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#26 Matt39

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:15 AM

Wrong thread

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:16 AM

Yeah, I understood your premise. And don't worry, I'll remember.. I'll remember.

 

i'll try to remember :winking0001:


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:42 PM

Pressure is self created.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 08:09 AM

And if he doesn't come back like he was, before long no one will remember or talk about the scrutiny Idzik & the Jets went through this offseason. It'll seem, in hindsight, like a "duh, of course" move. Meanwhile the press was all over him for even considering the idea of trading Revis, arguably the best on-field player the franchise has ever had, and again for only getting back a #13 pick (not even a top 10 pick) in a top-light draft and a conditional 4th next year.

Meanwhle if Revis is great again for years to come he'll certainly have to deal with continued criticism (particularly if/when there's a big bump in the cap limit shortly) he may never live down, no matter how kookie $16M/year (and forgoing a #1 pick and more) is for a team still at square 1 of a massive rebuild (with super-little cap room to spend at the time).

What dealing Revis was about, I think, was a bigger point than the money and future production because simply paying him shouldn't have been an issue. I think it was a bigger message that the drama and disrespect and consistent holdouts are done, nobody is going to hold this team hostage that isn't a bona fide 1st ballot QB. I hate to use a hockey analogy but it is a capped sport, so, look at the Devils. They do not give into player demands, they build through the draft and make smart trades and free agency moves. Those trades more often than not use a star Devil as bait. Three Cups and Four total appearances later and numerous playoff runs later in about 20 years, I would say there may be something to that strategy. I can think of ONE player in my 28 years that they paid up for, Ilya Kovalchuck, who is a 1ballot HOF, scores a ton of goals and, tbh I think the owner stepped in front of Lou anyway. You can say the same think, to a lesser executed extent to the Patriots, definitely the Steelers, Green Bay, and that is probably about it. Basically the most successful teams in their respective sports, fwiw. Nobody holds the team hostage, period. You could hear the shock in the players voice in the media. Message sent.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 05:53 PM

Err, New York...Tampa. New York...Tampa
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Posted 30 June 2013 - 06:47 PM

He'll be feeling that pressure when we beat that ass on Week 1...


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:17 PM

He'll be feeling that pressure when we beat that ass on Week 1...


Doubtful. He wouldn't even have to play for the Buccs to beat the Jets. Who would he even cover at the point? Kerley? Ha.
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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:49 PM

Doubtful. He wouldn't even have to play for the Buccs to beat the Jets. Who would he even cover at the point? Kerley? Ha.

Our defense can beat Glennon/Freeman.  If our offense is above average, we'll do fine at home against the Bucs.  Revis will probably cover Holmes if healthy...


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 08:07 PM

What dealing Revis was about, I think, was a bigger point than the money and future production because simply paying him shouldn't have been an issue. I think it was a bigger message that the drama and disrespect and consistent holdouts are done, nobody is going to hold this team hostage that isn't a bona fide 1st ballot QB. I hate to use a hockey analogy but it is a capped sport, so, look at the Devils. They do not give into player demands, they build through the draft and make smart trades and free agency moves. Those trades more often than not use a star Devil as bait. Three Cups and Four total appearances later and numerous playoff runs later in about 20 years, I would say there may be something to that strategy. I can think of ONE player in my 28 years that they paid up for, Ilya Kovalchuck, who is a 1ballot HOF, scores a ton of goals and, tbh I think the owner stepped in front of Lou anyway. You can say the same think, to a lesser executed extent to the Patriots, definitely the Steelers, Green Bay, and that is probably about it. Basically the most successful teams in their respective sports, fwiw. Nobody holds the team hostage, period. You could hear the shock in the players voice in the media. Message sent.

 

I think it was about the money.  A CB is not worth $16M/year (and passing up on a 1st round pick plus more).  And certainly not worth it when 1 of those years is going to be for a team starting a massive tear-down-then-rebuild.  One could argue it if the team had a narrow window (like we had - or thought we had - a few years back), where >50% of your core team won't be on the team or nearly as good due to age in 3 years.  Then I could see going for broke (wise or foolish in hindsight, I could see & rationalize doing it).

 

I have no doubt some of it was personal with Woody.  But in the end it was a stupid amount to pay a CB, particularly one coming off a serious knee injury, hence the massive league-wide disinterest in Revis just 2-3 months ago.  Idzik did a fine job considering his injury history, his holdout history, his demands, and that there was only one suitor; kind of hard to get a bidding war going that way.  He took a lot of heat from a lot of people and have no doubt this was the best possible deal (or anything better would have been insignificantly better).

 

But while the owner is the same, this is a new GM and in the end it was about the ridiculous money Revis wanted.  An amount so many incorrectly doubted he actually wanted. 


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:47 AM

Our defense can beat Glennon/Freeman.  If our offense is above average, we'll do fine at home against the Bucs.  Revis will probably cover Holmes if healthy...

 

What about the defense makes you think we can stop that running game?

 

And the offense will not be above or even at average.  That's wishful thinking at best, as is thinking Holmes will play week one.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:52 AM

I think it was about the money.  A CB is not worth $16M/year (and passing up on a 1st round pick plus more).  And certainly not worth it when 1 of those years is going to be for a team starting a massive tear-down-then-rebuild.  One could argue it if the team had a narrow window (like we had - or thought we had - a few years back), where >50% of your core team won't be on the team or nearly as good due to age in 3 years.  Then I could see going for broke (wise or foolish in hindsight, I could see & rationalize doing it).

 

I have no doubt some of it was personal with Woody.  But in the end it was a stupid amount to pay a CB, particularly one coming off a serious knee injury, hence the massive league-wide disinterest in Revis just 2-3 months ago.  Idzik did a fine job considering his injury history, his holdout history, his demands, and that there was only one suitor; kind of hard to get a bidding war going that way.  He took a lot of heat from a lot of people and have no doubt this was the best possible deal (or anything better would have been insignificantly better).

 

But while the owner is the same, this is a new GM and in the end it was about the ridiculous money Revis wanted.  An amount so many incorrectly doubted he actually wanted. 

It sounds like, while arguing different points, we're arriving at the same conclusion. I think it was about precedent, and you're saying the money is ridiculous for his position, which wouldn't be much of a jump to then say, you're talking about setting precedent.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:26 AM

What about the defense makes you think we can stop that running game?

 

And the offense will not be above or even at average.  That's wishful thinking at best, as is thinking Holmes will play week one.

I see that you are a very optimistic person :winking0001: 

Needless to say, run may be a weakness but as long as they don't constantly gash us, we'll be fine.  MM is a good coordinator.  He'll have us to average levels at worst.  Don't worry...


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:12 PM

What about the defense makes you think we can stop that running game?

 

And the offense will not be above or even at average.  That's wishful thinking at best, as is thinking Holmes will play week one.

 

The Jets D vs their running game will probably be a major key to that game, but I think it's tough to know one way or the other how that will all shake out at this point.  Save for Wilk and Harris, you're talking about an entirely different front 7 than the one the Jets were trotting out there a year ago.

 

The Jets offense?  That's a whole other story.  At the very least, I can't imagine them being be any worse.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:21 PM

Line play + how good Ivory is...and im leaning towards this offense being a bit better than last year.

 

And unless Marty can get Sanchez going in the short passing game/dump offs to backs...I expect the passing game to stink again.


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