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[bitonti]

Revis and cap hell are intrinsically tied.

it's not cap hell if he's worth it. The reason why Sanchez' cap number is such a problem is because he sucks. If he was playing like Aaron Rodgers it would be a deal.

[slats]

it's not cap hell if he's worth it. The reason why Sanchez' cap number is such a problem is because he sucks. If he was playing like Aaron Rodgers it would be a deal.

I love Revis, dude, but if you're spending 20% of your cap at the CB position, you have cap issues.

[SenorGato]

There's some similarities to the Cubs job last offseason in that they're both OG franchises within the sport that have horrible track records of losing. That should be interesting to most GM candidates.

Problem is that you have only a couple of hours on the job before the fans are piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssed at you. A good GM should always be working with one middle finger in the air because he just don't cayare.

[pedro55]

A good GM should have a 1 year plan. In the NFL the idea of long term rebuild is dead. No one looks at their team and thinks 4 years from now is the year. Rosters have a 10-15% churn normally. In 4 years it's a different team.

I agree and I hope that's the case, but a lot of Jets fans assume next season is a wash and Rex will be fired and then they rebuild. That plan makes no sense at all. Who wastes an entire year? Teams that do that in any sport are usually the teams that always fight for the top pick in the draft. Or teams that wait for one or two star players in free agency and don't land them. I hate those plans.

Obviously with Revis the Jets are better, but by how much? Without Revis this year the Jets defense still was good. With him what would have been different? They'd stil get beat down by the Patriots. They'd probably still lose games 10-7 or 7-6. The team needs to improve on the offensive side of the ball, needs some pass rushers. I love Revis, but without him, the offense stinks. With him, the offense stinks.

If the Jets were a player or two away, Revis is worth the big contract. The Jets right now are a ton of players away from competing. Especially on the offensive side of the ball. I wouldn't want the Jets to just give him away, but if they keep him around this season and then just let him walk the following season, what was the point of that?

[pedro55]

I love Revis, dude, but if you're spending 20% of your cap at the CB position, you have cap issues.

Thats the difference between a QB and a CB.
Rodgers can win a Super Bowl with a bad OL and a bad defense.
Revis can't win with a horrible QB and offense.


The Packers went 15-1 last year with one of the worst defenses in the history of the NFL.
The Jets went 8-8 with two of the better CBs in the NFL and a good defense.

Edited by pedro55, 11 January 2013 - 02:42 PM.

[Greenseed4]

5 reasons to avoid Jets' GM job

2. The coordinator dilemma: Offensive coordinator Tony Sparano was hired only a year ago, but his offense was a failure. Ryan reportedly wants to start over on offense, but it'll be tough to attract a proven commodity because of Ryan's tenuous future. Norv Turner and Cam Cameron are on the short list, but neither one will be an easy get. This will be the most important decision they make.

I actually see this as being a reason for a coordinator to come here.

Any OC worth his beans in coordinating, who has aspirations of becoming a HC (or returning to that position) should see this as a win-win. If Rex rights the ship, then you have a good job, on a good team with great facilities in the NY/NJ area. If he tanks the team, you have a good shot at an in-house promotion to be Rex's successor.

The obvious problem would be that, the new OC has to bring offensive improvement to a team with Mark Sanzhez at the helm.
Hopefully that workload can be lessened just by getting Holmes back, and having a TE1 (not on crutches) starting on Sundays...Not to mention another year of development for Stephen Hill and Vladdy.

[bitonti]

I love Revis, dude, but if you're spending 20% of your cap at the CB position, you have cap issues.

the cap is estimated to be 121 mil, the Jets are never gonna have revis occupying 24.2 mil of the cap.

Edited by bitonti, 11 January 2013 - 02:54 PM.

[bitonti]

With him what would have been different? They'd stil get beat down by the Patriots.

they took the Pats to OT in their house. with Revis maybe that's a win. there's no way to tell but my best guess, Revis is worth at least 2 wins on the schedule with his timely picks and shutting down of other team's best WR. besides this the loss of the team's best player is huge psychologically Teams need talent and they are gonna spend 110+ mil a year anyway.

[bitonti]

Thats the difference between a QB and a CB.
Rodgers can win a Super Bowl with a bad OL and a bad defense.
Revis can't win with a horrible QB and offense.

this is all true but the Jets aren't picking between Revis and Rodgers. they are picking between Revis and... not having Revis. Let's be real, the Jets aren't gonna be looking at Aaron Rodgers or similar on the free agent market. Those players never make it there unless they have a torn labrum like Brees.

[slats]

the cap is estimated to be 121 mil, the Jets are never gonna have revis occupying 24.2 mil of the cap.

I said the CB position. Revis + Cro is right there at 20%, before you even consider Wilson on down.

[pedro55]

I said the CB position. Revis + Cro is right there at 20%, before you even consider Wilson on down.

That's the problem. They have so much money locked in for 2 positions.
And while we might love Revis and Cromartie, the truth is, they were 8-8 last year with both of them plus the Wilson's of the world.
Revis will probably demand 15 mil per year. Without Revis, the Jets defense was still good this season.

You really can't pay one player $15 Million per year, especially if that player, regardless of how good he is, isn't going to turn the team around. And thats the situation the Jets are in, Trade him or pay him 15+ million per year after the season.

You pay Manning or Brady or Rodgers... You don't pay top dollar for a CB on a .500 team.

Edited by pedro55, 11 January 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[kelly]

jets can't give away general manager job

The New York Jets' general manager search is not going well. They have met with a ton of quality candidates, but the position remains open.

So what's the problem ?

"They can't give the position away," Fox Sports insider and NFL Network contributor Jay Glazer reported Sunday. "They are now calling back candidates that turned them down, saying please reconsider."

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Yikes.

This sort of thing usually does not happen because GM jobs are so hard to come by in the NFL.On the Jets' interview list are former Chicago Bears GM Jerry Angelo, in-house candidate Scott Cohen, Miami Dolphins assistant GM Brian Gaine, Pittsburgh Steelers executive Omar Khan, Seattle Seahawks vice president of football administration John Idzik, San Francisco 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble and New York Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross.

The Jets' situation is tricky because of coach Rex Ryan's presence and Woody Johnson's questionable ownership. Usually, a GM helps pick the coach. The situation is reversed this time.The Jets also lack offensive talent, not to mention an offensive coordinator. All of those factors are scaring away quality GM candidates.

UPDATE : Some people might want the job after all. ESPN reported later Sunday, citing sources, that the Jets will have follow-up talks with Angelo, Cohen and Khan, possibly starting Tuesday, and the team hopes to hire someone by Friday. ESPN also reported that former Denver Broncos GM Ted Sundquist interviewed for the job last week.

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[kelly]

The Jets Need to Get Creative

Recent Playoff Games Illustrate What's Wrong With the Offense—It's Overmatched in Every Way

If Jets owner Woody Johnson and coach Rex Ryan watched the NFL's divisional-playoff games (and for the Jets' sake, one hopes they did), they should have come away understanding a cold truth about the 2012 season: The Jets' offense never possessed enough creativity or talent to be successful in the modern NFL.None of the eight teams that played over the weekend—even the teams that lost—scored fewer than 28 points, and the sources of that two-day shower of touchdowns and field goals were easy to identify. There were strong-armed quarterbacks making laserlike throws (Joe Flacco, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers). There was perfect synchronicity between a coordinator's smart, fresh strategy and his players' ability to carry it out (as the Atlanta Falcons demonstrated). And often, each of those factors played a part, as they did in the San Francisco 49ers' wielding of the "pistol" offense and the breathtaking performance by quarterback Colin Kaepernick that resulted.Those games should have given Johnson and Ryan pause as the Jets continue their parallel searches for a new general manager and offensive coordinator. Though hiring a general manager would seem the higher priority for any NFL team, given a GM's influence on a franchise's player-personnel decisions, in the short term finding an imaginative coordinator would reap a greater benefit for the Jets.

Here's why :
The Jets already are well over the prospective salary-cap threshold of $121 million for the 2013 season. Once the new general manager trims away a few veteran players to get the Jets under the cap, there is only so much change he will have the flexibility to effect. Quarterback Mark Sanchez is likely to remain on the roster, as are many of the same receivers, running backs and linemen who were part of the NFL's 30th-ranked offense.While the Jets may be able to make some immediate upgrades in the draft, the more practical way to improve their offense is to bring in a better, more resourceful play-caller. In firing Tony Sparano as the team's offensive coordinator after just one season, Ryan appeared to acknowledge as much."I want to be more of an attack-style team, whether it's running a different type of offense," he said. "That's what I'm looking to do. As hard as we are to attack defensively, I want to be the same way on offense."Ryan isn't far from outlining the proper profile here.

The reason Ryan is so well regarded as a defensive coach is that he can take lesser talent and "scheme it" into success, just as he and his former defensive coordinator, Mike Pettine, did last season. That the Jets finished eighth overall in total defense—without injured cornerback Darrelle Revis, with no elite pass rusher and with slow, aging linebackers—was a testament to Ryan's and Pettine's acumen. Because the Jets' offense has so many shortcomings, Ryan needs a similar mind to orchestrate it.In retrospect, Sparano was a poor fit from the start. It was presumed that, because the Wildcat formation had enhanced the Miami Dolphins' offense while Sparano was their head coach, he would have little trouble assimilating Tim Tebow into the Jets' offense. But not only did Sparano fail to make Tebow relevant, his overall philosophy—that the Jets' skill-position players would win their individual matchups against opposing linebackers and defensive backs—was ill-suited for his personnel. His was an offense based on the basics of football: Block your man. Get open. The quarterback will get you the ball. The Jets needed something more deceptive to free their receivers, open holes for their running backs and fool opposing defenses. They rarely fooled anyone—except perhaps Tebow.

The selection of Sparano's replacement is Ryan's first important decision following what he called his "fresh start" as the Jets' head coach, and it might be the most important decision of his tenure. He might settle on someone familiar, such as former Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron. (The two worked together in Baltimore.) He might choose instead a candidate with a clean NFL slate, such as Stanford offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton.Either way, Ryan and Johnson have to recognize just how far the Jets are from competing with those eight playoff teams, from constructing the sort of offense that is necessary to survive these days in the NFL. And they must act accordingly.

A version of this article appeared January 15, 2013, on page A26 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline : The Jets Need to Get Creative.

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[Jets2013]

0-16 here we come

[JetsFanInDenver]

If you are a player personnel guy like Gamble who still does not have job what will you say in your next interview that might happen next season.

Interviewer: "So are you upto tough challenges ?"
Gamble : "Always. Love challenges!"
Interviewer:"So why didn't you take the JETS job"

If there is a owner worth his salt out there who is looking for a GM he would automatically disqualify guys like Gamble, Heckert because they will be the guys who will get going when the going gets tough. A person with only strong self preservation skills, a resume decorator who will never want to get his hands dirty. Someone who will be the first one to ditch the boat at the first sign of a leak. That's what these guys are coming through as.

I think the JETS are caught in a bad year where so many openings are available. They are willing to wait for the right guy but the right guy has not shown up as yet.At the same time so far they have shown they are not going to jump and just hire a GM for the heck of it. Woody comes through as someone who gets it that an organization needs stability.

Edited by JetsFanInDenver, 15 January 2013 - 11:39 PM.

[Greenseed4]

Interviewer: "So are you upto tough challenges ?"
Gamble : "Always. Love challenges!"
Interviewer:"So why didn't you take the JETS job"

Gamble : "At the time of our first interview we decided to allow one another more time before we finalized our deal. They (the Jets) needed to comply with the Rooney Rule, and I was in the middle of a deep playoff run...I didn't want the FortyNiners to think I had lost focus on my present responsibilties and agreed to meet again with Woody after the season had ended."
Interviewer: "So why didn't you take the job?"
Gamble : "The Jets fanbase required immediate action to appease their fans, and Woody decided to go another direction.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Gamble : "At the time of our first interview we decided to allow one another more time before we finalized our deal. They (the Jets) needed to comply with the Rooney Rule, and I was in the middle of a deep playoff run...I didn't want the FortyNiners to think I had lost focus on my present responsibilties and agreed to meet again with Woody after the season had ended."
Interviewer: "So why didn't you take the job?"
Gamble : "The Jets fanbase required immediate action to appease their fans, and Woody decided to go another direction.

Yes..that would fly!

[Jets2013]

I love Revis, dude, but if you're spending 20% of your cap at the CB position, you have cap issues.

What does it say when you have some of the best CBs in the league and still can't get to the QB?

[Jets2013]

Gamble : "At the time of our first interview we decided to allow one another more time before we finalized our deal. They (the Jets) needed to comply with the Rooney Rule, and I was in the middle of a deep playoff run...I didn't want the FortyNiners to think I had lost focus on my present responsibilties and agreed to meet again with Woody after the season had ended."
Interviewer: "So why didn't you take the job?"
Gamble : "The Jets fanbase required immediate action to appease their fans, and Woody decided to go another direction.

So I guess the 2014 Super Bowl in our own stadium is out of the question then huh? :-/ oh boy.....2013-2014 season may be a LONG one guys!! Who do we get with #1 draft pick in 2014? I say Terry Bridgewater. The tattoo (and the $) buys Sanchez another year. Rex can go 0-16 and still have his job. Crazy cap issues...we went from SB contender to bottom of the barrel in a very short time

[kelly]

A Candidate Who Has a Clue

Jets GM Hopeful Ted Sundquist Predicted Sanchez/Tebow Might Not Work—Just Check His Blog

Sundquist predicted the Jets would have a mess at quarterback.

That the Jets have been tight-lipped about their general-manager search is, if possible, both surprising and expected.On the one hand, since hiring Rex Ryan as coach in 2009, the Jets have been the NFL's equivalent of a traveling salesman on a cross-country flight: They're going to talk, whether you want to ignore them or not. On the other hand, headhunter Jed Hughes of Korn/Ferry International KFY -1.15% is in charge of finding the new GM, and Hughes has a reputation for conducting searches that are always thorough and usually quiet.But if the Jets' reticence about the process makes it difficult to get a read on whom they might hire and, more important, how their next general manager might go about business, at least one candidate has eliminated some of the guesswork.

Ted Sundquist, the Denver Broncos' general manager from 2002 to 2008, interviewed with the Jets late last week, according to reports. (A Jets spokesman said the team wouldn't comment until the search had run its course.) But if the Jets or any of their fans wanted to get a sense of Sundquist's views or philosophies on drafting, signing or trading players, all they had to do was go online.Sundquist, who didn't respond to attempts to contact him, has maintained two websites, TedSundquist38.com and TheFootballEducator.com. There, he has blogged about the various decisions that a general manager must make, critiquing actual player-personnel scenarios and questions that had arisen around the league. In light of Sundquist's posts, it is no wonder Hughes, owner Woody Johnson and team president Neil Glat would want to interview him, for he has written in depth about the Jets—their quarterback situation, in particular.

For instance, in an entry on TedSundquist38.com dated March 26, 2012—four days after the Jets acquired Tim Tebow from the Broncos—Sundquist wrote that Tebow would go "up against another stressed out signal caller in New York's Mark Sanchez" for the starting-quarterback job. He accused the Jets of lacking "a detailed developmental plan" for grooming Sanchez into a franchise quarterback after they drafted him with the fifth overall pick in 2009, and he argued they needed to put one that could help Sanchez and Tebow into effect."For either young player to thrive this season it will be important that the Jets be upfront and communicate with both exactly what their role will be," he wrote. "Otherwise NYJ will likely enter 2012 with two 'head cases' under center."

As it turned out, Sundquist was right: Other than naming Sanchez the starter and Tebow the backup, the Jets never did set specific guidelines for how they would use the two quarterbacks, and each one's play (and in Tebow's case, playing time) suffered. Sanchez had the most trying season of his four-year career, completing less than 55% of his passes and committing 26 turnovers.In a Dec. 19 post on TheFootballEducator.com, Sundquist suggested the Jets should have seen such problems coming.Sundquist wrote that Sanchez, while in college at Southern California, had "violated the 36/60 rule when he was drafted" by the Jets. That is, he had neither started at least 36 games nor completed at least 60% of his passes during his collegiate career, making him a risky selection."These are hard numbers that paint a compelling picture of future success," Sundquist had written in an earlier blog post. As an example,he cited another former USC quarterback: the Kansas City Chiefs' Matt Cassel, who had attempted just 33 passes in college, signed a six-year, $63 million contract in 2009 and was now all but finished as Kansas City's starter."The numbers just didn't add up," Sundquist wrote Nov. 22, referring to Cassel's deal.

Granted, it is easy to second-guess general managers' decisions after they have made them. So what would Sundquist do if the Jets were to hire him ? He addressed that topic on TheFootballEducator.com on Jan. 7—just days before the Jets reportedly interviewed him.Within his first 30 days as general manager, he wrote, he would follow six principles that Michael Kanazawa, an expert in corporate strategy and transformation, had espoused for implementing an organizational action plan. Sundquist also cited research showing that the most important and positive steps a new senior executive can take in his first 100 days on the job are "to assemble and solidify a team" and "articulate a vision and goals."
The source of that research ? Korn/Ferry International.

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