If you don't think Steriods work...

[PFSIKH 101,506]

Ortiz did roids, Posada didn't. Thats it.

Why? Because you said so?

Catchers are not productive into their late 30s. This has been the case throughout baseball history.

Posada will be 40 next week.

He has 1573 games behind the plate.

He was productive for the first 1500 of them and was good up until he was 38. Why?

He was on something.

Now, compare that to Tek.

He will be 40 next April.

He had a decent bat the first 900 games of his career. Or up until he was 33.

The last 6 years he has over .250 once and is usually in the 220s.

[Morrissey 12,985]

On July 30, 2009, The New York Times reported that Ortiz and then-teammate Manny Ramirez were among a group of roughly 100 major league players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs during 2003 survey testing.

...what do you think a PED is? Gatorade?

Edited August 13, 2011 by Holmes Alone

[Morrissey 12,985]

Why? Because you said so?

Catchers are not productive into their late 30s. This has been the case throughout baseball history.

Posada will be 40 next week.

He has 1573 games behind the plate.

He was productive for the first 1500 of them and was good up until he was 38. Why?

He was on something.

Now, compare that to Tek.

He will be 40 next April.

He had a decent bat the first 900 games of his career. Or up until he was 33.

The last 6 years he has over .250 once and is usually in the 220s.

Comparing Posada to Varitek is retarded.

[Thor99 410,326]

Comparing Posada to Varitek is retarded.

Comparing Ortiz to Posada even more so.

[madmikeisback 65]

Comparing Ortiz to Posada even more so.

Why? Ortiz and Posada were good hitters unlike Varitek.

[PFSIKH 101,506]

Why? Ortiz and Posada were good hitters unlike Varitek.

Ortiz? yes.

Posada? No.

Given your unnatural affinity for Granderson, I am not surprised you mistake Posada's 2007 season for every season.

.293 .266 .273 .296 .281

.277 .268 .281 .272 .262

Without looking..which one is Tek? Posada?

Outside of 2007 when Posada had an outlier of a season, he has hit between .250-.288. Not what you would consider a good hitter.

tek by comparison hit between .248-.296 until the wheels came off his bat 5 years ago.

[madmikeisback 65]

Ortiz? yes.

Posada? No.

Given your unnatural affinity for Granderson, I am not surprised you mistake Posada's 2007 season for every season.

.293 .266 .273 .296 .281

.277 .268 .281 .272 .262

Without looking..which one is Tek? Posada?

Outside of 2007 when Posada had an outlier of a season, he has hit between .250-.288. Not what you would consider a good hitter.

tek by comparison hit between .248-.296 until the wheels came off his bat 5 years ago.

The idea that you would post a line of batting averages which is pretty much the most useless of baseball stats and expect that to prove anything shows how ignorant you are when it comes to baseball. It's not really worth wasting time arguing with someone with that sad level of knowledge.

Edited August 14, 2011 by madmikeisback

[PFSIKH 101,506]

The idea that you would post a line of batting averages which is pretty much the most useless of baseball stats and expect that to prove anything shows how ignorant you are when it comes to baseball. It's not really worth wasting time arguing with someone with that sad level of knowledge.

Well, what were you basing this argument on, "Ortiz and Posada were good hitters unlike Varitek"?

Homeruns? Posada cannot carry Big Papi's jock.

OPS? Again, Posada is not even close.

What does that leave? Triples?

You make another baseless statement which does not stand even the slightest scrutiny.

The reason you hate batting average is because it blows holes in everyone of your arguments.

[madmikeisback 65]

Well, what were you basing this argument on, "Ortiz and Posada were good hitters unlike Varitek"?

Homeruns? Posada cannot carry Big Papi's jock.

OPS? Again, Posada is not even close.

What does that leave? Triples?

You make another baseless statement which does not stand even the slightest scrutiny.

The reason you hate batting average is because it blows holes in everyone of your arguments.

Wow. Having an argument with you is like talking to a 3 year old with ADD. You make a foolish post about using BA (a meaningless stat) then, when i point out that you're a complete know nothing you start comparing a DH to a catcher. Posada was one of the best hitting catchers of the last 20 years behind Piazza. Ortiz is about an avg DH. BTW my comparison was totally based on composition of their decline as a player which Ortiz's steroid using is having a clear effect on.

Edited August 14, 2011 by madmikeisback

[PFSIKH 101,506]

Wow. Having an argument with you is like talking to a 3 year old with ADD. You make a foolish post about using BA (a meaningless stat) then, when i point out that you're a complete know nothing you start comparing a DH to a catcher. Posada was one of the best hitting catchers of the last 20 years behind Piazza. Ortiz is about an avg DH. BTW my comparison was totally based on composition of their decline as a player which Ortiz's steroid using is having a clear effect on.

You made the Ortiz to Posada comparison. Go check your own quote.

Dude, you seriously need to take off the Yankee colored glass and take your head out of jeter's a$$ for a second.

And Posada's decline as a catcher, 5 years beyond when the normal catcher decline sis not roid related? Ok homer.

[madmikeisback 65]

You made the Ortiz to Posada comparison. Go check your own quote.

Dude, you seriously need to take off the Yankee colored glass and take your head out of jeter's a$$ for a second.

And Posada's decline as a catcher, 5 years beyond when the normal catcher decline sis not roid related? Ok homer.

You really need to stop posting on the baseball forum. You're painfully stupid. It's actually giving me douche chills reading your posts.

Edited August 15, 2011 by madmikeisback