Preston Howley III Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 wtf is with these threads? I'm not sure. Who knows how Romeo will use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted September 5, 2006 Author Share Posted September 5, 2006 wtf is with these threads? I'm not sure. Who knows how Romeo will use him. I'm trying to start a football discussion. I'm all Hermed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 you gonna start 30 more threads on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted September 5, 2006 Author Share Posted September 5, 2006 you gonna start 30 more threads on this? Do you want me too? I'm flexible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 No, Willie is an ungrateful pole smoker in Romeo's system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 To be honest, I never heard it called an "elephant" position. Willie played a "read and react" OLB in the Pats system. What that means is he was 90% on the strong side and his first responsibility was to read the TE. Depending on what the TE did (block down in the middle, release block to the LB or just release into a pass pattern) determines what Willie did from his position. Many of Willie's sacks were not called in the huddle, but a "read and react" to what the offense is doing. BB made a comment in the book "Patriot Reign" that Willie "never blew a read" through the entire season. I for one, will miss the guy. You just don't replace big-play personnel. And Willie was very good at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 yeah, I don't really think McGinest played the elephant end with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 yeah, I don't really think McGinest played the elephant end with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 yeah, I don't really think McGinest played the elephant end with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted September 5, 2006 Author Share Posted September 5, 2006 To be honest, I never heard it called an "elephant" position. Willie played a "read and react" OLB in the Pats system. What that means is he was 90% on the strong side and his first responsibility was to read the TE. Depending on what the TE did (block down in the middle, release block to the LB or just release into a pass pattern) determines what Willie did from his position. Many of Willie's sacks were not called in the huddle, but a "read and react" to what the offense is doing. BB made a comment in the book "Patriot Reign" that Willie "never blew a read" through the entire season. I for one, will miss the guy. You just don't replace big-play personnel. And Willie was very good at that. Thanks, Tex. I'm going to pick up a copy of that book. Sounds like I can learn alot about football in general and Belli/Mangini in specific. The reason why I asked is 'cos as we are all aware, the Jets pass rush has been non-existent this preseason. I'm trying to figure out if there is a scheme that compensates the 34 defense. Does the TE generally lineup on the "blind side" of the QB (for example, if he's lefthanded), or does the TE lineup on whatever side the defense has their best pass rusher? And does the pass rusher or blitzer prefer to attack the QB from his blind side, or does it matter? Some of the most vicious blind side hits I've seen on a QB actually came from DT's, not DE's. One other question- How many down lineman can you have on defense? As many as As few as And under what circumstances would a DC elect to do something so unorthodox? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Thanks, Tex. I'm going to pick up a copy of that book. Sounds like I can learn alot about football in general and Belli/Mangini in specific. JetMo, I think you would really enjoy the book. Two things that really stuck out to me in the book were the way BB and the Pats developed the game plan (physically jam the WR's at the LOS) in the Super Bowl versus the Rams. And the way they went about preparing for the 2001 draft. It was real good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 JetMo, I think you would really enjoy the book. Two things that really stuck out to me in the book were the way BB and the Pats developed the game plan (physically jam the WR's at the LOS) in the Super Bowl versus the Rams. And the way they went about preparing for the 2001 draft. It was real good stuff. Sounds interesting. Maybe I'll read it too, but I'm ripping the cover off. Maybe I'll just stick it inside a Playboy, so nobody knows what I'm reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted September 5, 2006 Author Share Posted September 5, 2006 Including shipping and handling, I got a copy off Amazon for $3.49. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Including shipping and handling, I got a copy off Amazon for $3.49. Great read. BB is pretty candid with his comments about some of his players. He didn't like Patrick Pass (A Pete Carroll pick). If you are serious about the "elephant" here is an article from last year: The 4-3 vs. the 3-4 6/16/2005 By Mike Tanier Once upon a time, defenses lined up almost the same way that offenses did. The offensive line has a center, two guards, and two tackles. Long ago, the defensive line did to. This was the 1930 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share Posted September 6, 2006 Great article, Gainzo! Gradually, these defensive specialists started lining up a few yards off the ball, at the position we now call middle linebacker. The 4-3 defense had arrived. Question- how close can a defender get to the LOS and still stand up? What is the precise measurement? Is it easier to rush the passer from the 3 point stance on the LOS, or from a standing position, away from the LOS? The DE has less distance but he meets immediate resistence, while the linebacker builds up speed and momentum before being impeded from advancing towards the QB. The University of Oklahoma had long used a five-man defensive line on which the two ends were smaller, quicker players who would sometimes take a step or two off the line or drop into coverage. The ends were essentially extra linebackers, so pro teams modified the scheme. Thus, the 3-4 was born. This is very interesting. It makes sense to mover the ends off the line, I can see why. But why would any team want to have 5 down linemen? What is the advantage of that? Shouldn't 4 down linemen be sufficient in achieving the same desired outcome? For some teams, the 3-4 and 4-3 are almost interchangeable. The right end in a 4-3 may be a 255-pound defender who sometimes drops into coverage: how different is he from an outside linebacker? Or, the outside linebacker in a 3-4 may line up in a three-point stance on the line of scrimmage for much of the game: why not call him a defensive end? I think Bryan Thomas is going to have a big year. Teams like the Steelers and Bills ran the ball so effectively last year that opponents switched to a 4-4 defense: four linemen, four linebackers. At times, the extra linebacker crept up to the line and into a three-point stance. Suddenly, the five-man defensive line had returned to the NFL, strategy coming full circle. That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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