Bleedin Green Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bit may hold onto his beliefs/outlooks on obvious stiffs too long, but I dont think he's ever struck me as arrogant or anything like that. I can see how you'd think that, as I honestly never had any issues with him for the longest time. That is, until one day when I dared to strongly disagree with him on a topic. It was then that I realized that is all it takes for him to treat people like complete and utter garbage. As long as everyone is praising his vast scouting process he's fine, but don't dare question him... ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 whens the last time you made a call Aten, one way or the other? I don't do calls. I do information. Guessing right isn't the same as being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I can see how you'd think that, as I honestly never had any issues with him for the longest time. That is, until one day when I dared to strongly disagree with him on a topic. It was then that I realized that is all it takes for him to treat people like complete and utter garbage. As long as everyone is praising his vast scouting process he's fine, but don't dare question him... ever. drop it Beeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 drop it Beeg I certainly shouldn't let myself get that annoyed about this, but the fact that I got called out despite not even being in this little argument should tell you all you really need to know. But yeah, I know... you're right. I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Max should start a forum called the Hater's forum you, Rut, Bleed, and other haters can hang out there, bashing everything, contributing nothing whens the last time you made a call Aten, one way or the other? here's how these threads work, Vlad makes mistakes in preseason game 1, it's 9 pages of gloom and doom eventually he becomes a starter and plays ok, no one says boo we've seen this before countless times if a guy isn't instantly good, everyone says he sucks im willing to wait and see Sounds like you talking about Joe McKnight last year. Fair is fair, Bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't do calls. I do information. Guessing right isn't the same as being right. Admit it, you were happy as hell when Pool finally showed up during the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Vlad's problems are technique not his physical gifts. I think there is still potential in this player. Whether Callhan and rex can make him meet his potential, we shall see. tell me how do you improve upon slow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ducasse is so bad he could'nt even win king ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 tell me how do you improve upon slow ? Players speed up significantly when they know what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bears DE Vernon Gholston "hasn’t shown a lot" in training camp.He was similarly invisible in the Bears' preseason opener on Saturday. The epic 2008 draft bust will get a few more chances to prove himself at defensive end in the Bears' 4-3 defense, but the odds he makes the roster are low. Aug 14, 12:38 PMSource: Chicago Tribune lol can't teach an old bust new tricks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Max should start a forum called the Hater's forum you, Rut, Bleed, and other haters can hang out there, bashing everything, contributing nothing Clearly you've never been in the Other Sports forum during basketball season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Sounds like you talking about Joe McKnight last year. Fair is fair, Bit. that is fair. Bleed says i never admit when I was wrong, taht's untrue I've admitted all sort of things. Haters are too blinded by hate to see it or care. But I've admitted wrong on Drob and Gholston. as for McKnight I don't know what he is right now (besides concussed) but he does show flashes of talent. I just don't believe he will ever deliver on his giant potential. Even last night he's good in open space and he gets crushed in pass blocking. His entire college career has been injury prone and underperformed... and that's why they drafted Powell. a guy like Vlad we don't really know what he's capable of... he's so raw yes he could be a bust but he also could not have learned yet. mcKnight was once the best prep running back in the country i don't think he's got more to learn. Unless it's how to be a professional and learn how to be more consistent. but you are right, in the end, McKnight has time to prove he can get better too, as does Vlad. I probably jumped the gun after his vomit comit display at minicamps. smashmouth you asked about how to improve on slow... if a guy is unsure it can manifest as slow. I don't think Vlad is physically slow, in fact he's got very good feet for a guy who is 330. I think he needs to learn more not just about what his assignments are, but what his technique should be. I think there's hope there. If the worst you all can say about me is that i'm overly hopeful about Jets players, I can accept that.. and would rather live on the sunny side of the street. one other note I never said i was a scout, I never pretended to know more than any1 else. If someone else puts that title on me, that's their business. I know I can be stubborn. I've always called myself a fan of the game and a fan of the draft. I've never called myself an expert. I enjoy debate and I often find myself on the devils advocate side of these discussions. That's who I am and I even post with my real name. If people think I am mistreating them, that was not my intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't have any idea how Ducasse will work out and right now he looks like a danger to his teammates, but it has been said that the Lockout would have the worst impact on 2nd year players because of the lack of the much needed full offseason program when players make "the jump." Worse more for 2nd year projects like Ducasse. If anybody on this teem needed OTAs it was him. Don't forget that English is his second language (native of Haiti). He's more like a rookie+ than a 2nd year player. I agree with Slats that he looked clueless at times and I believe the lack of an offseason program is at least partially to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Clearly you've never been in the Other Sports forum during basketball season. LOL. That's so true! It's main redeeming quality is that if led to Falcon's banning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 LOL. That's so true! It's main redeeming quality is that if led to Falcon's banning. bitonti's evaluation of Ducasse vs. Blackout's evaluations of Rondo: Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Dook-a$$ looked like the second coming of Tony Mandarich last night. Big, Slow, and Soft. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ducasse may have potential but the team will have a shorter leash on him than say a Gholston. That's because his play right now has a chance of getting the QB killed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 He played G in Buffalo last year when Hunter played T, right? Feel like he can probably naturally run block fine. So assuming we dont get injuries on the OL, he can be the TE/OL that Callahan likes to use on run plays . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 "Vlad Ducasse broke Robert Turner's leg" i've seen variations on that all day, on several sites I have a hard time subscribing to this theory if we are being technical JJ Watt broke Rob Turner's leg. saying it was Vlad's missed block which led to Mark's step up, which led to JJ Watt rolling up Turner... it's a little 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon for me. YEs it somewhat true but let me re-iterate, JJ Watt broke Rob Turner's leg. That's actually what happened. If JJ Watt wasn't such a beast, it never would have happened. Yes Vlad might be a terrible player but he didn't hurt Robert Turner. It's football not chess we can't think 3 moves ahead. and fwiw i don't think Vlad is the last person JJ watt beats this year. The dude is game-time athletic freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jpf4671 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 "Vlad Ducasse broke Robert Turner's leg" i've seen variations on that all day, on several sites I have a hard time subscribing to this theory if we are being technical JJ Watt broke Rob Turner's leg. saying it was Vlad's missed block which led to Mark's step up, which led to JJ Watt rolling up Turner... it's a little 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon for me. YEs it somewhat true but let me re-iterate, JJ Watt broke Rob Turner's leg. That's actually what happened. If JJ Watt wasn't such a beast, it never would have happened. Yes Vlad might be a terrible player but he didn't hurt Robert Turner. It's football not chess we can't think 3 moves ahead. and fwiw i don't think Vlad is the last person JJ watt beats this year. The dude is game-time athletic freak You're wrong,.JJ Watt can't be an "athletic freak" he's white! He's a high energy guy with a great motor and a tireless work ethic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 J.J Watt is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Players speed up significantly when they know what they're doing. Right. The play that SoFla is complaining about he looked inside - that should be his first look - but he was way too slow to look outside and pick up the actual rusher. It seemed more like he was thinking, "look inside, now look outside, oh sh*t!" I felt the same about Gholston and evidently he either can't or won't speed up, but I don't know if Ducasse can or will. He seems better suited to guard at this point, but they set him up to fail. Take a kid, new to football, played at a small school, switch him from T to G, then tell him to prep at T, no OTAs or camp, then start him at G. Great job! You're a guard! You're a tackle! You're a guard! You suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Right. The play that SoFla is complaining about he looked inside - that should be his first look - but he was way too slow to look outside and pick up the actual rusher. It seemed more like he was thinking, "look inside, now look outside, oh sh*t!" I felt the same about Gholston and evidently he either can't or won't speed up, but I don't know if Ducasse can or will. He seems better suited to guard at this point, but they set him up to fail. Take a kid, new to football, played at a small school, switch him from T to G, then tell him to prep at T, no OTAs or camp, then start him at G. Great job! You're a guard! You're a tackle! You're a guard! You suck! Well, to be fair to the CS. They were without both the starting G and C. Turner is primarily a backup C that can also fill in at G if need be. Ducasse is primarily a T (though not a great one yet) that can not so adequately fill in at G. Basically, what Im trying to say, is that Turner is both the backup C and G. Ducasse is the backup T and 3rd string G. Since Turner had to start at C, Ducasse was forced to step in at G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Well, to be fair to the CS. They were without both the starting G and C. Turner is primarily a backup C that can also fill in at G if need be. Ducasse is primarily a T (though not a great one yet) that can not so adequately fill in at G. Basically, what Im trying to say, is that Turner is both the backup C and G. Ducasse is the backup T and 3rd string G. Since Turner had to start at C, Ducasse was forced to step in at G. Agreed, but nobody wants to be fair to Ducasse, why the **** should we be fair to the CS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Huge project Olineman with a 2nd rounder when all we had was 4 picks... Tanny takes a hit for 2010. He's been falling back to Earth lately. I'm thinking this line issue could either be his downfall or his finest hour depending on who he gets into green and white before Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 J.J Watt is a beast. +1. I wanted him in the draft. Dookie-a$$ is a bust face it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 +1. I wanted him in the draft. Dookie-a$$ is a bust face it. He's a bust? WTF? He looked like sh*t. Big deal. Winston Justice has looked worse and he was slated to start the season at RT for the offseason champion Philadelphia Eagles. Oh my! A project looked like sh*t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 He's a bust? WTF? He looked like sh*t. Big deal. Winston Justice has looked worse and he was slated to start the season at RT for the offseason champion Philadelphia Eagles. Oh my! A project looked like sh*t! 4 sacks gave up in one game is beyond a project. Thats an arena league player. Bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 4 sacks gave up in one game is beyond a project. Thats an arena league player. Bust. It's four now? You sure it's not 15? Justice gave 3 in a series to Osi and people here had suggested that the Jets should have drafted Leinart and then Justice in the 2nd instead of Clemens and Brick. He probably will be a bust, but you saying it doesn't make it true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 It's four now? You sure it's not 15? Justice gave 3 in a series to Osi and people here had suggested that the Jets should have drafted Leinart and then Justice in the 2nd instead of Clemens and Brick. He probably will be a bust, but you saying it doesn't make it true. why would you defend this waste of space that nearly killed both Sanchez and McElroy? He's easily the worst OL since Adrien Clarke in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Guy was one of the very last picks in the second round. Regardless of how bad he does or doesn't suck, does that even fall into the category of being eligible to reach the status of "bust"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 why would you defend this waste of space that nearly killed both Sanchez and McElroy? He's easily the OL since Adrien Clarke in 2007. He is a young project with huge upside. He had a horrible game. Jumping up and down chanting bust isn't going to make that change. OTOH, cutting him would be incredibly stupid and shortsighted. He may eventually turn into a starting quality player, particularly at G. This is a Haitian kid that didn't play football until a few years ago and went to UMass. He didn't know if he was playing G or T and had to play both in the same game. The reason you draft projects is to develop them. If you want win that's what you do. PS: I find it amusing that you ask how I could defend Ducasse when you are defending Aaron Maybin in another thread. That useless scrub can't even get within 25 pounds of his playing weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Guy was one of the very last picks in the second round. Regardless of how bad he does or doesn't suck, does that even fall into the category of being eligible to reach the status of "bust"? When he plays upto the level of an undrafted free agent i'd say yes. Felix was undrafted and out played him last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 He is a young project with huge upside. He had a horrible game. Jumping up and down chanting bust isn't going to make that change. OTOH, cutting him would be incredibly stupid and shortsighted. He may eventually turn into a starting quality player, particularly at G. This is a Haitian kid that didn't play football until a few years ago and went to UMass. He didn't know if he was playing G or T and had to play both in the same game. The reason you draft projects is to develop them. If you want win that's what you do. PS: I find it amusing that you ask how I could defend Ducasse when you are defending Aaron Maybin in another thread. That useless scrub can't even get within 25 pounds of his playing weight. Rex can get him to be a player imo. Rex cant save someone on the oline that Callahan cant get to follow schemes or pickup the correct blitzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Rex can get him to be a player imo. Rex cant save someone on the oline that Callahan cant get to follow schemes or pickup the correct blitzer. Rex is going to turn Maybin into Shawn Merriman, but he can't get improvement from somebody who has had under 1 year of top level coaching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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