Jets Humiliated by Bills in Ugly Display by Geno Smith

[jorge o8]

The Jets simply play better AT HOME. All of their good wins 4-1 came at MetLife. Young teams don't travel well, but it's on Mornhinweg to dumb down the Jets system to give Geno some success on the hostile road. Jets will play better against Ravens but will still lose to break that even, odd W, L streak. Rex is a goner at the end of this season also. He is an embarrassment as a HC and cannot get this team to play with steady emotion week in and week out.

i hate to agree with you but yeah, and if they dont win 4 games i believe rex is gone

[Sperm Edwards]

It seems we agree. I see nothing from him.

 

Hey, if you draft a QB who - wherever you took him - was projected in the top 10 by most then you give him a real shot (such as that is with the Jets' receivers).  Especially when you know the team has no realistic chance at a superbowl (no matter how many times people say that all you have to do is make the playoffs, technically correct as that may be on paper). Also 10 games with this crew isn't really a great shot, particularly considering he wasn't ready to go from week 1, so perhaps that is not fair to him.  But in managing a team - which we all do in our imaginations from time to time - one has to weigh multiple considerations:

 

1) A good (maybe great; certainly deep at worst) draft for QBs is coming up.  If the team thinks there's even an inkling of a chance Simms might be one of those rare good ones that come from out of left field, they have to see him for over a month.  If 10 games isn't really fair to evaluate Smith's long-term value, which it probably isn't, then only 2-3 games is even less so to evaluate Simms (in the dead of winter, no less).  It's easy for fans to overvalue the backup, but we don't see Simms in practice.  He may be crushing it and he may be garbage.  Mornhinweg & Lee aren't exactly Sparano & Cavanaugh reputation-wise.  know they had something flattering to say about him 2 months ago, like he's totally earned the #2 spot, but that may be their "nice" way of saying publicly that he hasn't earned the #1 spot.  Only they know for sure.  If they don't go with him I have to believe it's because they don't think as much of him as fans on message boards, and it's based on seeing him in practice and breaking down film for 6 months.  Wasn't that long ago he was neck & neck with Greg McElroy for a roster spot (last year he lost; this year he won perhaps only by default because McElroy was injured).

 

Anyway, the simple thought I'm laboring to make is: if they don't think that Geno has shown enough to pass up on a QB next year, then see what you have in Simms (in live action) before you cast him aside.  

 

2) We're tied for the 6th seed with 6 games to go.  We're tied with Miami, who we play twice, so therefore we control our own destiny.  I know the Giants pissed away the playoffs to get Eli his rookie reps, but 10 games of Geno doesn't leave the observer with the same sense of upside as #1 pick Eli who hadn't played yet.

 

3) What the team sees with Geno (and Simms, and Garrard as well for that matter) that we aren't.  This last one is the thing we're not privy to, of course, and most likely is the greatest decider of who's out there.  For all the rationalizing/fabricating reasons Smith is the QB, from Rex always being trigger-shy with pulling a QB, to Smith being a pretty high pick, to him being "Idzik's guy" and the supposed pressure that comes with that, the chances are still overwhelming that if they keep Simms on the bench it's because he's worse than Smith.  People screamed for Tebow or McElroy last year and the hard truth to accept is Sanchez - horrid as he was - was still the best QB on the roster.  Sometimes you pull him just to pull him, which Rex eventually did in late-December, but next year Sanchez will be on someone's roster and those other two - who were 2/3 of our QB corps just 11 months ago - are out of football despite both being perfectly healthy & in their mid-20s.  Put in a guy who the team knows sucks and, while losing still more games, you'll also lose the locker room.  Word of that stuff could get around and we figure to be active in FA in March.  Wouldn't want that to be a factor.  A team starting a guy who sucks, when all they have are guys who suck, is a different thing altogether and few serious people begrudge them that.

[whodeawhodat]

Rookie QB playing like a rookie QB.  Nothing to see here.  Bills have a good defense, better than the pasts imo even if it doesnt say so statisticly.  Give them and Pettine some props for sunday.  Geno will struggle with a tough defense like we saw on Sunday.  We are not good enough to beat tough defenses with what we currently have on offense.  It is up to MM to create beneficial matchups against these better defenses.  Tough task to ask for 60 minutes.  Take the highs along with the lows.  Sunday was a sh!t football day, move on and get a better game plan going against the ravens.

[NJ]

The Jets got Rexed by Rex's old buddy Mike who knew he could exploit a QB who can't read defenses coupled to a crap OL, with a ton of different looks that resulted in major pressure.

There's a few, very few, QB's that could have turned that around into open receivers and got the pressure to back off, but not with the horrible job by our line.

Throw in the fact we have receivers like Stephen Hill and we got to witness the product.

It's not all on Geno -  but a lot of it is. 

[RSJ]

Hey, if you draft a QB who - wherever you took him - was projected in the top 10 by most then you give him a real shot (such as that is with the Jets' receivers).  Especially when you know the team has no realistic chance at a superbowl (no matter how many times people say that all you have to do is make the playoffs, technically correct as that may be on paper). Also 10 games with this crew isn't really a great shot, particularly considering he wasn't ready to go from week 1, so perhaps that is not fair to him.  But in managing a team - which we all do in our imaginations from time to time - one has to weigh multiple considerations:

 

1) A good (maybe great; certainly deep at worst) draft for QBs is coming up.  If the team thinks there's even an inkling of a chance Simms might be one of those rare good ones that come from out of left field, they have to see him for over a month.  If 10 games isn't really fair to evaluate Smith's long-term value, which it probably isn't, then only 2-3 games is even less so to evaluate Simms (in the dead of winter, no less).  It's easy for fans to overvalue the backup, but we don't see Simms in practice.  He may be crushing it and he may be garbage.  Mornhinweg & Lee aren't exactly Sparano & Cavanaugh reputation-wise.  know they had something flattering to say about him 2 months ago, like he's totally earned the #2 spot, but that may be their "nice" way of saying publicly that he hasn't earned the #1 spot.  Only they know for sure.  If they don't go with him I have to believe it's because they don't think as much of him as fans on message boards, and it's based on seeing him in practice and breaking down film for 6 months.  Wasn't that long ago he was neck & neck with Greg McElroy for a roster spot (last year he lost; this year he won perhaps only by default because McElroy was injured).

 

Anyway, the simple thought I'm laboring to make is: if they don't think that Geno has shown enough to pass up on a QB next year, then see what you have in Simms (in live action) before you cast him aside.  

 

2) We're tied for the 6th seed with 6 games to go.  We're tied with Miami, who we play twice, so therefore we control our own destiny.  I know the Giants pissed away the playoffs to get Eli his rookie reps, but 10 games of Geno doesn't leave the observer with the same sense of upside as #1 pick Eli who hadn't played yet.

 

3) What the team sees with Geno (and Simms, and Garrard as well for that matter) that we aren't.  This last one is the thing we're not privy to, of course, and most likely is the greatest decider of who's out there.  For all the rationalizing/fabricating reasons Smith is the QB, from Rex always being trigger-shy with pulling a QB, to Smith being a pretty high pick, to him being "Idzik's guy" and the supposed pressure that comes with that, the chances are still overwhelming that if they keep Simms on the bench it's because he's worse than Smith.  People screamed for Tebow or McElroy last year and the hard truth to accept is Sanchez - horrid as he was - was still the best QB on the roster.  Sometimes you pull him just to pull him, which Rex eventually did in late-December, but next year Sanchez will be on someone's roster and those other two - who were 2/3 of our QB corps just 11 months ago - are out of football despite both being perfectly healthy & in their mid-20s.  Put in a guy who the team knows sucks and, while losing still more games, you'll also lose the locker room.  Word of that stuff could get around and we figure to be active in FA in March.  Wouldn't want that to be a factor.  A team starting a guy who sucks, when all they have are guys who suck, is a different thing altogether and few serious people begrudge them that.

 

I agree with what you are saying. Here is the problem. We won't know until Simms hits the field in live action. If Vermiel thought Warner gave the Rams the best chance of winning a super bowl, he would have started from the begining, ditto Belicheck/Bledsoe/Brady, Parcells/Foley/Testeverde, etc. With Simms, he does seem to have some tools. He has a great arm and good pocket awareness. Both things that Tebow and McElroy never had.The thing that no one knows is whether, with a week of preparation and a week with the 1's in practice, could he come in a produce? And I also agree that Simms will need a few weeks to really be evaluated fairly. Really one of the Jets biggest issues is winning while getting nothing from Geno - but a late drive against a prevent defense. If the Jets go out and beat the Ravens while Geno completes 8 passes again, it only prolongs the issue. That is really what worries me the most. Pretty much the same thing that happened to Sanchez. Jets are in a tough spot because its hard to bench your QB when you are the 6th seed, even if you are the 6th seed despite your QB.

[Matt39]

QB evaluation period gets thrown out the window when you're in a playoff hunt. Put the best guy on the field at the current time. And it cant get any worse than what we saw in Buffalo so do the math.

[Sperm Edwards]

QB evaluation period gets thrown out the window when you're in a playoff hunt. Put the best guy on the field at the current time. And it cant get any worse than what we saw in Buffalo so do the math.

 

The best guy, as likely as not, is Garrard.

[Matt39]

The best guy, as likely as not, is Garrard.

 

That's fine with me. You can't punt a season for the rest of the team because of one guy. We don't have the running game like we did in 2009 to make up for it. We get blown out once turnovers happen.