Trading Up ? ?... how much ? ? ?

[kelly]

A review of the 10 teams who traded up for quarterbacks the last 10 years - PhillyVoice
The perception about trading up for quarterbacks has become that the cost has to be extraordinarily high. That's because in 2012, the Redskins traded the sixth-overall pick, the 39th-overall pick, their 2013 first-round pick, and their 2014 first-round pick forRobert Griffin III. The Redskins altered expectations of what draft compensation should be when trading up for a quarterback, because they're the Redskins and they're stupid. However, it doesn't have to be that bad.

 

Eagles Working Out Goff - Iggles Blitz
QB is a unique position. If you find the right guy, you can change the fortunes of your organization for years to come. Just think about the impact Donovan McNabb had on the Eagles. No titles, but consistently good teams. You can have a great DE like J.J. Wattor an elite WR like Calvin Johnson or a stud LT like Joe Thomas. Those guys have been through plenty of losing seasons. If the Eagles think Goff is a franchise QB, then taking him at 8 is a no-brainer. The Packers took Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round when Brett Favre was still very good. That pick kept them one of the best teams in the league even after losing a Hall of Fame QB in Favre. QB is the most important position in pro spots. Just because you have Sam Bradford doesn’t mean you should pass on a young player you believe in. If Bradford somehow becomes one of the best QBs in the league and Goff is stuck on the bench…that’s kind of a good problem to have, right?

Eagles Wake-Up Call: Potential Cap Casualties - Birds 24/7
I also don’t expect Jason Kelce to be cut next season, but he has a savings number worth noting — $3.8 million — and that may come up if he doesn’t bounce back in 2016. I thinkRyan Mathews is the most likely of these three to be cut — or traded — in 2017 because of his injury history, and it’s fair to expect him to take a step back after averaging more than five yards per carry last season. However, if he stays healthy and can handle a largerworkload this year, he’ll be worth keeping around.

Eric Rowe ready to start for Eagles after the trade of Byron Maxwell - NJ.com
"If I do win the starting job," Rowe said to NJ Advance Media, "I am very confident about the season." Rowe, like the rest of the NFL, was stunned the Eagles moved on from Maxwell after just one season.  "I was shocked," Rowe said of the trade. "I wasn't expecting him to be traded after they just signed him. He was one of the guys who took me under his wing. It hurt to see him go."

Early Birds: Doug Pederson on the cornerbacks; Pederson's first league meetings - Inquirer
The Eagles have added depth to the cornerback spot, but they don’t have elite talent at that position. They traded top cornerback Byron Maxwell, re-signed Nolan Carroll, and added Leodis McKelvin and Ron Brooks. The Eagles could further address the position in the draft – an instant starting-caliber cornerback could be on the board at No. 8 – but if they add only a developmental cornerback in the draft, then the top options would beEric Rowe, Carroll, and McKelvin. That position remains a question mark – although Pederson seemed pleased with what’s on the roster.

How New NFL Rules Could Impact Eagles - PE.com
It's a slow news days around the NovaCare Complex so instead of the micro picture of the Philadelphia Eagles, let's expand the vision and discuss how the NFL's nine new rule alterations for 2016 could impact this football team ...

 

Eagles draft targets at 8: Could Joey Bosa fall? - CSN Philly
At one time, Joey Bosa was being forecasted to go as high as first overall in the 2016 NFL draft. But as the big weekend draws nearer, Bosa's stock is slipping to the point where several mocks are projecting the Ohio State defensive end could be available when the Eagles are on the clock at number eight. Can the club afford to pass on a potential talent that ESPN's Scouts Inc. has ranked as the top prospect in this year's class?

On RG3, Rules and the NFL’s Reaction to the Latest Concussion Story - The MMQB
Now that Turner is gone, I find myself wondering: How much better off would he have been had his career come 20 years later? I ask that because Turner told me the day we spoke about a game on Sept. 7, 1997, against Green Bay, when he was an Eagle. He suffered a concussion that day, and the difference in the attention paid to concussions then compared to now seems particularly stark.

If you're going to draft a QB, don't let him sit - Sports on Earth
For years, the NFL and the media that covers it have invariably proposed that franchises with aging quarterbacks use a premium draft pick to acquire potential successors. The problem is, it may not work.

Ronnie Stanley could be the best tackle in the 2016 NFL Draft - SB Nation
Mississippi's Laremy Tunsil is definitely the better athlete and may have as much upside as any offensive tackle in the draft this year. However, when push comes to shove, retiredNFL defensive end says he'd take Notre Dame's Ronnie Stanley before Tunsil.

 

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[Ex-Rex]

You ask the question then deliver a bunch of noise about the Eagles? WTF??!! Unless Mo is included in a trade up it wold be too costly and Mac wants more picks not laying his draft on one or two players.

[kelly]

NFL Draft Needs : Jets

No. 1 Team Need : Quarterback

Silva's Analysis

As contract talks with free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick remain at a standstill, the Jets' quarterback room is presently comprised of only failed 2013 second-round pick Geno Smith and raw 2015 fourth-rounder Bryce Petty. New York can solidify this position in the short term by re-signing Fitzpatrick, but the Jets' search for a long-term solution should not end there. OC Chan Gailey runs a four-wide Pistol Spread offense wherein the quarterback's primary responsibility is getting the ball out quickly to feed the Jets' big-bodied playmakers.

 No. 2 Team Need: Offensive Line

Silva's Analysis
When/if they get Fitzpatrick re-signed, offensive line will move to the forefront of Jets needs. GM Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles have been noncommittal on declining 32-year-old LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson's status with the 2016 team, while RT Breno Giacomini and RG Brian Winters were 2015 liabilities. C Nick Mangold is 32 years old. The Jets' offensive line depth is suspect enough that multiple draft picks in the front five would not be a surprise.

 No. 3 Team Need: Linebacker

Silva's Analysis
 Cornerback can also be argued as a need for Gang Green with slot man Buster Skrine penciled in opposite Darrelle Revis, who showed signs of decline last year and turns 31 before the season. The Jets do have talented bodies there, however, with ballhawk Marcus Williams, 2013 top-ten pick Dee Milliner and 2014 third-rounder Dexter McDougle in reserve. Although New York has high hopes for Lorenzo Mauldin, outside linebacker is a bigger weakness with next to nothing behind him. Inside linebacker could also use an infusion of young talent behind David Harris, 32, and Erin Henderson, 30 in July.

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[Rangers9]

To just trade up to overall 7th you'd have to (according to the draft value chart) give up this year's 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I don't think Mac with many needs would do it unless a guy like Goff is still on the board. Plus you'd probably need more money to pay him even with a rookie contract.

[kelly]

The Tennessee Titans are fielding offers for the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft. As they should.

After all, if a team is willing to sell the farm in order to make sure they get their top prospect no matter what, the Titans should accept the deal. They’ve got more holes than one, so why not move down a bit ?

According to a report from Draft Insider, the Jets are among the “dark horse” candidates poking around about getting that selection from the Titans. So, let’s break that down a bit, and analyze if it’s a legit, real possibility.

Will the Jets really be the first team on the clock come the end of April ?

Are the Jets really making the call?

When Mike Maccagnan was originally introduced as the Jets GM, one of the better parts of his press conferences was the honesty in which he spoke. There were no cliches, bloated sentences or any beating around the bush. If you asked a question, within reason, Maccagnan would answer it.One of the subjects Maccagnan– someone who cut his teeth in the scouting department of teams– spoke in depth about was his strategy as it pertained to the NFL Draft. He said he believed in taking the “best player available.” When asked about trades, Maccagnan dropped a bit of a hint that is now directly related to these reported conversations.

Here’s his exact quote, and an example of why it’s always good to save those transcripts email out by the Jets media relations :

“Well, in terms of the draft, it all heats up at the very last minute. The way that all the back channel stuff works is you kind of find out what the price is for certain picks, like we literally talked to every team in front of us and we literally talked to every team behind us. We had multiple people calling at times it seemed like. We realized that at the point in time, when Tennessee took the player they wanted, they had a lot of interest in that pick from what I understood, and I think for them it was going to take a very large offer to get that pick, and at that point in time, we researched it and decided to sit tight where we were and see what fell to us.”

Maccagnan is going to make the call to the Titans to see what they would want for the top pick in the draft. So, if the Jets decide to make that call, they will. Good GMs do that. Maccagnan, in his very short time with the Jets, is beginning to show he’s one of them.

Should the Jets trade up for the top pick?

The Jets do not know if they have a franchise quarterback on the roster. They don’t. Even if Ryan Fitzpatrick is brought back to the team,he’s not the“franchise quarterback,”but more of a stop-gap  fix.

  Is Geno Smith that player ?

Maybe, but it’s largely unknown. Is Bryce Petty? Maybe, but, like Geno, it’s largely unknown.If the Jets believe that Carson Wentz or Jared Goff, two players likely going within the top three-to-five picks, are an unquestioned franchise quarterback, maybe that entices them to move up. For what it will cost (more on that below) to go from 20 to 1, the real only justification is if you’re going to get a franchise quarterback. You don’t give up what the Jets would have to give for any other position.

Moving up is a risk, obviously, and one that should only be taken if the Jets are undoubtedly certainly of what they’re getting back. If they’re ready to go all-in on one of this year’s top signal callers, make the move, and don’t look back. Ignore the back page headlines that will either be praising or crucifying you. Make the move. Trust your gut. However, if there is even the slightest doubt that the player you’re taking won’t develop. . . you can’t pull the trigger. You just can’t make that move.

How much would it cost for the Jets to get the top pick?

Hah, yeah, about that . . . Is “a fortune” a strong enough word? Because it would likely cost two of those, if that’s a thing.Actually, the fact the Titans are the ones holding the No. 1 pick in the draft is useful considering they were shopping the No. 2 pick just 12 months ago. They got quite the offer too from the Philadelphia Eagles. And they declined it.The Eagles, like the Jets this year, held the No. 20 pick in the draft. So, what did Philly offer to go up from No. 20 to No. 2? No, this is not a joke.

According to reports from both NFL Network and Sports Illustrated the Eagles offered :

• Their first-round picks in the 2015 and 2016 NFL Drafts
• A second- and third-round pick.
• Any quarterback on the roster (Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez)
• CB Brandon Boykin
• DE/DL Fletcher Cox

Yeah . . . and that was just to go from No. 20 to No. 2. The Jets would have to go even higher in order to grab the top spot in the draft.Taking that exact deal and translating it to the Jets roster, that would essentially be New York offering their first-round picks in the 2016 and 2017 NFL Drafts, a second-round pick and a third-round pick, Petty or Smith, Marcus Williams and Muhammad Wilkerson.

For a team that’s on the cusp of a Super Bowl, maybe you pull the trigger knowing you’re one piece away. But the Jets? They aren’t one piece away. They need a pass rusher, quarterback, offensive line help, receiver depth, a tight end and some secondary insurance.Mortgaging the future for a player that will fill one of eight holes? That’s not a smart idea. And again, that above picture is just mimicking the deal the Titans declined last year.

Final words?

There’s no doubt the Jets made the call to the Titans. None. Maccagnan is doing is job, and opening each and every door prior to the draft. He doesn’t want to get caught with his pants down, so he’s preparing for every possible situation.That includes staying pat, moving down, and, of course, finding out a way to get the top pick in the draft.But playing realistic for a bit, it’s likely not going to happen. Right now, for where the Jets are, they simply don’t have the assets to move that high up in the draft.

Well, technically they do. But not without sacrificing their foreseeable future.       

>     http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/04/11/should-could-and-how-much-it-would-cost-for-jets-to-get-top-pick-in-nfl-draft/

[kelly]

The New York Jets are doing their homework on the top quarterbacks in the draft, fueling the annual "Will they or won't they?" hysteria as the big day draws near.

The latest development : Former Cal quarterback Jared Goff is scheduled to visit the Jets this week, according to the NFL Network. The Jets have already met with Penn State's Christian Hackenberg, and they will be welcoming Memphis'Paxton Lynch later in the week. Goff is interesting because he's widely regarded as the No. 2 quarterback prospect in the draft, behind North Dakota State's Carson Wentz. Little-known fact: The Jets sent two scouts to the Cal campus last August to watch Goff in a preseason practice.

Most mock drafts have Goff being picked anywhere from second (Cleveland Browns) to seventh (San Francisco 49ers). There appears to be little chance he will tumble all the way to the Jets at 20. But you never know. In 2005, another Cal passer (some guy named Aaron Rodgers) stunningly slipped all the way to 24th. He, too, was projected as a top-5 pick.Chances are, the Jets are performing due diligence, but I do believe they'd consider a trade-up scenario if they felt it would secure a franchise-type quarterback. With Ryan Fitzpatrick still unsigned and with Bryce Petty still in the "project" phase of his development, there's a definite need for short- and long-term answers. The erratic Geno Smith has only one year left on his contract.

This is where Muhammad Wilkerson enters the discussion.

The Jets are open to trading Wilkerson, especially if it allows them to draft a quarterback. Let's consider a scenario: If Goff slips to 11th (Chicago Bears), would the Jets try to jump up nine spots by dangling Wilkerson? The Bears have the need and the cap room for Wilkerson, who is currently eating up $15.7 million in cap space on the franchise tag, but the two sides would have to agree to a long-term contract to make it happen. It also would take more than the 11th pick to satisfy the Jets. How 'bout the Bears' first-rounder in 2017, along with the 11th pick this year, for the 20th pick and Wilkerson?General manager Mike Maccagnan has only six picks, and he'd like to come out of this draft with at least six players. If one of those players is the first- or second-best quarterback ... well, it sounds like something he'd consider.

And then we can explore the issue of Goff's small hands.

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[Obrien2Toon]

Unless it's for Wentz, I wouldn't even think about it 

[kelly]

A look at what's happening around the New York Jets :

1. Trade-up possibility : The Jets are approaching the NFL draft as if they're outside a nightclub with a VIP card, flashing it in an attempt to jump the line and get into the big room. There's a name on the card :Muhammad Wilkerson.Wilkerson is their entree into the top 10, the bargaining chip that could allow them to improve their current position, 20th. Because of their surplus at defensive end, the Jets see Wilkerson as a movable asset. They see a trade as a cap-clearing, need-filling measure, and that's why they're exploring potential trade-up scenarios.

In my opinion, the only way a Wilkerson trade makes sense is if he brings back a quarterback, Jared Goff or Carson Wentz. In that case, you could justify dealing your best defensive player, who still is only 26 years old. Otherwise, it's just a glorified fire sale unless they get blown away by an offer, which is unlikely.If the Jets walk away with one of this class' top two quarterbacks, they will have successfully used Wilkerson to address a decades-old issue: The franchise-quarterback void.

The wild card is Paxton Lynch, widely regarded as the No. 3 quarterback. The Jets are showing interest -- a staffer was buzzing about his arm strength at his wind-swept pro day -- but they might not have to trade up for him because he could slip to 20. Lynch is considered less NFL-ready than Goff and Wentz, so I'm not sure if he'd be worth a trade that includes Wilkerson.Just because the Jets are motivated, there's no guarantee a trade will happen. The unsigned Wilkerson has the franchise tag, which means it takes three to tango. Both the Jets and Wilkerson have to find a team willing to meet his contractual demands and surrender compensation to the Jets. Easier said than executed.

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[bealeb319]

Would love a trade up to snag lynch. I genuinely believe he is the best qb in this draft. A trade for wilkerson wouldn't make sense to get lynch but maybe we could give up wilkerson for a later round pick to draft Eli Apple who would be a good compliment to revis and patch up a hole we need to fill.

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