Jets News Articles 11/ 25

[Kentucky Jet]

Jets are worst show in Big Apple - NY DAILY NEWS - Mike Lupica

Sunday, November 25th 2007, 4:00 AM

Think about this: Think about the fact that going into Saturday's Knicks-Bulls game at the Garden, the Jets had the same record as the Knicks. And that really means the Jets are worse, because they were in the playoffs last season, and that gave their fans some hope, and Knick fans never have that anymore.

Now the Jets show up on national television on Thursday and barely compete against the Cowboys, a first-round loser in the playoffs, same as Eric Mangini's Jets were last January, but a team with a real quarterback now, one that looks ready to make a Super Bowl run this January.

To use an old Parcells expression, we anointed everybody, starting with the new coach, when the Jets did make their playoff run a year ago. And right now the only difference between Eric Mangini and somebody like Isiah Thomas is that Mangini doesn't hear it from his fans the way Thomas does.

Mangini has no offense and he has a kid, Kellen Clemens, at quarterback, and guess what? The coach has no idea whether the kid has the real goods to be a real NFL quarterback or not. He still made the move off Chad Pennington, and one of the things that did, whether Mangini wants to admit that or not, was make this all seem as if Pennington were the cause of this disaster.

As if it is Pennington's fault that Thomas Jones still doesn't have a rushing touchdown and Mangini's team has managed just 14 offensive touchdowns in 11 games.

And maybe it is Pennington's fault that most Sundays the most dangerous offensive threat is Leon Washington.

I did what everybody did late Thanksgiving afternoon and watched most of the Jets game to see if they were as bad as their record, even coming off their best moment of the year, an upset of the Steelers.

They are worse.

If they lose to the 0-10 Dolphins next Sunday in Miami, it will be one of the low points the franchise has had in a long time. For now, before the NFL version of that college game between 1-9 Duke and 1-9 Notre Dame the other weekend, the Jets are the single biggest disappointment in their league this season.

The Giants got up when they were 0-2. The Jets went down early, got to one knee against the Steelers, and then stayed down when they got hit by the Cowboys.

"I don't think the (quarterback) change was necessarily an indictment of any one person," Mangini said the other day.

Good, because this is on him.

If you are a Jets fan, if you have really followed them this season, tell me you're still sure this thing is going in the right direction.

We have had a lot happen around here since the middle of September, and so much of it has made you remember a line from the great Dan Jenkins, about how it ain't all bluebirds and lemonade in the bigtime.

We had the collapse of the Mets, the worst that any New York baseball team has ever suffered. We had the sexual harassment judgment against James Dolan and Isiah Thomas, one of the most shameful events in the history of Madison Square Garden.

Then we had all the drama around the Yankees, who lost in the first round again and then lost Joe Torre and nearly lost A-Rod before they gained him back, money-whipping him in the end the way they did Jorge Posada and Mo Rivera.

We have had this sparkling beginning from the Knicks, the soundtrack to that being the loudest and worst chants to fire a coach the Garden has ever heard, whether Dolan himself hears them or not.

Somehow, buried underneath that, the way they are buried at the bottom of the AFC along with teams like the Dolphins and Raiders, is how truly awful the Jets have been this season, how they have really only been noticed outside Giants Stadium because Mangini blew the whistle on a cameraman working the sidelines for his old boss, Bill Belichick.

They could have worn those old Titans jerseys all season, because they have turned into them. They better beat the Dolphins next Sunday, and their fans better see something from Clemens the rest of the way. So many storylines in sports the last few months, so many of them bad. The Jets being this bad wasn't supposed to be one of them.

Eleven months after the new young coach took the Jets into Foxborough for a playoff game, Mangini's team has a chance to go back there and look more than ever like the one thing it wasn't ever supposed to be this season:

Same. Old. Jets.

Forget about the Knicks. Mangini's players play a whole season the way the Mets finished.

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Knick fans just assume these days that the L's in the middle of James L. Dolan and Isiah L. Thomas now stand for, well, "Loser."

Right?

Knick fans must also wish that the people in charge of the place were as obsessed about restoring luster to the team and the place as they are with the media.

Obsessed or just paranoid, pick your poison.

Oh boy, we hear so much about Dolan's so-called "media policy."

And, oh boy, is it ever working for him, because there isn't an owner in sports who gets media the way James L. Dolan does.

The latest example was the way the Garden reacted to the story in this paper about Thomas briefly kicking his players out of practice the other day.

It is something that happens all the time in basketball, from high school to the pros, and it happened with the Knicks.

Only they couldn't admit that and move on, because in media-related matters they never can.

They had to label it as a "hoax."

Sure it was.

It is starting to reach the point where you think some people lie over there just to stay sharp.

They hate leaks at the Garden until they want to leak something themselves, of course.

Then it's all hands on deck.

Colorado put up 65 points on Nebraska on Friday and there was a time, under Bob Devaney and Tom Osborne, where you used to think opponents didn't score that many off Nebraska in a season.

It is worth noting, now that order has been restored with the Yankees, now that A-Rod and Posada and Rivera ARE coming back, that in the last month or so our Yankees have been on one of the historic spending sprees in baseball history.

They ponied up nearly $400 million for three players, and if you can find another time when somebody topped that, feel free to send up a flare.

The Yankees are getting younger.

Just not more frugal.

Right?

Kevin Garnett really could take the Celtics from where they were last season all the way to the NBA Finals, and there only have been a handful of moves in the history of pro basketball where one trade did that.

I know he's not a Giant anymore, but I still root for Visanthe Shiancoe just because he carries around one of my favorite names in sports.

Nick Saban invoking Sept. 11 in any way to add context to a loss in college football is just the latest example, but not the last, of how out-of-touch some football coaches really are.

The Mets are going to make a big play for somebody before pitchers and catchers report, right?

Announcers on the Garden's payroll seem more afraid to mention Dolan's name than they are of a stock market crash.

I don't want to suggest that hockey isn't the national pastime in New York, but we got three hockey game stories onto half-a-page in yesterday's paper.

Hey, newsprint still costs money.

When the Patriots do play the Jets in Foxborough three weeks from today, the over-under number just for the Patriots is going to look like something that should belong to the Phoenix Suns.

Who would have thought at the start of the season that a Coach Mangino (Mark, Kansas) would turn out to be this year's Coach Mangenius?

[Kentucky Jet]

On Oct. 20, the phone rings in Sam Budnyk's home in Boca Raton, Fla. One of his former high school players, Abram Elam, is calling from a hotel in Cincinnati, where the Jets are staying on the eve of facing the Bengals.

"Guess what, Coach?" the excited voice says. "I'm starting."

The old coach turns to mush. He puts down the phone, his eyes welling with tears. In an instant, images flicker in his mind as he retraces Elam's difficult journey from too-good-to-be-true schoolboy star to fallen hero to starting NFL safety.

Budnyk sees the eager kid who would show up every day at 6:45 a.m. for double sessions - an hour before his teammates. He sees the little boy who sat in the school chaplain's office, sobbing uncontrollably after his 12 year-old-sister was shot dead. He sees the young man who went off to Notre Dame, so proud, so full of promise, only to return two years later, shamed.

Now he hears Elam's voice on the line, and Budnyk chokes up. His wife, nearby, sees him and fears someone has died. To him, it's just the opposite. He considers this a rebirth.

"I'm so proud of him," Budnyk says now.

"This," Elam tells reporters after his first pro start, "is a dream come true."

For a 26-year-old woman in Boston, those words - dream come true - revive dormant emotions. His dream is her nightmare.

* * *

This is a story that will make you stand up and cheer or slam your fist into a table.

Elam, who rose above a crime-ravaged neighborhood in Riviera Beach, Fla., and endured family tragedies and refused to surrender when his career seemed over, has emerged as a solid starter for the Jets. He's coming off the best game of career, a seven tackle performance on Thanksgiving against the Cowboys, his former team.

This should be a feel-good story, but there's another side to it.

In April 2002, a Notre Dame junior named Lindsay Charles accused three football players of raping her at an off-campus house. A fourth, Elam, wasn't charged with rape, but was in the bedroom. Elam fondled her and wound up being convicted of sexual battery, a felony. The others walked away, no convictions.

Charles walked away a psychological mess, friends say, so afraid of retribution in the football-obsessed Notre Dame community that she legally changed her last name while finishing her undergraduate work. (She has since returned to her real name.) Years later, when Elam resurfaced, so did she, waging a smear campaign against him wherever he showed up on the football map.

I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about Abram Elam," Charles writes in an E-mail to the Daily News. "I am disappointed that an NFL team would sign a convicted sex offender, when there must be other talented men who have not committed heinous crimes. He belongs in a jail cell, not on the gridiron."

Elam is "a paper tiger," says Kathy Redmond, founder of the National Coalition Against Violent Athletes. She acknowledges that Elam "inflicted the least amount of damage" of the four, but she says his most egregious crime was not trying to stop the alleged rape and refusing to testify against the others.

"He could've made a difference if he had shown some courage, telling the whole story the way it really happened without having to feel like he ratted out his boys," says Redmond, who has worked closely with Charles since the incident.

With a hint of hopefulness in her voice, she adds, "There's no statute of limitations on him doing the right thing."

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There are two versions of what happened that fateful night, March 28, 2002. At Elam's trial, which made big headlines in the staid Midwest, the two sides portrayed the incident as being either gang rape or consensual group sex.

According to various accounts, including the police report, Elam went out that night to a local bar. Afterward, he and his roommate, Lorenzo Crawford, went to the home of Justin Smith, who had just completed his career at Notre Dame. Smith was watching a movie ("Cruel Intentions") with Charles, a former team manager. Another player, Donald Dykes, was present with another woman.

Charles and Smith ended up in his bedroom. Elam followed them upstairs. According to her testimony, Elam refused to leave and forced his fingers inside her. She said Smith raped her. By now, Crawford had joined in. Elam stripped to his shorts and fondled her breasts. He left the room. Dykes entered.

Five days later, Charles reported the attack. All four men were expelled from school. Elam was the first to stand trial, where he was found not guilty of the most serious charges, conspiracy to commit rape and criminal deviate conduct. But the sexual-battery charge stuck.

Dykes was acquitted of all charges. Smith's and Crawford's case never got to trial; their charges were dropped. Despite a tearful plea from Charles, who asked the judge to impose jail time, Elam received two years' probation and community service. No prison.

"There is no just punishment for rape," Charles writes, "but certainly his sentence and its consequences do not even come close to being fair."

At the time, Elam claimed the sex was consensual, telling the court, "No way that night (she) was forced to do anything against her will

[Kentucky Jet]

Are Jets as bad as 2-9 their record indicates?

BY TOM ROCK | tom.rock@newsday.com

November 25, 2007

The season began innocently enough, with the sweet strains of Mozart wafting over a practice field. It was downright tranquil.

Eric Mangini had read an article about classical music increasing the brain's capacity to learn, so he figured he'd try it out on his football team. In the four months since that late-July morning, however, almost all of the notes have soured. Now the Jets will plod through the final five games of their season with the pounding of a funeral dirge as the soundtrack.

The 2006 season began with anxiety and ended in the playoffs. The 2007 season opened with optimism - a healthy quarterback, a promising new running back, the return of a defense that bolted to attention in the second half of the previous year - and has sunk to this: The Jets have two wins in 11 games. They were just shellacked on national television. They very well could be an underdog to a winless team in their next game.

In terms of expectations and results, the Jets clearly are one of the NFL's biggest disappointments. In fact, considering those elements and the relative lack of injuries until recently, when the ship already had begun to take on water, it may be the most disappointing season in Jets history.

That's saying a lot.

And it begs the question: How did they get here? How did the Jets go from the playoffs to a punch line? From Mozart to moribund?

Although Mangini will say that each year is its own entity, there is a big picture that can be considered, and perhaps the success of 2006 was not the charm it was considered to be. Had the Jets flopped as expected in Mangini's first year, it would have been easier to turn the entire franchise over from top to bottom. Shake up the roster, bring in people who fit the schemes and philosophies that were being preached, and bid farewell to the square pegs.

But after a 10-6 season, the Jets often bragged that they would be bringing back 21 of 22 starters - without really considering who those starters were.

The Jets plugged some gaping holes in the offseason by trading for Thomas Jones and drafting Darrelle Revis. But they assumed (as many of us did) that the players who improved in 2006 would get even better in 2007.

Instead, Bryan Thomas has 1 1/2 sacks, not the 8 1/2 he had last year. Kerry Rhodes has one sack and three interceptions and, unlike last year, shouldn't be anticipating an invitation to Hawaii in his mailbox.

"The key to success in 2007 will still come down to two very familiar players: Chad Pennington and Jonathan Vilma."

That's not a quote from a player or coach. It's a key sentence from Newsday's season preview that ran in early September, when the term Spygate was just the front entrance to CIA headquarters and everyone was in agreement that parity in the NFL would never allow for either an undefeated or winless team.

Now those two players mentioned are unlikely to see the field again this season and could be wearing other uniforms when they return for 2008.

Vilma, before he suffered a season-ending knee injury, told us that you shouldn't expect a linebacker in the 3-4 scheme to rack up tackles the way he did in his first two seasons, leading the league in the unofficial stat in 2005. But in just the first two games replacing him, rookie David Harris posted only two fewer tackles than Vilma had in the previous seven games.

Who knew Pennington, who built a career on game management, would suffer through the worst turnover spate of his career and be sent to the bench after throwing seven interceptions in four games and not providing an offensive touchdown against the Bills? Kellen Clemens may be the long-term answer, but he hasn't provided much of a short-term solution.

Who knew Jones would head into December without a touchdown as a Jet? Remarkably, Jones is on pace to rush for more than 1,100 yards this season. But he's had more games rushing for fewer than 50 yards (five) than he has rushing for more than 100 (three).

Almost every question that can be asked about this team comes back to the roster. Why not play smash-mouth football? Because there are no mouth-smashers. Why not throw the ball deep more often? Because there aren't receivers who can beat cornerbacks on a regular basis and anyway, there isn't a quarterback who can put that kind of pass on the spot.

Why not play more four-man defensive fronts? Because by the time this team is ready to win, the players who are struggling to adjust to the scheme will be gone and new ones sculpted for the task will take their place.

By the beginning of next season, the Jets likely will go through the purge they should have forced this past offseason. Some of the trimmed branches still will be viable; Pennington and Vilma, both considered goners, likely will have success (or at least the chance of it) with other teams and could fetch some value in trades. If nothing else, the Jets' continued downfall proves what many people agreed to at the time: that it wasn't all Pennington's fault. Other veterans also could get the ax. Should get the ax.

Although it's never been voiced as such, all indications are that the Jets and their current management were never interested in winning Super Bowl XLI. And they probably couldn't care less about Super Bowl XLII or XLIII. They seem to be gearing up for Super Bowl XLIV, whether that means clearing cap space, bringing in short-term veterans to hold places on defense, trading Pete Kendall for draft picks who should just be flourishing at the time Kendall signs his retirement papers, or sticking with the 3-4 defensive scheme at the cost of current success.

Why else would everyone from the coach to the general manager to the owner talk about liking the direction of the franchise and sticking to the plan during this forsaken season?

When the sun rises on 2008's training camp, perhaps there will be increased optimism. Perhaps there will be new faces in key places. There ought to be a sense of improvement, at least inching toward that ultimate goal.

Whether or not it's to the strains of Mozart or some other soundtrack remains to be seen and heard.

SIMPLY THE WORST

The 2007 Jets are 2-9 and could wind up as one of the worst teams in a franchise history bulging with disappointment. Only one other Jets team has failed to win three games in any season. A look at some of the most arduous Jets years:

Season Record Head Coach Leading Passer Leading Rusher

1996 1-15 Rich Kotite Frank Reich Adrian Murrell

1995 3-13 Rich Kotite Boomer Esiason Adrian Murrell

1977 3-11 Walt Michaels Richard Todd Clark Gaines

1976 3-11 Lou Holtz (M. Holovak) Joe Namath Clark Gaines

1975 3-11 Charley Winner Joe Namath John Riggins

2005 4-12 Herm Edwards Brooks Bollinger Curtis Martin

1992 4-12 Bruce Coslet Browning Nagle Brad Baxter

1989 4-12 Joe Walton Ken O'Brien Johnny Hector

1980 4-12 Walt Michaels Richard Todd Scott Dierking

1973 4-10 Weeb Ewbank Al Woodall Emerson Boozer

1970 4-10 Weeb Ewbank Al Woodall Emerson Boozer

[Kentucky Jet]

Jets' problems go beyond this season's record

Bob Glauber

November 25, 2007

In the long and tortured annals of Jets catastrophes, this one ranks right up there with the worst of them.

They're 2-9 after a 34-3 Thanksgiving Day beating in Dallas, where the whole country got to see just how woeful they are.

They're at Miami next Sunday with a chance to further their ignominy with a loss to the winless Dolphins.

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Steelers fans came close to outnumbering Jets fans at last Sunday's home game.

Then there was last week's infamous "Gate D" calamity, in which the boorish behavior of male fans urging female patrons to lift their shirts came to light in all its decadent detail.

Even 1-15 in 1996 didn't seem quite this bad.

You can chalk this up to a who'd-a-thunk-it year on the field, but all the disturbing moments combined ought to give Jets executives reason to be concerned about the potential long-term ramifications.

For starters, there is reason to question whether coach Eric Mangini and general manager Mike Tannenbaum are up to the job. They collaborated brilliantly during last season's 10-6 playoff run, but a drop-off this precipitous is cause for concern. Both are entitled to fight their way out of this mess, and it's too soon to replace either man. Even so, it's unsettling at best to see what has happened this year.

The fan issue is of equal importance. The Gate D fiasco surely taints the family-friendly atmosphere the Jets are trying to promote. With the team pulling up stakes from its Hofstra training facility in two years, the Jets are risking further alienation of the Long Island fan base that has been its core from the beginning. The new stadium at the Meadowlands poses further risk of a diminution of interest, especially when the fans find out they're going to have to plunk down thousands of dollars in personal seat licenses to fund the new facility.

The Jets haven't talked much about PSLs, but they're coming, in one form or another. And if the product is as lousy as it is this season, who's going to want to pump their hard-earned money into the team's coffers?

The Jets ought to be wary, too, about a United Football League franchise coming to Long Island next year. There's talk of the new pro league establishing a base at Hofstra, where games would be a lot closer and certainly a lot cheaper than those at Giants Stadium. The league will begin play next August.

I'm not saying the Jets franchise will wither away anytime soon, and I'm not saying the fan base isn't sufficiently large to sustain the team for years to come. But with a lousy team, a questionable stadium experience and the prospects of a huge financial commitment to attend games in the future, it's reason enough for Jets executives to pay attention.

Need a coach? Try Garrett

With a handful of coaching vacancies expected in the offseason, look for Jason Garrett to be at or near the top of the wish list.

Garrett has done a splendid job in his first year as the Cowboys' offensive coordinator, and his background as a pro quarterback will only enhance his stature.

Some teams might shy away because of the poor performance of several first-time head coaches, including Scott Linehan of the Rams and Mangini, both of whom have been major disappointments in their second seasons, as well as Dolphins rookie coach Cam Cameron, who is 0-10. But the feeling here is that Garrett will be a terrific head coach, for a few reasons.

Look at his work with Tony Romo, who has blossomed into one of the NFL's elite. And notice that Terrell Owens is all about football now and no longer has the me-first, locker room-destroying attitude of the past. Also know that Garrett is the son of longtime college coach Jim Garrett, so he knows the life.

"I'm really concentrating just on the job I'm paid to do now," Garrett said. "I don't really think too far ahead. I tell my players to prepare in the moment, and I think that's the mind-set I have right now."

Extra points

Marty Schottenheimer back in the NFL? Don't bet against it. Schottenheimer, 64, has told friends he'd be open to coaching again if the right situation came up. He was fired by the Chargers and is no longer under contract after the 2007 season, so there will be no draft-choice compensation for a team willing to hire him. The Chargers' nosedive after last year's 14-2 season has enhanced Schottenheimer's reputation. The feeling here: Schottenheimer would be a perfect fit in Miami to clean up that mess ... Average points per game by both teams is 42.5 this season, the second-highest at this point in a season since the league went to a 16-game schedule in 1978.

[Kentucky Jet]

The only crime is not cashing in

ANTHONY RIEBER | anthony.rieber@newsday.com

November 25, 2007

The behavior of Jets fans during last Sunday's game against the Steelers was a hot topic more than once this week.

A day before the harassment story, "Gate D-Gate," broke, Jets fans were on the hot seat for allowing Steelers fans to take over Giants Stadium. It didn't feel like a Jets home game, that's for sure, with yellow-clad Pittsburghers waving "Terrible Towels" all day. Kellen Clemens said he had to go to a silent count because of the pro-Steelers noise. Jets safety Kerry Rhodes said he was "ticked off." Tight end Chris Baker called it "irritating." Even Newsday's NFL columnist, Bob Glauber, called what Jets fans did "inexcusable."

Where did Steelers fans get the tickets? Obviously from Jets fans, who decided to sell out rather than contribute to a meaningless sellout in a lost season. Giving up their seats didn't sit well with Jets players Rhodes and Baker and with Glauber, who wrote on his Newsday.com blog, "You cannot allow your stadium to be invaded by that many fans from the opposing team."

Uh, Bob, I love you, big guy, but you're dead wrong. Here's the way I tally it:

Jets tickets: $80. Re-sale value: $120. Making a few bucks from re-selling your tickets and sitting home on a cold, rainy day and watching an upset win: priceless.

What it is about sports tickets - any entertainment tickets, for that matter - that the people who buy them are not supposed to re-sell them? For whatever they can get? To whoever wants them?

If I buy a car from my next-door neighbor for $5,000 and want to sell it to the guy across the street for $6,000, is there a law that says I can't? This idea that fans should not re-sell their tickets comes from the days when ticket-scalping could only be done by shady characters in back alleys. The laws were made to protect us by politicians who, by the way, can get tickets for any hot event by having an aide make a phone call to the team.

Well, there's this thing called the Internet now, and re-selling and buying tickets is as easy as one-two-three, click.

Let's say 10,000 Jets fans put their tickets for the Steelers game up for sale and 10,000 Steelers fans clicked and bought. How is that a bad thing? Jets fans have endured enough in a season that has had two highlights in 12 long weeks (three if you count the bye week). Aren't they allowed to make back a few bucks for what so far has been a bad investment in money, time and sanity?

(I'm not telling any fan to do anything illegal when it comes to re-selling tickets. Many teams now have ticket resale areas on their Web sites, and other legal ticket brokers operate on the Web. Make sure what you're doing is on the up and up. But don't feel dirty if you do it.)

I once had tickets for a Yankees-Red Sox game at Yankee Stadium and ended up getting offered concert tickets for the same night. No way I was going to miss Anne Murray and Neil Diamond singing the best of Tom Jones!

(OK, just wanted to see if you were paying attention. It was the Dave Matthews Band.)

So I put the Yankees-Red Sox tickets up on a legal ticket-selling site for a wee bit over face value. The tickets were snapped up within a day.

I guess the person who brought the tickets could have re-sold them for a huge profit or could have even been - gasp! - Red Sox fans who wore Big Papi jerseys and booed Derek Jeter. Big deal.

As for the Jets, they have only two home games left, against Cleveland and Kansas City. Probably won't be a ton of demand for the Chiefs game, but maybe a few Dawg Pounders want to travel from Ohio to the Big Apple? Make the sale.

The Giants probably will have a wild-card berth sewn up when they host the Patriots on Dec. 29. If the Pats are going for 16-0, people from New England are going to want those tickets. Ka-ching, Giants fans!

You can watch it on the big screen you buy with the profit. And if Patriots fans make too much noise and "take over" Giants Stadium?

Turn the sound off.

[Kentucky Jet]

Is Kellen the Long-Term Answer at QB?

by: Joe Pietaro | NY Sportscene Magazine | Saturday, November 24, 2007

The task at hand was not an easy one, and no one should have expected anything spectacular out of a second-year quarterback versus a 9-1 team on the road. But Kellen Clemens played on Thanksgiving Day as if he wanted to rush home before the food got cold.

The Dallas Cowboys made quick work of Clemens and the rest of the New York Jets, 34-3, on a day made for feasts, accept that Gang Green wasn

[Lil Bit Special]

What it is about sports tickets - any entertainment tickets, for that matter - that the people who buy them are not supposed to re-sell them? For whatever they can get? To whoever wants them?

Aren't they allowed to make back a few bucks for what so far has been a bad investment in money, time and sanity?

You can watch it on the big screen you buy with the profit.

Sports tickets are usually like software. the original owner (jets) doesnt sell them, he is allowing you to attend their sporting event for a fee. A ticket is a license that can be revoked for just about any reason the original owner wants.

Aren't they allowed to make back a few bucks for what so far has been a bad investment in money, time and sanity?

This is just a cop-out. an excuse. and it isnt a very good one. Im not going to get into the debate again about fair weather fans and the support of their team. Its just not worth it. I can understand fans who are going to miss a game due to another obligation (like you DMB example). But those fans who consistently sell their tickets when the team struggles arent fans, their front runners. And, no they dont deserve to make a profit, they deserve to lose their tickets.

You can watch it on the big screen you buy with the profit.

Then do all of us a favor and do the same thing when we're good. You'll make more money during a good season.. then they can afford a much nicer tv.

Fans have legal ways to sell their tickets to Jets fans. There are plenty of Jets fans who will go to the game. I've had a bunch of people ask me this year about buying tickets from me. You just have to put a little more effort in than just going to stubhub. the truth is that jet fans dont care who sits in their seats, as long as they make a profit. And any fan that puts profit ahead of supporting their team is not much of a fan to begin with... and I certainly cannot understand how any fans who waste time on jets messageboards discussing the jets can turn around and sell their tickets to the opposition.

Im not talking about anyone in particular here, Kentucky Jet, so please dont be offended. I dont know your situation or what you do. Just expressing my thoughts and feelings.