Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 sets us back from what? not like we are speeding down the highway and this will throw up the parking brake. We're trying to set ourselves up for long term stability. How did that trade up work out for Washington? Yes they got some immediate results but they have no stability after firing their coach and with RG3 looking like he's made of plastic. Unless you think the guy you're getting is Elway you use your picks to build up your roster until you find the QB you like. Sort of like what Idzik and co. did in Seattle, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 sets us back from what? not like we are speeding down the highway and this will throw up the parking brake. we need both. short term bandaid and young promising qb--although i disagree on cousins, i agree with the concept yeah Cousins had more going for him at the end of last year than he does now for sure but Shanahan was going berserk at the end of the season doing some really stupid things no telling what effect that had on Cousins who seemed much different than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 I currently don't think Manziel is that guy. It'll be interesting to see what the combine brings. The fact that Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel are all projected to either go #1 overall, or drop out of the top ten (or lower) suggests to me like they all have a lot of question marks. Probably too many to give up your next three first rounders. If over the course of the draft, one of these guys does drop out of the top ten, then you can start looking at a more modest -and reasonable- deal. Im cool with this I hope Manziel drops right into our laps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's why I think it would come for less than what Washington Offered for RGIII to get Manziel. If we had to give up next years number 1 and some picks this year (maybe a 2 or a 3) to get Manziel I would do it. Keeping in mind Seattle built their team with a bunch of 4th to 6th round picks that are now playing at insanely high levels. We as Jets fans are not used to that kind of Draft success but maybe Idzik can change that. If a guy like Luck was to be in this years draft, one of the most highly touted QB's ever, it might cost even more than what Washington paid The primary reason Jet fans aren't used to that is because Tannenbaum traded half of them away. My plan for this offseason would be rebuilding with the idea that Geno will probably be the starter, with a focus on completely overhauling the worst receiving corps in football. I'd get a vet in who can actually play, and target a QB in the mid rounds (a Mettenberger or Garoppolo) to also compete/develop. Like I said above, if one of the top guys drops, you adjust, but that would be my plan going in. If none of those QBs work out this year, at least the receivers would be vastly improved, and the stage would be better set to make a major move at QB in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 sets us back from what? not like we are speeding down the highway and this will throw up the parking brake. we need both. short term bandaid and young promising qb--although i disagree on cousins, i agree with the concept Great post. your right, set us back from 8-8, 6-10,8-8, the past 3 years? Setting us back is when we give extensions to Qb's that have proven to be an abomination, and hopefully we don't make that mistake with the one we have. Trading up to get Manziel would set this franchise FORWARD for the next 10 years or so, not set it back, like the Sanchez contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 There are probably four QBs in next year's draft that are better prospects than any QB coming out this year. Trading up for a QB in this draft is idiocy. People evaluate QB's every year how often are they correct ? Its all about how the team feels about a certain prospect that dictates what they do in the draft. If we all knew what to expect at the QB position guys like Rogers would have gone number 1 over all . Manziel is a wild card type player so it makes 100 % sense why people would not like that move so its easy to agree with that logic either way I think hes still going to be a winner in the NFL who can turn something into nothing we have not seen since Fran Tarkenton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's why I think it would come for less than what Washington Offered for RGIII to get Manziel. If we had to give up next years number 1 and some picks this year (maybe a 2 or a 3) to get Manziel I would do it. Keeping in mind Seattle built their team with a bunch of 4th to 6th round picks that are now playing at insanely high levels. We as Jets fans are not used to that kind of Draft success but maybe Idzik can change that. If a guy like Luck was to be in this years draft, one of the most highly touted QB's ever, it might cost even more than what Washington paid Great post, could not agree more. It may take exchanging this years #1, next years #1 , and a #2 this year or next. WORTH every bit of doing it if we get Manziel. Dude is the ultimate playmaker.This franchise and city would be bonkers over this kid. first time since JoeWillie that this fanbase would be truly juiced. I pray Idzik has the stones to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 People evaluate QB's every year how often are they correct ? Its all about how the team feels about a certain prospect that dictates what they do in the draft. If we all knew what to expect at the QB position guys like Rogers would have gone number 1 over all . manzile is a wild card type player so it makes 100 % sense why people would not like that move so its easy to agree with that logic either way I think hes still going to be a winner in the NFL who can turn something into nothing we have not seen since Fran Tarkington. Scouts were spot-on with Andrew Luck. There are no Andrew Lucks in this draft. Let some other team move up for Manziel and be dead wrong. Idzik comes from an org that got Russell Wilson in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Great post. your right, set us back from 8-8, 6-10,8-8, the past 3 years? Setting us back is when we give extensions to Qb's that have proven to be an abomination, and hopefully we don't make that mistake with the one we have. Trading up to get Manziel would set this franchise FORWARD for the next 10 years or so, not set it back, like the Sanchez contract. Please. Let's not act like the magic dwarf is anything remotely close to a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 There are probably four QBs in next year's draft that are better prospects than any QB coming out this year. Trading up for a QB in this draft is idiocy. [/quote Who? Ive got Winston and Mariota? Who are the other 2? And weren't people saying the same thing last year? That you would be crazy to take a Qb (Manuel, Smith, Glennon) from this class considering the class coming out this year. Is the next class always the best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Great post, could not agree more. It may take exchanging this years #1, next years #1 , and a #2 this year or next. WORTH every bit of doing it if we get Manziel. Dude is the ultimate playmaker.This franchise and city would be bonkers over this kid. first time since JoeWillie that this fanbase would be truly juiced. I pray Idzik has the stones to do it. Your overwhelming confidence in Manziel should be reason enough to give pause to the "trade two firsts for Manziel" contingent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Please. Let's not act like the magic dwarf is anything remotely close to a sure thing. I do not get the fascination some seem to have with Manziel. He's a smaller Tebow... and not in a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Please. Let's not act like the magic dwarf is anything remotely close to a sure thing.Sorry,as far as I am concerned, the "magic dwarf" is 100% a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 Great post, could not agree more. It may take exchanging this years #1, next years #1 , and a #2 this year or next. WORTH every bit of doing it if we get Manziel. Dude is the ultimate playmaker.This franchise and city would be bonkers over this kid. first time since JoeWillie that this fanbase would be truly juiced. I pray Idzik has the stones to do it. There is no doubt manziel would complexly energize this Team and this City but in reality there are questions to consider like durability that's the ONLY thing about him that scares me in making that kind of move. if durability was not in question I would trade up in a heart beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I do not get the fascination some seem to have with Manziel. He's a smaller Tebow... and not in a good way.Where did you READ this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 I do not get the fascination some seem to have with Manziel. He's a smaller Tebow... and not in a good way. this could be the stupidest post you've ever made. How in the hell can you compare Manziel to Tebow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Sorry,as far as I am concerned, the "magic dwarf" is 100% a sure thing. If you mean he is 100% a sure thing to be a crappy NFL QB then, yes, you have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 There is no doubt manziel would complexly energize this Team and this City but in reality there are questions to consider like durability that's the ONLY thing about him that scares me in making that kind of move. if durability was not in question I would trade up in a heart beat Fair enough. I agree, its the ONLY issue, but I would still make the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 There is no doubt manziel would complexly energize this Team and this City but in reality there are questions to consider like durability that's the ONLY thing about him that scares me in making that kind of move. if durability was not in question I would trade up in a heart beat I worry that his game in no way shape or form will translate well in the pros but that's just me. Give me a pocket passer any day. I don't care about energy. I care about wins, and a lot of years of wins. Manziel is the wrong guy to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 this could be the stupidest post you've ever made. How in the hell can you compare Manziel to Tebow ? He believes everything he reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 this could be the stupidest post you've ever made. How in the hell can you compare Manziel to Tebow ? Oh, I don't know. Both SEC QBs. Both run first QBs. Both have irrational followers who vastly overrate their talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Sorry,as far as I am concerned, the "magic dwarf" is 100% a sure thing. Yeah well, maybe you'll get lucky and he'll drop all the way to #18 when he weighs in at 5'10", 180lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 this could be the stupidest post you've ever made. How in the hell can you compare Manziel to Tebow ? Cult-like following. Non-pocket passer. Exciting college player who won't be a great pro. At least Tebow had a good attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 He believes everything he reads. This coming from a guy who believes every article Rich Cimini writes about Rex and starts threads on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 He believes everything he reads. Oh, the blessed irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Smashmouth and joewillie78 both think I am stupid and know nothing about football. Probably the best compliment I've gotten on this board in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Smashmouth and joewillie78 both think I am stupid and know nothing about football. Probably the best compliment I've gotten on this board in years. Clearly smash, the guy who supported Chad and Sanchez long after it was cool to do so, is a solid authority on college QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Smashmouth and joewillie78 both think I am stupid and know nothing about football. Probably the best compliment I've gotten on this board in years. Never said anything of the sort. Only stated that you believe everything you read, Like the Wells report. Try being more cynical, it works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Clearly smash, the guy who supported Chad and Sanchez long after it was cool to do so, is a solid authority on college QBs. So that makes him 1 for 2. Chad was Great, Sanchez sucked. So far REX is 0 for 2, Sanchez and Geno. I'll take Smash picking my QB right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yeah well, maybe you'll get lucky and he'll drop all the way to #18 when he weighs in at 5'10", 180lbs.No, they usually drop when they play like crap in a bowl game, in the northeast, and get outplayed by guys named RYAN NASSIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 So that makes him 1 for 2. Chad was Great, Sanchez sucked. So far REX is 0 for 2, Sanchez and Geno. I'll take Smash picking my QB right now. Pennington was great like Coors Lite is a great beer. You have weak tastes. Also, how does Rex get the blame for taking Geno Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Pennington was great like Coors Lite is a great beer. You have weak tastes. Also, how does Rex get the blame for taking Geno Smith? Whoops, forgot, if things go great, it was REX, if they go sour it wasn't Rex? You mean to insinuate that a COACH has no input into who a teams next FRANCHISE QB will be? Wow. Maybe their is hope that Rex tells IDZIK, please no Johnny Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 So that makes him 1 for 2. Chad was Great, Sanchez sucked. So far REX is 0 for 2, Sanchez and Geno. I'll take Smash picking my QB right now. You can't make this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You can't make this up. Rex can be 1 for 3 if he takes Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Rex can be 1 for 3 if he takes Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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