Blackout Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 eh? Well lets see..Career TD's 135 ( I know Martinettes TD's don't matter)Only had 2 yr's with over 300 carries,but 3 years in a row with over 250 he avg 5.4 per carry! Had 5 yr's where he avg over 80 catches a year..Total yd's both Rushing&Rec 18,571 All in All a fine Career but can't hold a candle to Cumar the Great I'm sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Well lets see..Career TD's 135 ( I know Martinettes TD's don't matter)Only had 2 yr's with over 300 carries,but 3 years in a row with over 250 he avg 5.4 per carry! Had 5 yr's where he avg over 80 catches a year..Total yd's both Rushing&Rec 18,571 All in All a fine Career but can't hold a candle to Cumar the Great I'm sure... Sav-You have officially turned into a CHICK. Now, on ANY thread that you can spread your agenda, even if it has nothing that relates to a certain RB, or coach, you find it within your pomposity to bring your agenda up. Broken record. Officially, a CHICK. Kindly check your penis at the door, and exchange it for a vagina. To the women of this board, I apologize for lumping Sav into a term that may be associated with your gender. For the record, I don't consider many "chicks" on this board. Mostly Sav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHJF Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sav-You have officially turned into a CHICK. Now, on ANY thread that you can spread your agenda, even if it has nothing that relates to a certain RB, or coach, you find it within your pomposity to bring your agenda up. Broken record. Officially, a CHICK. Kindly check your penis at the door, and exchange it for a vagina. To the women of this board, I apologize for lumping Sav into a term that may be associated with your gender. For the record, I don't consider many "chicks" on this board. Mostly Sav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sav-You have officially turned into a CHICK. Now, on ANY thread that you can spread your agenda, even if it has nothing that relates to a certain RB, or coach, you find it within your pomposity to bring your agenda up. Broken record. Officially, a CHICK. Kindly check your penis at the door, and exchange it for a vagina. To the women of this board, I apologize for lumping Sav into a term that may be associated with your gender. For the record, I don't consider many "chicks" on this board. Mostly Sav Gee Scottie try saying that to my Face some day!! :wink: Your the one that cries every time the name Cumar is mentioned even when I said Faulk don't hold a candle to him!! And why not blame me for mentioning Jordan as well?? Like you did yesterday when I said any back and you took that to mean Jordan! Does your Health plan have a option for Mental rehab?? You seem to be on the verge of a complete break down caring so much what is written on a message Board about your Hero..I'm sure Martin appreciates your love for him but I don't think he swings that way! Get over it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Gee Scottie try saying that to my Face some day!! :wink: Your the one that cries every time the name Cumar is mentioned even when I said Faulk don't hold a candle to him!! And why not blame me for mentioning Jordan as well?? Like you did yesterday when I said any back and you took that to mean Jordan! Does your Health plan have a option for Mental rehab?? You seem to be on the verge of a complete break down caring so much what is written on a message Board about your Hero..I'm sure Martin appreciates your love for him but I don't think he swings that way! Get over it... Sav, as I have told you, I don't place Martin at the top of any all-time lists. My fascination is not in defending Martin, it is more in poking holes in your agenda ridden, broken record mantra. Here-Let's see if you have the guts to fill this list out Sav- Name your top 10 backs in the league today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sav, as I have told you, I don't place Martin at the top of any all-time lists. My fascination is not in defending Martin, it is more in poking holes in your agenda ridden, broken record mantra. Here-Let's see if you have the guts to fill this list out Sav- Name your top 10 backs in the league today First off..Have I ever said Martin was a Bad RB? Have I not always said he deserves the HOF based on his amazing Duribility and Longivity? So what's my Beef? He doesn't play well in big Games and you feel that doesn't matter..Do I say that you should care?? Nope..Top Ten based on last year?? Career? 5 years?? I'll go with last year...In no order LT,Alexander,Dillon,Portis,James,Davis,McGahee, Johnson,Martin,Barber.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 First off..Have I ever said Martin was a Bad RB? Have I not always said he deserves the HOF based on his amazing Duribility and Longivity? So what's my Beef? He doesn't play well in big Games and you feel that doesn't matter..Do I say that you should care?? Nope..Top Ten based on last year?? Career? 5 years?? I'll go with last year...In no order LT,Alexander,Dillon,Portis,James,Davis,McGahee, Johnson,Martin,Barber.. Sav-You know as well as I do that I could poke holes into everyone of the running backs you mention here, in much the same way you do with Martin. No player is perfect. Btw -Johnson-Larry Johnson? Davis?-Steven Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sav-You know as well as I do that I could poke holes into everyone of the running backs you mention here, in much the same way you do with Martin. No player is perfect. Btw -Johnson-Larry Johnson? Davis?-Steven Davis? Domanick Davis,Rudi Johnson although if your talking this up coming season Steven should be special! Can you poke holes in the other running backs?? Who cares I don't..I care what the Jet backs can or can't do to get us to the Super Bowl and help us win it..To Martinette's his play in Big games doesn't matter just him amassing stats! The biggest reason I bust on Martin and Hermie is all the excuses that are constantly given for any failing they may have..Example Hackett sucks 3 out of 4 play offs..Hermie is great 3 out of 4 playoffs! If Hackett sucked and we made 3 out of 4 playoffs (And he did Game Plans) is it possible Hermie could suck also? Lamont had shown the ability to score and run in the playoffs and Martin hasn't..Yet Jordan never got a fair shot..Granted he's gone and it's time to move on but if Blaylock or Houston show they have the Talent to help the Team win but sit like Jordan you know I won't be silent.. I will be though If Cumar plays and scores in the playoffs and I hope to hell he will!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Faulk is a Top 10 back. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Faulk is a Top 10 back. Period. Not based on last year..195 carries 774 yds 3 tds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Not based on last year..195 carries 774 yds 3 tds! Not this year or last year, no. All-Time? Yes. He could change the game with his rushing skills or his recieving skills, the man could do it all and I would rank him a Top 10 back all-time. #10, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Not this year or last year, no. All-Time? Yes. He could change the game with his rushing skills or his recieving skills, the man could do it all and I would rank him a Top 10 back all-time. #10, but still. All time yeah..Great receiver for a RB! 5 yrs of 80+ catches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 All time yeah..Great receiver for a RB! 5 yrs of 80+ catches! Sav-In all seriousness here-Why does Faulk deserve EXTRA credit for receptions. What many of those were, just passes to Faulk in the flat to get him in space. No discredit to Faulk here, but, based on your history, doesn't that just serve as a manner to get him more touches and essentially pat stats. It is not like teh majority of thoses passs were downfield, I saw them, they were an extended hand off, if you will. Those catches were teh classic stat padders if you are counting receptions :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sav-In all seriousness here-Why does Faulk deserve EXTRA credit for receptions. What many of those were, just passes to Faulk in the flat to get him in space. No discredit to Faulk here, but, based on your history, doesn't that just serve as a manner to get him more touches and essentially pat stats. It is not like teh majority of thoses passs were downfield, I saw them, they were an extended hand off, if you will. Those catches were teh classic stat padders if you are counting receptions :? In 2000 he scored 18 td's rushing and 8 rec! He avg 10+ for 5 years..Coles avg 10 last year were they all handoffs?? One thing I didn't like about Faulk?? He sucked in the playoffs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sav- No doubt-Faulk was a TD machine-Just like Holmes is today, and they are not used too disimilarly in similar offenses. My problem with your statement (admittedly, a trite one), was that you were using those receptions like they were some great stat. They really are not. Most of them were dumps in the flat and used to get Faulk in space against a LB. Those plays could as well be construed as hand-offs. heck, Clark Gaines once caught something like 18 passes in one game, as I recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sav- No doubt-Faulk was a TD machine-Just like Holmes is today, and they are not used too disimilarly in similar offenses. My problem with your statement (admittedly, a trite one), was that you were using those receptions like they were some great stat. They really are not. Most of them were dumps in the flat and used to get Faulk in space against a LB. Those plays could as well be construed as hand-offs. He averaged the same as Coles did last year..So Coles got handoffs as well?? Please don't dance and answer the question..Also 80+ receptions for 5 years avg over 10 plus is pretty good for a Back.. Wayne only avg's 12.8 lifetime.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 He averaged the same as Coles did last year..So Coles got handoffs as well?? Please don't dance and answer the question..Also 80+ receptions for 5 years avg over 10 plus is pretty good for a Back.. Wayne only avg's 12.8 lifetime.. Coles has a 13.6 lifetime avg, Faulk a 9.1 per reception career. Difference is, teh majority of Faulks were behind the LOS while Coles does his work in the middle of a defense. If you are asking me to compare who is the better athlete-Faulk has it hands down-That is why he is able to get those yards after catch. But, please, do not make Faulks 80 receptions comparable to what a receiver does in the middle of the field. There is a huge difference. Let me ask you this-When Gaines had his 18 reception day-Did you think that was an awesome feat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Coles has a 13.6 lifetime avg, Faulk a 9.1 per reception career. Difference is, teh majority of Faulks were behind the LOS while Coles does his work in the middle of a defense. If you are asking me to compare who is the better athlete-Faulk has it hands down-That is why he is able to get those yards after catch. But, please, do not make Faulks 80 receptions comparable to what a receiver does in the middle of the field. There is a huge difference. Let me ask you this-When Gaines had his 18 reception day-Did you think that was an awesome feat? For a W/R or running back that's pretty impressive! But that was the late 70's and we sucked!! Like I always say screw records I want another Bowl trophy! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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