Most efficient Teams in the Draft.

[eboozer]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Which-teams-are-the-most-efficient-in-the-NFL-Draft.html

 

Seems our nitch is in the 4th Rd. Nice to have 3 picks in our wheel house.

CB, OLB, QB would be the areas I'd like to see addressed in this rd.

[Sperm Edwards]

Worthless.

[eboozer]

Worthless.

Say's you. I like to see, from a historical standpoint, how my team has done in the draft. Hopefully, I can look back in a few years and say, Idzik has done well in the draft, compared to other teams. It's a big part of how GM's are evaluated.

[j4jets]

Say's you. I like to see, from a historical standpoint, how my team has done in the draft. Hopefully, I can look back in a few years and say, Idzik has done well in the draft, compared to other teams. It's a big part of how GM's are evaluated.

 

Its a pretty good stat. Jets have been drafting pretty good overall in the last 8 years, since the Mangold/Brick draft.

[Sperm Edwards]

Say's you. I like to see, from a historical standpoint, how my team has done in the draft. Hopefully, I can look back in a few years and say, Idzik has done well in the draft, compared to other teams. It's a big part of how GM's are evaluated.

So because different GMs, using different scouts, had better luck in round 4, you think it's anything other than worthless to suggest that bears any relevance on how Idzik will fare in those rounds?

It may be interesting to look at for the sake of history, but as far as gauging what is going to be a good or bad round for us, it is worthless. If we do well or poorly in any round this year, it has nothing to do with how other Jets GMs did. Nothing.

But if you choose to believe in the Round 2 Jets Boogeyman, enjoy.

[eboozer]

So because different GMs, using different scouts, had better luck in round 4, you think it's anything other than worthless to suggest that bears any relevance on how Idzik will fare in those rounds?

It may be interesting to look at for the sake of history, but as far as gauging what is going to be a good or bad round for us, it is worthless. If we do well or poorly in any round this year, it has nothing to do with how other Jets GMs did. Nothing.

But if you choose to believe in the Round 2 Jets Boogeyman, enjoy.

Isn't that what I said? The 3rd - 5th round are said to be the premium value rds.(cost/value) Jets have had success in the 4th as compared to most other rds. If you want to pick a fight, you'll have to find someone else....

[Sperm Edwards]

Isn't that what I said? The 3rd - 5th round are said to be the premium value rds.(cost/value) Jets have had success in the 4th as compared to most other rds. If you want to pick a fight, you'll have to find someone else....

You said

Seems our nitch is in the 4th Rd. Nice to have 3 picks in our wheel house.

CB, OLB, QB would be the areas I'd like to see addressed in this rd.

 

And at the time I made my post, that was all you had said.

 

This suggests you believe in the future we are more likely to get a good player because it's round 4, as opposed to round 3 or round 5, based on past history that has nothing to do with Idzik nor any of the scouts the Jets now employ. If we do well in round 4, or poorly in another "historically bad" round for us, it is 100% coincidence.

 

It has nothing to do with picking a fight. Using this as a predictor for future Jets draft picks is worthless.  If you feel those are fighting words, that's on you.

[eboozer]

You said

Seems our nitch is in the 4th Rd. Nice to have 3 picks in our wheel house.

CB, OLB, QB would be the areas I'd like to see addressed in this rd.

And at the time I made my post, that was all you had said.

 

This suggests you believe in the future we are more likely to get a good player because it's round 4, as opposed to round 3 or round 5, based on past history that has nothing to do with Idzik nor any of the scouts the Jets now employ. If we do well in round 4, or poorly in another "historically bad" round for us, it is 100% coincidence.

 You win. I'm overmatched.

[Sperm Edwards]

 You win. I'm overmatched.

Lame. Insult me or something. Now what am I supposed to do other than look like an ogre? You a-hole.

[eboozer]

Lame. Insult me or something. Now what am I supposed to do other than look like an ogre? You a-hole.

Wow! The suggestions from "How to win Friends and Influence People" actually works!!

 

I have diffused a tense situation by deflecting the anger away from the conversation.

 

With that being said....

 

Happy Now?!

[CrazyCarl40]

Its a pretty good stat. Jets have been drafting pretty good overall in the last 8 years, since the Mangold/Brick draft.

Drafting pretty good? On what planet?

[Sperm Edwards]

Wow! The suggestions from "How to win Friends and Influence People" actually works!!

 

I have diffused a tense situation by deflecting the anger away from the conversation.

 

With that being said....

 

Happy Now?!

 

[j4jets]

Drafting pretty good? On what planet?

Perhaps click the link in the OP?

[Sperm Edwards]

Problem with the analysis is a team is deemed to be better at drafting if everyone else on the team is REALLY horrible.  Brownie points are given for pro bowl players, but if you get 50 starts out of a player (or whatever their magic number is), he was an efficient draft selection.

 

By their measure, Mark Sanchez was an efficient draft pick because he started over 60 games. It is assumed if he started that many games, that he was doing a super duper job (otherwise he wouldn't be starting!).  Thing is, if you're the Jets, and you traded your first, your second, a couple of starters, and over $20M in guaranteed cash, and don't have a competent QB on the roster, you're starting Mark Sanchez come hell or high water.  No matter how terrible he is, so long as the roster contains Kellen Clemens, Mark Brunell, Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy, and the like, as the only other options at the position, then Mark Sanchez is a successful - excuse me, an efficient - use of draft picks.

 

Oh and speaking of efficiency, do they care that we not only drafted him #5, but that we traded away 4 likely starters for him, plus maybe another one for all the crazy money paid to him.  No matter; this would serve as a prime example of efficiency in the draft.

[Jetknowledge]

I want to see who will be the sleeper, not hearing alot of lb or olb names

[CrazyCarl40]

Perhaps click the link in the OP?

I don't need to click on a link to know the Jets are a terrible team when it comes to the draft.

[jgb]

also skewed because if team stinks drafted players will get more starts even if they wouldn't on other teams

[j4jets]

I don't need to click on a link to know the Jets are a terrible team when it comes to the draft.

 

Really? Is that why you're trolling in this thread then? The thread that talks about Jets being an efficient team in the draft lately?

[j4jets]

also skewed because if team stinks drafted players will get more starts even if they wouldn't on other teams

 

Not really. Teams usually stink because of not having a good QB. A lot of the times even good players don't get to start on a bad team just because he's not #1 or #2 on the depth chart. I believe it evens out.

[jgb]

Not really. Teams usually stink because of not having a good QB. A lot of the times even good players don't get to start on a bad team just because he's not #1 or #2 on the depth chart. I believe it evens out.

 

have to admit i don't understand your argument that worse players don't tend to start on worse teams

[j4jets]

have to admit i don't understand your argument that worse players don't tend to start on worse teams

 

I never said that. All I said is that worse teams are generally worse because of their QB situation.

 

If u think worse players do tend to start on worse teams simply because they are a bad team, then good players on good teams should not be starting. By your same argument, since Jets have one of the best Ds in the league for the last 5 years, any defensive players drafted shouldn't be starting just because the D is already good. When in fact Jets have several rookies start and still perform.

 

Look at the Bills. They've drafted some really good talent. Their team has sucked for over a decade, but thats because they don't have a reliable QB. Players are drafted, especially in the earlier rounds, because teams have holes they want to fill. The stat might be skewed, but its skewed because the entire NFL has rookies starting just to get NFL exposure. If the entire NFL is doing it, then its not really skewed is it? It becomes a standard to measure against.

[CrazyCarl40]

Really? Is that why you're trolling in this thread then? The thread that talks about Jets being an efficient team in the draft lately?

 

Not trolling at all, bud. Just pointing out that this thread is based on a terrible study. Number of starts and number of Pro Bowls are not great indicators of team success. You said the Jets have been "pretty good since the Brick and Mangold draft.  Let's take a look shall we?

 

The Jets have made 48 draft picks since 2006. That by itself is below average.

 

Of those 48 drafted players since 2006, only 20 are still on the team. That's probably about league average. But look at a team like the Packers who had only 2 players last season who played for a team other than the Packers (which is obviously not the norm but it can be done!)

 

Of those 20, 12 of them are from the last two drafts (which means they haven't had the opportunity enough to show how bad they are to be cut from the practice squad after this year's draft).

 

Of those 8 players draft from 2006 through 2011, not named Brick or Mangold, only Wilkerson is the only name that stands out that has done anything worth mentioning when it comes to the Jets.

 

The Jets have no players left at all on the roster from the following drafts: 2008, 2009. The only player left from 2007 is David Harris, who is vastly overpaid and the only player left over from 2010 is Kyle Wilson, whom everyone has a strong dislike for. The only players left from 2006 are Brick and Mangold who are coming up on the wrong side of age and ability.

 

So. Yeah. The Jets are not good at drafting. They may improve under Idzik as it seems like he put a solid first draft together. We'll see how it holds up.

 

Sorry for trolling.

[jgb]

Really? Is that why you're trolling in this thread then? The thread that talks about Jets being an efficient team in the draft lately?

 

you write the study or something? you seem incredibly defensive about it. if you don't want a discussion, probably shouldn't be on a discussion forum.

[j4jets]

Not trolling at all, bud. Just pointing out that this thread is based on a terrible study. Number of starts and number of Pro Bowls are not great indicators of team success. You said the Jets have been "pretty good since the Brick and Mangold draft.  Let's take a look shall we?

 

The Jets have made 48 draft picks since 2006. That by itself is below average.

 

Of those 48 drafted players since 2006, only 20 are still on the team. That's probably about league average. But look at a team like the Packers who had only 2 players last season who played for a team other than the Packers (which is obviously not the norm but it can be done!)

 

Of those 20, 12 of them are from the last two drafts (which means they haven't had the opportunity enough to show how bad they are to be cut from the practice squad after this year's draft).

 

Of those 8 players draft from 2006 through 2011, not named Brick or Mangold, only Wilkerson is the only name that stands out that has done anything worth mentioning when it comes to the Jets.

 

The Jets have no players left at all on the roster from the following drafts: 2008, 2009. The only player left from 2007 is David Harris, who is vastly overpaid and the only player left over from 2010 is Kyle Wilson, whom everyone has a strong dislike for. The only players left from 2006 are Brick and Mangold who are coming up on the wrong side of age and ability.

 

So. Yeah. The Jets are not good at drafting. They may improve under Idzik as it seems like he put a solid first draft together. We'll see how it holds up.

 

Sorry for trolling.

 

2006 Draft:

 

D'Brick

Mangold

Kellen Clemens - Still in the league, and occasionally starting.

Eric Smith - Had an ok career with Jets. Career shortened due to injuries

Brad Smith - Not a bad 4th rounder. Excellent depth with some impact plays for the Jets.

Leon Washington - one of the elite return specialists, had a burst as an RB. Great depth at RB

Drew Coleman - Played in 83 games, occasionally starting. Good enough for a 6th rounder.

 

2007 draft:

 

Revis - All pro

Harris - 2nd team all pro in 2009.

 

2008 draft:

 

Ghost - bust

Keller - One of the better pass catching TE in the nfl until his career was shortened.

Lowery - Starting FS for Jags, but has been injury prone lately. Pretty good FS though.

 

2009 draft:

 

Sanchez - some call him bust, some call him talented enough to lead a team to two back to back AFCCG with the right tools.

Greene - Two 1k season with the Jets

Slauson - Has started every single game (64) besides his rookie year. Pretty good for a 6th rounder

 

2010 draft:

 

Wilson - not the best of the picks, but he was solid after Revis went down and lead the team along with Cro to one of the best pass Ds in the NFL that year. Call for his head, but he's a starter on more than half the NFL teams.

Ducasse - bust

McKnight - elite return man. Yeah, not valued much, but he was a 4th rounder, not a 1st.

 

2011 draft:

 

Wilkerson - All-pro caliber.

Kenrick Ellis - starter on a lot of the NFL teams.

Powell - Decent for a 4th rounder

Kerley - one of the better WRs Jets have had in the last 3 years.

 

2012 draft:

 

Coples - Has flashed a lot of potential. Should be good this year

Hill - probably bust, but will be around in the NFL.

Demario Davis - Starting LB and has played well

Bush/Allen - comp picks and starting for the Jets. Not great, but decent for 6th n 7th rounders.

 

2013 draft:

 

Milliner - Flashed his potential in the last few games

Richardson - DRoY

Geno Smith - Played well down the road. inconsistent like any rookie QB, especially with no talent on the O

Winters - starting guard. played ok in 2013.

 

 

Some busts? Yes, but a lot of good picks. Now if u feel like u want to disagree with me, please bring league wide stats to the table instead of calling out the Jets for drafting Gholston.

[j4jets]

you write the study or something? you seem incredibly defensive about it. if you don't want a discussion, probably shouldn't be on a discussion forum.

 

Umm...what makes u think that, officer? Just because I asked another poster to read what the OP had to offer? Are u ok? No, seriously, how do u come to that conclusion? And Im defending the Jets drafts of the last 8 years. Perhaps you were happy with our success in the early to mid 90s?

[jgb]

Umm...what makes u think that, officer? Just because I asked another poster to read what the OP had to offer? Are u ok? No, seriously, how do u come to that conclusion? And Im defending the Jets drafts of the last 8 years. Perhaps you were happy with our success in the early to mid 90s?

 

gee, i guess i'm wrong on the definition of being defensive. perfectly acceptable to call others "trolls" with differing opinions. carry on

[j4jets]

gee, i guess i'm wrong on the definition of being defensive. perfectly acceptable to call others "trolls" with differing opinions. carry on

 

I called him a troll cuz he didn't even read the OP and called me out for my opinion.

 

Am I under arrest?

 

[jgb]

I called him a troll cuz he didn't even read the OP and called me out for my opinion.

 

Am I under arrest?

 

 

yes. and you have been found guilty of extreme butt hurt.

[j4jets]

yes. and you have been found guilty of extreme butt hurt.

 

Hence the need to defend another poster...oh wait, thats u. never mind.

[jgb]

Hence the need to defend another poster...oh wait, thats u. never mind.

 

i'm sorry, the ruling is in and the jury has been dismissed. it could take months for your appeal to be heard, so just try to make yourself comfortable and remember not to sleep on your stomach.

[CrazyCarl40]

2006 Draft:

 

D'Brick

Mangold

Kellen Clemens - Still in the league, and occasionally starting.

Eric Smith - Had an ok career with Jets. Career shortened due to injuries

Brad Smith - Not a bad 4th rounder. Excellent depth with some impact plays for the Jets.

Leon Washington - one of the elite return specialists, had a burst as an RB. Great depth at RB

Drew Coleman - Played in 83 games, occasionally starting. Good enough for a 6th rounder.

 

2007 draft:

 

Revis - All pro

Harris - 2nd team all pro in 2009.

 

2008 draft:

 

Ghost - bust

Keller - One of the better pass catching TE in the nfl until his career was shortened.

Lowery - Starting FS for Jags, but has been injury prone lately. Pretty good FS though.

 

2009 draft:

 

Sanchez - some call him bust, some call him talented enough to lead a team to two back to back AFCCG with the right tools.

Greene - Two 1k season with the Jets

Slauson - Has started every single game (64) besides his rookie year. Pretty good for a 6th rounder

 

2010 draft:

 

Wilson - not the best of the picks, but he was solid after Revis went down and lead the team along with Cro to one of the best pass Ds in the NFL that year. Call for his head, but he's a starter on more than half the NFL teams.

Ducasse - bust

McKnight - elite return man. Yeah, not valued much, but he was a 4th rounder, not a 1st.

 

2011 draft:

 

Wilkerson - All-pro caliber.

Kenrick Ellis - starter on a lot of the NFL teams.

Powell - Decent for a 4th rounder

Kerley - one of the better WRs Jets have had in the last 3 years.

 

2012 draft:

 

Coples - Has flashed a lot of potential. Should be good this year

Hill - probably bust, but will be around in the NFL.

Demario Davis - Starting LB and has played well

Bush/Allen - comp picks and starting for the Jets. Not great, but decent for 6th n 7th rounders.

 

2013 draft:

 

Milliner - Flashed his potential in the last few games

Richardson - DRoY

Geno Smith - Played well down the road. inconsistent like any rookie QB, especially with no talent on the O

Winters - starting guard. played ok in 2013.

 

 

Some busts? Yes, but a lot of good picks. Now if u feel like u want to disagree with me, please bring league wide stats to the table instead of calling out the Jets for drafting Gholston.

 

So, how many Super Bowl rings?