Scouts take on Brock Bowers - merged

[Matt39]

BROCK BOWERS, Georgia (6-3, 241, no 40, 1): Third-year junior. “Thing that’s interesting about him is this is not a Rob Gronkowski (6-6, 260, 4.67), Travis Kelce (6-5, 257, 4.63) body,” said one scout. “This is almost like a fullback body. If you draft him and play him just as a pure tight end, you’ll be disappointed. He’s not going to go hammer those 260-pound defensive end and outside backers in the run game. And it’s not like he’s going to go out-jump some of these defensive backs for the ball. He really didn’t make a ton of plays like that. Most of his plays are run after catch. He’s excellent with the ball in his hand. That whole offense ran through Bowers. Outside, inside, motion, slot, backfield. They schemed him up and they’d get the ball to him quickly in the flat. He’d turn up, break the tackle and go for 18 more yards. (Fit) will be a real key to his success.” A second scout equated Bowers’ work after the catch to Harrison’s. “If he catches it on the run, he’s a mother------,” he said. “If the dude from Iowa (Sam LaPorta) can do what he did this year there’s no reason Brock can’t do that or even more. Now is that worth a top-10 pick? He might end up falling because he’s not a three-down player. You’ve got to limit his reps and use him as a true ‘U.’ Keep him on the back side to come across in motion and whack guys. He’s not a point-of-attack player. He’s not as athletic as (Kyle) Pitts getting in and out of breaks. He doesn’t have that basketball uniqueness. But he’s got length (32 ¾-inch arms) and rare ball skills.” Finished with 175 catches for 2,538 (14.5) and 26 TDs. “He’s just a quiet guy,” a third scout said. “Keeps to himself. Does the right thing. Always on time.” From Napa, Calif.
 

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By Bob McGinn

Wide receiver Marvin Harrison and tight end Brock Bowers enter the NFL draft as the preeminent players at their positions.

Another wideout, Adonai Mitchell, was regarded by an AFC scouting director as “probably the biggest wild card of all the receivers.”

How the three prospects handled the offseason left a trail of unanswered questions and some reservations among teams with the draft a week away.

At the combine, Harrison agreed to be measured and weighed, consented to medical examinations and was interviewed by teams. At the Ohio State pro day two weeks later, his weight, arm measurement and hand measurement were taken but he decided against having the Cleveland Browns’ scouts measure his height.

Harrison declined to run routes at Indianapolis or Columbus.

“We’ll never have a 40 time,” said another AFC personnel director. “He hasn’t done any testing whatsoever. I think he’ll play fast enough. He’s not a burner by any stretch.”

Four scouts were asked to estimate Harrison’s 40 time. One said 4.45, another said “low 4.4s,” a third said 4.43 and a fourth said 4.56.

“We’ve had this discussion for three years about this,” an NFC executive said. “All skill positions will begin to decrease the measureables of the combine and the workout. It’s called modern-day athletes. It’s what they do.”

His father, Marvin, went to the combine in February 1996. He measured (6-0, 181), did the medical, was interviewed and took the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic test (he scored 12). He did not run a 40 or participate in on-field drills.

A few weeks later, Harrison did run the 40 at Syracuse. The Green Bay Packers arrived at a time of 4.29 after factoring in the surface (indoor track) and the fact Harrison wore spikes.

“Ted Thompson was a math wizard,” said Ron Wolf, the team’s general manager who hired the team’s future GM as a pro scout in January 1992. “He figured out how to take what we had and transform it to our speed chart.”

Not long after the pro day John Brunner, a scout for the San Francisco 49ers, said Harrison ran “like a 4.2” and had a “fabulous” workout. John Butler, an executive for the Buffalo Bills, said his team’s time was 4.27.

Like Harrison, Bowers participated in the basics at the combine but stopped short of running a 40, testing or working out. One week later, he weighed in once more at the Georgia pro day but didn’t participate because of what the Falcons’ staffer directing the event noted was an “injured right hamstring.”

On April 10, about four weeks after his injury, Bowers got on the scale at the start of a three-player workout for assembled scouts. Then he performed positional drills but again refused the 40, the jumps and the shuttles.

“I think he’s hiding,” said one personnel man. “Now the people that love him will go, ‘Oh, no, it’s OK.’ I don’t think he would have worked out well. I don’t think he can run. I think he’d run 4.8.”

His estimation was at one end of the spectrum among the six scouts that offered their educated guesses on Bowers’ time. Others said 4.65, 4.53, “low to mid 4.6s,” 4.55 and 4.64.

“They (Georgia officials) claim he’ll run in the 4.4s but it wouldn’t shock me … if he only ran 4.5,” an AFC executive said. “I think people would be a little underwhelmed even though that’s still really good for what he is. I think he’s just trying to avoid the letdown and just keep his perfect resume he’s put on tape.”

Teams are preparing to pay top draft choices millions of dollars. Their scouts have relied on workout numbers to complete their athletic profiles of prospects.

“You do the work on the tape and you have that vision and the direction what you think a player is in your mind,” said an AFC personnel man. “Then the workouts confirm or raise more questions. You want to just put that stamp on a kid and it leaves question marks.

“Unfortunately, I think that’s the direction things are going. From their standpoint, their argument is look at the tape, let that determine everything. Which is great but, from my standpoint, you want to see things compare.

“From those specific players’ standpoint, Bowers and Harrison, I don’t know too many teams that will pass on them just because they didn’t (test). I think because of that more top players may say, ‘Shoot. I had just as productive career as Harrison and Bowers. I’m not going to do anything … I’ll measure and do interviews.’”

Like Harrison and Bowers, Mitchell was a junior who spent only three seasons in college. His resume, however, wasn’t as impressive because of limited playing time and a high-ankle sprain during his two years at Georgia.

Coming off a 55-reception, 11-touchdown season at Texas, Mitchell did everything at the combine other than the short shuttle, the 3-cone and the bench press. And, after his blazing 40 of 4.35 and exceptional distances in the jumps, his decision to work at the combine appeared to be paying off.

Then Mitchell, wearing the WO19 jersey, started running the various routes in line with other wide receivers. His performance was insufficient, to say the least.

“He blew that 40 out, which didn’t surprise me,” one veteran scout said. “But then his position workout might have been the worst I’ve seen by a top receiver. He was falling over. He dropped balls. He had to keep redoing. It seemed as if he didn’t know how to run routes. He just seemed out of it.

“Generally, I don’t get alarmed by a combine. That was alarming.”

Based on television coverage, Mitchell staggered and fell during the gauntlet, dropped the first two slants, dropped an out and either messed up the route or failed to make the catch on his next three attempts. His performance was adequate after that.

“He was very linear, very straight line,” another scout said watching Mitchell at the combine. “Which surprised me, because in my limited exposure, for a fast guy, I thought he could actually bend and get in and out of his cuts.

“After running fast, the position stuff didn’t match. It wasn’t terrible. It wasn’t fatal. But it definitely raised some alerts with me. He didn’t have a great combine.”

Mitchell stood on his combine numbers and did position drills March 21 at Texas pro day, leaving the bench press and shuttles void.

Unlike last year, when the class of tight ends outshone the wide receivers, the wideouts could dominate the first round whereas Bowers might be the lone tight end drafted in the first two rounds.

“The college and high-school game has gone like our game,” an AFC executive said. “You’re putting your best athletes in position to score. Every team has three, four, five (capable) wideouts.

“Tight end has lost its luster in college football. Finding a guy that can run routes and has enough size to be called a tight end and still catch the ball well and perform some blocking … those are valuable pieces. Just not a ton of them.”

In 2023, Ohio State’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba went to Seattle at No. 20 as the first wide receiver selected. When 15 scouts were asked how many of this draft’s wideouts were better prospects than Smith-Njigba, their average response was five.

Those 15 executives plus another were asked to rank the wide receivers on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis. A first-place vote was worth 5 points, a second-place vote was worth 4 and so on.

Harrison, with 11 firsts, led with 72 points. Following, in order, were Malik Nabers (65, four), Rome Odunze (49, one), Brian Thomas (13), Xavier Worthy (12), Keon Coleman (eight), Mitchell (eight), Xavier Legette (seven), Ladd McConkey (three), Ja’Lynn Polk (two) and Roman Wilson (one).

With 15 voters at tight end voting on a 1-2-3-4 basis, the results were: Bowers (58, 14 firsts), Ja’Tavion Sanders (26), Ben Sinnott (20, one), Theo Johnson (17), Cade Stover (10), Jared Wiley (nine), Erick All (four), Tip Reiman (three), Tanner McLachlan (two) and Johnny Wilson (one).

 

[Sammybighead]

The first part of the post is kinda how I was left feeling after watching his tape. Really good prospect, but he's limited in certain respects. Are we really about to turn the keys over to a rookie TE and run a huge chunk of the offense through him in a win now year? If so, ok, great. If you don't and try to make him an inline TE as well, are you really getting the most out of him to the point where it's worth #10?

It's funny the scout mentioned he had a fullbacks body. In another thread I called him a rich man's Kyle juszczyk. Maybe that's a bit extreme but I was trying to make a point about his potential limitations. And for those saying "well he's not going to be a TE, he's a weapon/WR, that's great but I don't see evidence of him lining up outside and winning like a wr. So why not just draft a WR? (Or a really good slot in the 3rd)?

I know his "downfield" highlights were posted the other day, but how many of those reps was he lined up outside and won (and not starting in the slot)?

[Matt39]

Just now, Sammybighead said:

The first part of the post is kinda how I was left feeling after watching his tape. Really good prospect, but he's limited in certain respects. Are we really about to turn the keys over to a rookie TE and run a huge chunk of the offense through him in a win now year? If so, ok, great. If you don't and try to make him an inline TE as well, are you really getting the most out of him to the point where it's worth #10?

It's funny the scout mentioned he had a fullbacks body. In another thread I called him a rich man's Kyle juszczyk. Maybe that's a bit extreme but I was trying to make a point about his potential limitations. And for those saying "well he's not going to be a TE, he's a weapon/WR, that's great but I don't see evidence of him lining up outside and winning like a wr. So why not just draft a WR? (Or a really good slot in the 3rd)?

I know his "downfield" highlights were posted the other day, but how many of those reps was he lined up outside and won (and not starting in the slot)?

I’m really just diving into the draft now and looking into Bowers because of all of the Jets smoke. I just don’t see top 10. The Kansas State tight end looks like the better player to me, and he tested off of the charts. 

[Gastineau Lives]

In before pigeon attack 

[Guilhermezmc]

If the Jets take him he's a bust but if he falls to the Bengals he's a first ballot hall of famer, the overanalyzing of Bowers as a prospect is really dumb and the positional value BS is too.

No one is talking about how Detroit really went full "bad" positional value in last years draft, when they reached a conference championship.

[Claymation]

He doesn't know that Drake Maye played for the Tar Heels and not the WolfPak. I don't know how much credence I can give this man about scouting prospects if he can't get something like this correct.

[RedBeardedSavage]

6 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said:

If the Jets take him he's a bust but if he falls to the Bengals he's a first ballot hall of famer, the overanalyzing of Bowers as a prospect is really dumb and the positional value BS is too.

No one is talking about how Detroit really went full "bad" positional value in last years draft, when they reached a conference championship.

Give us that Detroit o line and Breece Hall has a 2k season. 

[Jet Nut]

Who’s the “scout”. Here?  The first guy’s piece you copied and pasted is a scout?  Have no idea where it’s from or by who. 
The second guy, Bob McGinn, is a retired media guy from Green Bay, not a scout.  Not an expert

[Matt39]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Who’s the “scout”. Here?  The first guy’s piece you copied and pasted is a scout?  The second guy is a retired media guy from Green Bay, not a scout.  
 

Go away

[Barry McCockinner]

Good thing we have an innovative offensive coordinator who will think outside the box and carve out a role for this kid.

[CTJetsFan]

Good read. Thanks for posting.

I thought it was interesting that 15 executives felt that 5 WRs in this year's draft are better than JSN who was first WR taken last year.

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Go away

Simple question.  Pretty relevant 
Who did you quote in the first piece.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

First, the scout who guessed Bowers runs a 4.8 should be discredited.

Bowers is a case you don’t over-analyze.  You put on 3 years of tape against the best competition in college football, against future NFL players and stars.  

1. How dominant was he?  Very

2. Did he step up in the biggest games?  Yes

3. Was he a mismatch against CBs, LBs, Safeties?  Yes because of his unique athletic profile:  combo of size, speed, explosiveness, contact balance, toughness

4. Did he jump off the screen?  Yes

5. Did teams find ways to stop him after 3 years?  His TDs did go down but his stats stand tall even in the face of more attention

6. What did opposing coaches like Nick Saban say about him?  ‘One of the premier players in college football’, ‘best TE in the country’, ‘a mismatch problem’, ‘a good blocker’

7. Are there red flags?  By all accounts, a great and humble kid

[Matt39]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

simple question. 
Who did you quote in the first piece.  

Bob McGinn has been putting out this piece for like the last 30 years. He gets a collection of scouts and their thoughts where you actually get some uncut opinions on players. He’s the only draft guy worth reading at this point

[Gastineau Lives]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Go away

[Matt39]

Just now, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

First, the guy who guessed he runs a 4.8 should be discredited.

Bowers is a case you don’t over-analyze.  You put on 3 years of tape against the best competition in college football.

1. How dominant was he?  Very

2. Did he step up in the biggest games?  Yes

3. Was he a mismatch against CBs, LBs, Safeties?  Yes because of his unique athletic profile:  combo of size, speed, explosiveness, toughness

4. Did he jump off the screen?  Yes

5. Did teams find ways to stop him after 3 years?  His TDs did go down but his stats stand tall even in the face of more attention

6. What did opposing coaches like Nick Saban say about him?  ‘One of the premier players in college football’, ‘best TE in the country’, ‘a mismatch problem’, ‘a good blocker’

7. Are there red flags?  By all accounts, a great and humble kid

Bowers has not jumped off of the screen for me. I’m just one guy though. But I feel like I’ve watched enough football to make that conclusion. Just watching vs the Kansas State tight end, and the KSU kid looks bigger, faster, stronger.

[Rich Thornburgh]

This is not going to end well

[Rich Thornburgh]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Bob McGinn has been putting out this piece for like the last 30 years. He gets a collection of scouts and their thoughts where you actually get some uncut opinions on players. He’s the only draft guy worth reading at this point

Your talking to JetNut he thinks Woody Johnson knows what he’s doing 

[Gastineau Lives]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

KSU kid looks bigger, faster, stronger.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Bowers has not jumped off of the screen for me. I’m just one guy though. But I feel like I’ve watched enough football to make that conclusion. Just watching vs the Kansas State tight end, and the KSU kid looks bigger, faster, stronger.

You would be in the minority.  Bowers highlight tape is a thing of beauty against the best competition in college football.

Don’t just look at yards after the catch, look at yards after contact.  I don’t know what to tell you if you cannot see his explosiveness, suddenness, balance, leaping ability …

[Adoni Beast]

15 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Good thing we have an innovative offensive coordinator who will think outside the box and carve out a role for this kid.

This has been my biggest justification for being hesitant to draft Bowers. He needs a great offensive mind to get the most out of him.

LaPorta, Kelce, Andrews, Kittle....all have top notch offensive coaches either HC or OC scheming them around.

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

48 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

The first part of the post is kinda how I was left feeling after watching his tape. Really good prospect, but he's limited in certain respects. Are we really about to turn the keys over to a rookie TE and run a huge chunk of the offense through him in a win now year? If so, ok, great. If you don't and try to make him an inline TE as well, are you really getting the most out of him to the point where it's worth #10?

It's funny the scout mentioned he had a fullbacks body. In another thread I called him a rich man's Kyle juszczyk. Maybe that's a bit extreme but I was trying to make a point about his potential limitations. And for those saying "well he's not going to be a TE, he's a weapon/WR, that's great but I don't see evidence of him lining up outside and winning like a wr. So why not just draft a WR? (Or a really good slot in the 3rd)?

I know his "downfield" highlights were posted the other day, but how many of those reps was he lined up outside and won (and not starting in the slot)?

He’s about the same size as Evan Engram who is a wr pretending to be a TE.  

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 minute ago, Adoni Beast said:

This has been my biggest justification for being hesitant to draft Bowers. He needs a great offensive mind to get the most out of him.

LaPorta, Kelce, Andrews, Kittle....all have top notch offensive coaches either HC or OC scheming them around.

 

LaPorta is also playing with by far the league’s best offensive line.  He isn’t asked to block a lot because he doesn’t have to

[Claymation]

3 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

I have the theme song playing in my head watching this. 🤣

[ChewyandtheJets]

29 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said:

If the Jets take him he's a bust but if he falls to the Bengals he's a first ballot hall of famer, the overanalyzing of Bowers as a prospect is really dumb and the positional value BS is too.

No one is talking about how Detroit really went full "bad" positional value in last years draft, when they reached a conference championship.

Your argument loses a little muster when you compare pick 10 to pick 34.   If we trade down and get picks 20 and 34 and take a tackle and then bowers at 34 I think it’s safe to say we would have a party on this board. 

[Gastineau Lives]

2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

He’s about the same size as Evan Engram who is a wr pretending to be a TE.  

[Adoni Beast]

Just now, Rich Thornburgh said:

LaPorta is also playing with by far the league’s best offensive line.  He isn’t asked to block a lot because he doesn’t have to

Good point and the same can be said about KC, Baltimore, and SF. All great OLs. Even more reason why it is buyer beware with Bowers.

Bowers after a trade down? Sure. at 10? Naaaah.

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Your talking to JetNut he thinks Woody Johnson knows what he’s doing 

Look the troll is attempting conscious thought.

Do us a favor, go find the post where I said that or stfu already. 

[Ecuadorian Jet]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

BROCK BOWERS, Georgia (6-3, 241, no 40, 1): Third-year junior. “Thing that’s interesting about him is this is not a Rob Gronkowski (6-6, 260, 4.67), Travis Kelce (6-5, 257, 4.63) body,” said one scout. “This is almost like a fullback body. If you draft him and play him just as a pure tight end, you’ll be disappointed. He’s not going to go hammer those 260-pound defensive end and outside backers in the run game. And it’s not like he’s going to go out-jump some of these defensive backs for the ball. He really didn’t make a ton of plays like that. Most of his plays are run after catch. He’s excellent with the ball in his hand. That whole offense ran through Bowers. Outside, inside, motion, slot, backfield. They schemed him up and they’d get the ball to him quickly in the flat. He’d turn up, break the tackle and go for 18 more yards. (Fit) will be a real key to his success.” A second scout equated Bowers’ work after the catch to Harrison’s. “If he catches it on the run, he’s a mother------,” he said. “If the dude from Iowa (Sam LaPorta) can do what he did this year there’s no reason Brock can’t do that or even more. Now is that worth a top-10 pick? He might end up falling because he’s not a three-down player. You’ve got to limit his reps and use him as a true ‘U.’ Keep him on the back side to come across in motion and whack guys. He’s not a point-of-attack player. He’s not as athletic as (Kyle) Pitts getting in and out of breaks. He doesn’t have that basketball uniqueness. But he’s got length (32 ¾-inch arms) and rare ball skills.” Finished with 175 catches for 2,538 (14.5) and 26 TDs. “He’s just a quiet guy,” a third scout said. “Keeps to himself. Does the right thing. Always on time.” From Napa, Calif.
 

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By Bob McGinn

Wide receiver Marvin Harrison and tight end Brock Bowers enter the NFL draft as the preeminent players at their positions.

Another wideout, Adonai Mitchell, was regarded by an AFC scouting director as “probably the biggest wild card of all the receivers.”

How the three prospects handled the offseason left a trail of unanswered questions and some reservations among teams with the draft a week away.

At the combine, Harrison agreed to be measured and weighed, consented to medical examinations and was interviewed by teams. At the Ohio State pro day two weeks later, his weight, arm measurement and hand measurement were taken but he decided against having the Cleveland Browns’ scouts measure his height.

Harrison declined to run routes at Indianapolis or Columbus.

“We’ll never have a 40 time,” said another AFC personnel director. “He hasn’t done any testing whatsoever. I think he’ll play fast enough. He’s not a burner by any stretch.”

Four scouts were asked to estimate Harrison’s 40 time. One said 4.45, another said “low 4.4s,” a third said 4.43 and a fourth said 4.56.

“We’ve had this discussion for three years about this,” an NFC executive said. “All skill positions will begin to decrease the measureables of the combine and the workout. It’s called modern-day athletes. It’s what they do.”

His father, Marvin, went to the combine in February 1996. He measured (6-0, 181), did the medical, was interviewed and took the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic test (he scored 12). He did not run a 40 or participate in on-field drills.

A few weeks later, Harrison did run the 40 at Syracuse. The Green Bay Packers arrived at a time of 4.29 after factoring in the surface (indoor track) and the fact Harrison wore spikes.

“Ted Thompson was a math wizard,” said Ron Wolf, the team’s general manager who hired the team’s future GM as a pro scout in January 1992. “He figured out how to take what we had and transform it to our speed chart.”

Not long after the pro day John Brunner, a scout for the San Francisco 49ers, said Harrison ran “like a 4.2” and had a “fabulous” workout. John Butler, an executive for the Buffalo Bills, said his team’s time was 4.27.

Like Harrison, Bowers participated in the basics at the combine but stopped short of running a 40, testing or working out. One week later, he weighed in once more at the Georgia pro day but didn’t participate because of what the Falcons’ staffer directing the event noted was an “injured right hamstring.”

On April 10, about four weeks after his injury, Bowers got on the scale at the start of a three-player workout for assembled scouts. Then he performed positional drills but again refused the 40, the jumps and the shuttles.

“I think he’s hiding,” said one personnel man. “Now the people that love him will go, ‘Oh, no, it’s OK.’ I don’t think he would have worked out well. I don’t think he can run. I think he’d run 4.8.”

His estimation was at one end of the spectrum among the six scouts that offered their educated guesses on Bowers’ time. Others said 4.65, 4.53, “low to mid 4.6s,” 4.55 and 4.64.

“They (Georgia officials) claim he’ll run in the 4.4s but it wouldn’t shock me … if he only ran 4.5,” an AFC executive said. “I think people would be a little underwhelmed even though that’s still really good for what he is. I think he’s just trying to avoid the letdown and just keep his perfect resume he’s put on tape.”

Teams are preparing to pay top draft choices millions of dollars. Their scouts have relied on workout numbers to complete their athletic profiles of prospects.

“You do the work on the tape and you have that vision and the direction what you think a player is in your mind,” said an AFC personnel man. “Then the workouts confirm or raise more questions. You want to just put that stamp on a kid and it leaves question marks.

“Unfortunately, I think that’s the direction things are going. From their standpoint, their argument is look at the tape, let that determine everything. Which is great but, from my standpoint, you want to see things compare.

“From those specific players’ standpoint, Bowers and Harrison, I don’t know too many teams that will pass on them just because they didn’t (test). I think because of that more top players may say, ‘Shoot. I had just as productive career as Harrison and Bowers. I’m not going to do anything … I’ll measure and do interviews.’”

Like Harrison and Bowers, Mitchell was a junior who spent only three seasons in college. His resume, however, wasn’t as impressive because of limited playing time and a high-ankle sprain during his two years at Georgia.

Coming off a 55-reception, 11-touchdown season at Texas, Mitchell did everything at the combine other than the short shuttle, the 3-cone and the bench press. And, after his blazing 40 of 4.35 and exceptional distances in the jumps, his decision to work at the combine appeared to be paying off.

Then Mitchell, wearing the WO19 jersey, started running the various routes in line with other wide receivers. His performance was insufficient, to say the least.

“He blew that 40 out, which didn’t surprise me,” one veteran scout said. “But then his position workout might have been the worst I’ve seen by a top receiver. He was falling over. He dropped balls. He had to keep redoing. It seemed as if he didn’t know how to run routes. He just seemed out of it.

“Generally, I don’t get alarmed by a combine. That was alarming.”

Based on television coverage, Mitchell staggered and fell during the gauntlet, dropped the first two slants, dropped an out and either messed up the route or failed to make the catch on his next three attempts. His performance was adequate after that.

“He was very linear, very straight line,” another scout said watching Mitchell at the combine. “Which surprised me, because in my limited exposure, for a fast guy, I thought he could actually bend and get in and out of his cuts.

“After running fast, the position stuff didn’t match. It wasn’t terrible. It wasn’t fatal. But it definitely raised some alerts with me. He didn’t have a great combine.”

Mitchell stood on his combine numbers and did position drills March 21 at Texas pro day, leaving the bench press and shuttles void.

Unlike last year, when the class of tight ends outshone the wide receivers, the wideouts could dominate the first round whereas Bowers might be the lone tight end drafted in the first two rounds.

“The college and high-school game has gone like our game,” an AFC executive said. “You’re putting your best athletes in position to score. Every team has three, four, five (capable) wideouts.

“Tight end has lost its luster in college football. Finding a guy that can run routes and has enough size to be called a tight end and still catch the ball well and perform some blocking … those are valuable pieces. Just not a ton of them.”

In 2023, Ohio State’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba went to Seattle at No. 20 as the first wide receiver selected. When 15 scouts were asked how many of this draft’s wideouts were better prospects than Smith-Njigba, their average response was five.

Those 15 executives plus another were asked to rank the wide receivers on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis. A first-place vote was worth 5 points, a second-place vote was worth 4 and so on.

Harrison, with 11 firsts, led with 72 points. Following, in order, were Malik Nabers (65, four), Rome Odunze (49, one), Brian Thomas (13), Xavier Worthy (12), Keon Coleman (eight), Mitchell (eight), Xavier Legette (seven), Ladd McConkey (three), Ja’Lynn Polk (two) and Roman Wilson (one).

With 15 voters at tight end voting on a 1-2-3-4 basis, the results were: Bowers (58, 14 firsts), Ja’Tavion Sanders (26), Ben Sinnott (20, one), Theo Johnson (17), Cade Stover (10), Jared Wiley (nine), Erick All (four), Tip Reiman (three), Tanner McLachlan (two) and Johnny Wilson (one).

 

The great part is that we have the most dynamic creative and flexible OC in the league.

 

 

 

 

 

[Gastineau Lives]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Look the troll is attempting conscious thought.

 

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Good point and the same can be said about KC, Baltimore, and SF. All great OLs. Even more reason why it is buyer beware with Bowers.

Bowers after a trade down? Sure. at 10? Naaaah.

Yet you’re against fuaga?  I think he’s what the jets need

[ARodJetsFan]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I know there are plenty of people advocating for Bowers, I'm just not one of them.

At #10 over all, I'd be good with one of the 3 top OT's (Alt, Fashanu or Fuaga), one of the top 3 WR's (Odunze, Nabors or Harrison Jr) otherwise trade down & try to recoup a 2nd rounder if possible.

If the Jets 1st round pans out any other way, I'd be disappointed and it certainly wouldn't be the first time thats happened.

[Rich Thornburgh]

3 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Good point and the same can be said about KC, Baltimore, and SF. All great OLs. Even more reason why it is buyer beware with Bowers.

Bowers after a trade down? Sure. at 10? Naaaah.

I just don’t get the hype about bowers.  The athletes in the nfl are bigger, stronger and faster he’s not going to routinely run them over like he did these college players 

[Vudu]

I think we should go WR at 10

[Rich Thornburgh]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Look the troll is attempting conscious thought.

Do us a favor, go find the post where I said that or stfu already. 

Does Zach just need weaponz?