be coming back from a back injury this year that he was never really able to rehab under the guidance of team trainers. I don't know who saw him as any sort of #1 type WR (outside of Blackout), and really is more of a complimentary type at this stage of his career. The Jets offense is the worst unit on the team. Marginally improving the best unit at the expense of the worst doesn't make sense to me. Sounds like allot of people want Coles back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 The offense is solely dependent on Sanchez's improvement. Braylon Edwards isnt a star. Solely? **** it, cut every OL, WR and RB on the roster, because Sanchez's level of play is the only thing that matters, and clearly the players around him will have absolutely no effect whatsoever on how well he plays either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Bullsh*t it is... who are you going to spend the 3-5 million extra Aso MIGHT make this year (though after holmes cap hit who knows) on? Not Braylon, he is out. So who is an upgrade over Cotch? Who do you cut? They drafted 2 guys... they are not cutting them before seeing what they have.. I'd sign Braylon, then sign a CB. Jets are interested in Chris Carr. If he signs for a similar deal as his former teammate, that leaves $8-9M for a WR and other improvements. WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT MONEY TO YOU?!?!? YOU THINK PSLS ARE A SMART INVESTMENT!!!!11!1ONE11!!111!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Solely? **** it, cut every OL, WR and RB on the roster, because Sanchez's level of play is the only thing that matters, and clearly the players around him will have absolutely no effect whatsoever on how well he plays either. Yes, because that's exactly what I was getting at. I cant believe folks are against signing Nnamdi...acting as if its YOUR money the team is spending. When was the last time the Jets couldnt sign someone because of $? You ever think the team doesnt even want Braylon back? He's getting no love on the open market either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 lol, Chris Carr makes Aaron Beasley look like Deion Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'll tell you one thing, if we do happen to sign ASO, we better have the best f*cking defense that has ever played the game. They better average 50 yards passing, and only from screens! This is doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yes, because that's exactly what I was getting at. I cant believe folks are against signing Nnamdi...acting as if its YOUR money the team is spending. When was the last time the Jets couldnt sign someone because of $? You ever think the team doesnt even want Braylon back? He's getting no love on the open market either. No, I'm acting like the Jets are a team that have a significantly better defense than offense, and would be much better off spending that money on MULTIPLE players for MULTIPLE positions than one single player for the #2 spot at a position on the Jets unit of strength. Ridiculous, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'd sign Braylon, then sign a CB. Jets are interested in Chris Carr. If he signs for a similar deal as his former teammate, that leaves $8-9M for a WR and other improvements. WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT MONEY TO YOU?!?!? YOU THINK PSLS ARE A SMART INVESTMENT!!!!11!1ONE11!!111!!!! PSL talk? Really? I never once called them a good investment... it is like burning money... but I love the smell... so %u$k off. The JETS could land Nnamdi and Braylon if they wanted, but they do not want to tie up 8 million on Braylon... I think that is clear thus far. Chris Carr? Again you are downgrading the D to keep the O the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 No, I'm acting like the Jets are a team that have a significantly better defense than offense, and would be much better off spending that money on MULTIPLE players for MULTIPLE positions than one single player for the #2 spot at a position on the Jets unit of strength. Ridiculous, I know. You are a cap guru? You are at Florham park today? If not, just stop. You are acting as if signing Nnamdi cripples them and you DO NOT know this... Also keep in mind VETS are getting a much larger chunk of money now that the rookies are capped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeJetsWord Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 I admire your tenacity slats, when the thread first came up I made a handful of posts saying I didn't like it. Got dealt a relative of the bad fan card and walked away. The fan in me would love to see this, knowing the economics of the salary cap and the deficiencies on the other side of the ball make me not want it. Arguing this with the mouth breathing klacko's of the world about it however, I don't have that kind of fortitude The onyl way this move makes sense to me is if we become the 00 ravens defense, I happen to think that won't happen by locking down wr #2 I see what you are saying here.. But I think you are looking at it too simplistically. Not only will it lock down a #2 receiver (ie take him out of the game ala Revis) but it will also free up another player (most likely a safety) which could be used to double another defender, or roam, or blitz or anything. You guys see the type of defenses that Rex is able to scheme when we take one receiver out of the game. If we can take out two, it ABSOLUTELY allows Rex to come up with even crazier defenses, which should confuse and frustrate opposing QBs. Either that, or the opposing QB will test Nnamdi or Revis, in which case, there is a good chance it results in an incompletion or INT. Cro played well here, but he never SHUT DOWN opposing defenders. He was a very risky play on every snap, partly because of his inability or maybe unwillingness to jam the receiver at the line. From this respect, with what Cro or a similarly talented high paid #2 CB brings to the table, throwing 12 million at a defender only marginally improves the defense. If he is able to (and make no mistake about it, Aso does) essentially take out another receiver out of the game, it opens up limitless abilities for Mike and Pettine. Maybe getting rid of one receiver does not seem like that big an accomplishment in itself, but when you see the chain reaction and what we can do off of that-- there is no way you can not want him on our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 No, I'm acting like the Jets are a team that have a significantly better defense than offense, and would be much better off spending that money on MULTIPLE players for MULTIPLE positions than one single player for the #2 spot at a position on the Jets unit of strength. Ridiculous, I know. Like who? And the reason the defense is significantly better than the offense is because the QB is young and going through growing pains. Hell, we dont even know if Sanchez is even the guy yet. There aren't any positions we can improve at on offense with guys who are available. Nnamdi Asomugha is available and it seems he wants to be here. The horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I am more concerned with giving Sanchez the best possible weapons rather than having the 2 most expensive corners in the NFL covering other teams' #1 plus, most often, far lesser quality #2 WRs. Most teams don't have a pair of WRs worthy of being covered by that much salary and future cap space at CB. I guess I am in the minority in thinking Aso + Revis is an imprudent investment vs retaining Edwards and having him start along with #10. Especially when we spent a 1st rounder at CB last year. Id rather take the Aso money and spend it on Braylon + another CB and other position to fill needs and provide depth. Some teams like the Patriots don't even have 1 guy. A lot of people seem to not think the Steelers have 1 top guy either. Forget teams having two top guys. Peyton will still find his 3rd and 4th targets, Ben will still run for big chunks of yardage, and who knows who we get out of the NFC but they might just do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 You are a cap guru? You are at Florham park today? If not, just stop. You are acting as if signing Nnamdi cripples them and you DO NOT know this... Also keep in mind VETS are getting a much larger chunk of money now that the rookies are capped. Oh shut the **** up. You must seriously be one of the stupidest assholes imaginable. Are you serious with this sh*t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Slats, at what point did cotchery quit being a good number 2? It was just 2 years ago that most saw him as a low 1... We have invested heavily in our qb... If he needs 2 number ones to succeed then we are in a lot more trouble whether aso signs or not. Agreed. H8u Yes, because that's exactly what I was getting at. I cant believe folks are against signing Nnamdi...acting as if its YOUR money the team is spending. When was the last time the Jets couldnt sign someone because of $? You ever think the team doesnt even want Braylon back? He's getting no love on the open market either. Thats whats crazy to me...nobody is really pushing to sign the guy. What gives...I was told 100 different ways that the guy was a total stud that the Jets couldnt afford to lose but the Jets might end up getting him because nobody else is interested...reporting to be in serious talks at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 PSL talk? Really? I never once called them a good investment... it is like burning money... but I love the smell... so %u$k off. The JETS could land Nnamdi and Braylon if they wanted, but they do not want to tie up 8 million on Braylon... I think that is clear thus far. Chris Carr? Again you are downgrading the D to keep the O the same. Minor downgrade on an outstanding pass dee that allows the Jets to maintain or improve on multiple fronts. As opposed to a minor improvement on dee that results in a major downgrade on an already mediocre offense and no other improvements anywhere. Who says Braylon is gonna cost $8M? Has he gotten one offer yet? What a train wreck. Why can't I look away from you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Oh shut the **** up. You must seriously be one of the stupidest assholes imaginable. Are you serious with this sh*t? Holy bunched up panties batman. I was not aware only you could spew complete speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 PSL talk? Really? I never once called them a good investment... it is like burning money... but I love the smell... so %u$k off. The JETS could land Nnamdi and Braylon if they wanted, but they do not want to tie up 8 million on Braylon... I think that is clear thus far. Chris Carr? Again you are downgrading the D to keep the O the same. For the JETS the priority has been Aso. It has not changed. If they find Aso will not make it here suddenly Bray and #2CB will become a HUGE prirority! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Minor downgrade on an outstanding pass dee that allows the Jets to maintain or improve on multiple fronts. As opposed to a minor improvement on dee that results in a major downgrade on an already mediocre offense and no other improvements anywhere. Who says Braylon is gonna cost $8M? Has he gotten one offer yet? What a train wreck. Why can't I look away from you? You think he will get less than Sidney Rice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Minor downgrade on an outstanding pass dee that allows the Jets to maintain or improve on multiple fronts. As opposed to a minor improvement on dee that results in a major downgrade on an already mediocre offense and no other improvements anywhere. Who says Braylon is gonna cost $8M? Has he gotten one offer yet? What a train wreck. Why can't I look away from you? Because you want to poo-poo other peoples happiness because you are smarter than them. Messageboards are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Holy bunched up panties batman. I was not aware only you could spew complete speculation. I'm sorry, you are neither Mike Tannenbaum nor Rex Ryan, so you are not allowed to comment on anything regarding the NY Jets. I'm currently PMing Max to inform him all posting abiltiies for any account not controlled by these two people need to be restricted going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm sorry, you are neither Mike Tannenbaum nor Rex Ryan, so you are not allowed to comment on anything regarding the NY Jets. I'm currently PMing Max to inform him all posting abiltiies for any account not controlled by these two people need to be restricted going forward. The difference is I am saying anything is possible (because I nor you know the limitations) while you are throwing out made up limitations as if they are fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh4dy15 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 For the JETS the priority has been Aso. It has not changed. If they find Aso will not make it here suddenly Bray and #2CB will become a HUGE prirority! If thats the case and Braylon comes here....he is true JET, that is a lot to have to put up with for someone who had the year he had. I have faith thats gonna be the case and I think we'll be better off. Youd have to think that Sanchez wants Bray back too, they worked out together over the summer and had pretty good chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Actually, while I'd love to see the two best db's play on the same team, what the defense really needs is a stud pass rush specialist. You have to hit the qb. What you need to realise is theres more that goes into rushing the passer, and its not always a one man show. Wilkerson, Kenrick will help in that area if they demand double teams that will free up someone else...or if Asomugha and Revis have the wrs locked down the QB holds the ball longer and then you get more sacks in games. Just because we havent had a player in double digit sack numbers doesnt mean we rank low in sacks. Its just more of a team effort to get them. Besides the guy you are wanting isnt in free agency he's likely in next years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 What you need to realise is theres more that goes into rushing the passer, and its not always a one man show. Wilkerson, Kenrick will help in that area if they demand double teams that will free up someone else...or if Asomugha and Revis have the wrs locked down the QB holds the ball longer and then you get more sacks in games. Just because we havent had a player in double digit sack numbers doesnt mean we rank low in sacks. Its just more of a team effort to get them. Besides the guy you are wanting isnt in free agency he's likely in next years draft. The JETS D was among the best in sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 You think he will get less than Sidney Rice? The longer he goes without signing, the less he'll be getting. Because you want to poo-poo other peoples happiness because you are smarter than them. Messageboards are awesome. I am in pursuit of happiness. I'll let you know when I get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Its fascinating how seemingly everyone needs to take a stance on something....I dont get how Nnamdi Asomugha has become so polarizing. He's one of the best cover corners of all time and a guy that wants to come here. If the Jets sign him-hooray. If not, oh well. But its funny that some are going to be angry at the Jets if they do actually sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 The JETS D was among the best in sacks. My point exactly Ecurb. Thanks for noticing lol. And it was all through scheme my man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 But its funny that some are going to be angry of the Jets do actually sign him. that would be foolish im on the other extreme trying not to get too excited. He's _that_ good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwwYKoVuSM0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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