The Crusher Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 If he's looked good in practice, what does that say about our pass rushers? Nothing good. But I still think it's the little hype machine to build confidence from Rex like he did with Ghoslton. That being said, cut this clown now. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Shockingly bad. Im not sure if he seemed worse because of the little bit of positive hype that came outta camp, but the guy looked end of career Jason Fabini bad. LOL, I had forgotten about Fabini. He was a horror show at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 If he's looked good in practice, what does that say about our pass rushers? Actully according to Rex everyone looks good. I would not take anything Rex says to heart hes just trying to pump up his players. I cant see how Ducasse can look good in any way shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Actully according to Rex everyone looks good. I would not take anything Rex says to heart hes just trying to pump up his players. I cant see how Ducasse can look good in any way shape or form. Yes, i would've made that comment in thread last week.. But still, he as out there starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I'm not one that gets too excited or too down about preseason games, but you have to be a little concerned about Ducasse. I know it's only his second year, and they didn't have much of an offseason in terms of preparation and teaching, but geez o' pete, he looks absolutely awful. Cally definitely has his hands full with this project. Hope he can get this kid on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Do you guys still feel the same way today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Do you guys still feel the same way today? About Ducasse ? I feel worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 The guy has horrible footwork and balance. What good is it if he's 330 pounds if he can't use any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamont_jordan_rules Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 ... he looked dangerously bad ... l_j_r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 The guy has horrible footwork and balance. What good is it if he's 330 pounds if he can't use any of it. Vlad's problems are technique not his physical gifts. I think there is still potential in this player. Whether Callhan and rex can make him meet his potential, we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Vlad's problems are technique not his physical gifts. I think there is still potential in this player. Whether Callhan and rex can make him meet his potential, we shall see. Oh shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Vlad's problems are technique not his physical gifts. I think there is still potential in this player. Whether Callhan and rex can make him meet his potential, we shall see. Part 3. It's officially a trilogy. Which makes sense because Gholston is sort of like the Empire Strikes Back of football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Part 3. It's officially a trilogy. Which makes sense because Gholston is sort of like the Empire Strikes Back of football players. Do me a favor Rutgers every time you mention Gholston I want you to mention Revis too. Every time you mention Vlad I want you to mention Mark Sanchez. Or Dbrick. I don't know at what point it became expected for every draft pick to hit but trust me the Jets hit way more than most teams. and all we read about is Gholston. Do you like being sad? ps- empire was the best one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Oh shut up. you are another one really adding to the board. You guys think this place is better than JI but with comments like this, it really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan220 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Shockingly bad. Im not sure if he seemed worse because of the little bit of positive hype that came outta camp, but the guy looked end of career Jason Fabini bad. I agree 100% he looked lost out there...on those sacks he gave up it looked like he was barely able to get a hand on the d-end and watching him try to set up a screen was like watching a chicken run around with its head cut off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 He's the reason Rob Turner got hurt to because Watt blowing by him was the reason that play broke down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Part 3. It's officially a trilogy. Which makes sense because Gholston is sort of like the Empire Strikes Back of football players. Wait, are you saying that Gholston is awesome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Oh shut up. Part 3. It's officially a trilogy. Which makes sense because Gholston is sort of like the Empire Strikes Back of football players. These two posts both made me have those awkward laugh out loud at work moments for two very, very different reasons. Well played gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Do me a favor Rutgers every time you mention Gholston I want you to mention Revis too. Every time you mention Vlad I want you to mention Mark Sanchez. Or Dbrick. This makes no sense at all. None of those players have ever at any point in their career looked as bad as Gholston or Vlad, or as useless as DRob. You're talking about guys that have just played poorly, not busts. (cue the Sanchez rebuttals, but still...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Vlad's problems are technique not his physical gifts. I think there is still potential in this player. Whether Callhan and rex can make him meet his potential, we shall see. He already had a full year of practicing with NFL players and he looks HORRIBLE. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ducasse's issues are mental and technique driven. He has the size and strength, but that is all. His feet look like cinder blocks and everything he does has a air of hesitation. He needs to realize that someone is going to seriously get hurt because of him and use it as motivation to improve. Right now, he's beyond terrible at 2 of the 3 most important overall traits of being a successful Offeinsive Lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 you are another one really adding to the board. You guys think this place is better than JI but with comments like this, it really isn't. It's because we've all seen this act from you before. A player looks horrible. We all see it. You claim they just need time to develop/try to rationalize that they aren't so bad. Three years later, you realize they actually suck. That has nothing to do with things you are right on. This is the Dewayne Robertson/Gholston conversation all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 This makes no sense at all. None of those players have ever at any point in their career looked as bad as Gholston or Vlad, or as useless as DRob. You're talking about guys that have just played poorly, not busts. (cue the Sanchez rebuttals, but still...) my point is why does everyone remember the 2 bad draft picks but we take the 10 good ones for granted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 It's because we've all seen this act from you before. A player looks horrible. We all see it. You claim they just need time to develop/try to rationalize that they aren't so bad. Three years later, you realize they actually suck. That has nothing to do with things you are right on. This is the Dewayne Robertson/Gholston conversation all over again. even if all that is true, it's no justification for telling me to shut up. I'd rather be told to eff off than to shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 It's because we've all seen this act from you before. A player looks horrible. We all see it. You claim they just need time to develop/try to rationalize that they aren't so bad. Three years later, you realize they actually suck. That has nothing to do with things you are right on. This is the Dewayne Robertson/Gholston conversation all over again. Not for nothin, but Kenrick Ellis = bowling ball w/butcher knives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 my point is why does everyone remember the 2 bad draft picks but we take the 10 good ones for granted? Because they are beyond bad. They are guys who haven't contributed AT ALL as jets with high picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 It's because we've all seen this act from you before. A player looks horrible. We all see it. You claim they just need time to develop/try to rationalize that they aren't so bad. Three years later, you realize they actually suck. That has nothing to do with things you are right on. This is the Dewayne Robertson/Gholston conversation all over again. and let me also add Drob started 80+ games, 32 in his first 2 years, including 2 playoff wins, he had over 100 tackles and an avg of 3+ sacks a year until he left the Jets, which he did after his knee basically wore out. As far as draft picks go there are worse draft picks than Drob. For example Jon Sullivan taken 2 picks after Drob was out of the league in less than 3 years. Even Gholston you guys spent hours bashing about how worthless he was, he got signed to the Bears in about 5 minutes after free agency started, and there were other teams in the hunt. I remember threads on this board saying he'd never get another job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 He already had a full year of practicing with NFL players and he looks HORRIBLE. Not good. he had a few months in 2010 and then a lockout from Jan to July. So he's had about 6 months of practice, total. We are talking about a guy who moved to America from Haiti when he was 14 and didn't play football until high school. Vlad's technique being raw isn't surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 he had a few months in 2010 and then a lockout from Jan to July. So he's had about 6 months of practice, total. We are talking about a guy who moved to America from Haiti when he was 14 and didn't play football until high school. Vlad's technique being raw isn't surprising. Right but you would still think there would be some improvement from yr 1 to 2 and if anything he was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Wait, are you saying that Gholston is awesome? Gholston is like Empire in that, in the end, nothing went right for the good guys. Empire ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I agree 100% he looked lost out there...on those sacks he gave up it looked like he was barely able to get a hand on the d-end and watching him try to set up a screen was like watching a chicken run around with its head cut off He worse at chasing chickens than Rocky Balboa. Chickens belong in a fryer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 my point is why does everyone remember the 2 bad draft picks but we take the 10 good ones for granted? Opportunity cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Gholston is like Empire in that, in the end, nothing went right for the good guys. Empire ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ducasse's issues are mental and technique driven. He has the size and strength, but that is all. His feet look like cinder blocks and everything he does has a air of hesitation. He needs to realize that someone is going to seriously get hurt because of him and use it as motivation to improve. Right now, he's beyond terrible at 2 of the 3 most important overall traits of being a successful Offeinsive Lineman. +1 He's not sure of what he's doing, and as a result looks much slower on the field than he actually is. I'm not one to pile on young players, and I'm not going to start with Ducasse. The guy was drafted as a project. He didn't even know what a football was until he was in 11th grade. No one was hurt more by the lockout than Vlad. This guy is in serious need of intense one-on-one coaching. The Jets may've drafted him too high, but that will result in him sticking around beyond this season to get a chance to prove he was worth the pick. In the meantime, I certainly agree that he's not ready for primetime. The Jets definitely need to find additional depth on the waiver wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living. LOL nice Clerks reference let me also add Drob was a 4 pick, Gholston was a 6 pick and Vlad Ducasse was picked 61 overall. But it's a trilogy of failure. next you're gonna tell me that the Scotty McKnight pick will doom the franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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