Smashmouth Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 12 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: I don't agree, but whatever. Whatever shape they're presently in for 2018 and 2019 can and likely will change once this free agency period is over. They have a lot of holes and not that much cap room with which to fill them. Expect more future spending (2018-2019's cap used for 2017 players). If the locker room is in such disarray, then fire Bowles (who chiefly works with that side of the ball anyway). Harris is a dead-end player who will take the spot of a younger guy - and thereby rob him of live experience - on the field. Pay him $6.5m to be a LB coach for all I care. Pay him $26.5m to be the LB coach. If someone's willing to cough up a 7th rounder, then take it and use his cap space towards an ILB with an actual future here. Because you are, effectively, spending 2018-2019's cap dollars by paying David Harris $6.5m in 2017. Im fine with the idea of firing Bowles if the locker room continues to be a pile of stinking sh*t. I just dont think keeping Harris for one more year is that big a deal when the salary is 6.5 mil which is middle of the road IMO , if he was being paid like a top LB then it changes everything. Either way He will not and should not be here in 18 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 12 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: No. No there weren't. He had more than 5 targets in every game except the Pats game where he quit/was injured. He was targeted 4 times in that one. The only guys targeted as much as him that didn't break 1,000 yards were Kyle Rudolph and Allen Robinson. He almost got 800 yards. Enunwa, catching balls from the same stiffs got 70 more yards on 20 fewer targets. I know, I know, Marshall was drawing quadruple coverage! 4 and 5 targets is nothing liek anyone expected and no where close to last year so yes it was an issue and yes the guy did play hurt for most of the season. if he was unable to perform to the bets of his ability due to nagging injuries then the coaches should have stepped up and made some type of move. Last year Marshall was in the elite category and those guys are targeted in the 10 to 15 range every single game unless teams just totally take them out of the equasion on defense. So your arguement of 5+ targets a game does not make your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Im fine with the idea of firing Bowles if the locker room continues to be a pile of stinking sh*t. I just dont think keeping Harris for one more year is that big a deal when the salary is 6.5 mil which is middle of the road IMO , if he was being paid like a top LB then it changes everything. Either way He will not and should not be here in 18 anyway Given your last sentence, and the fact that money not spent this year rolls over into 2018, why keep him for this season? Either replace him with a better player at a similar or greater cap hit and who will be in your long term plans or - if that guy isn't out there at the right price - with a younger, cheaper player and save some $$ for 18. Either way, keeping Harris at his current cost means spending 2018 money to have Harris for 2017. why do that? Sent from my SM-G920T using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 AAAAND I guess the next one to get the axe was Marshall. We have a few more days until free agency. I don't think he will be the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Smashmouth said: Im fine with the idea of firing Bowles if the locker room continues to be a pile of stinking sh*t. I just dont think keeping Harris for one more year is that big a deal when the salary is 6.5 mil which is middle of the road IMO , if he was being paid like a top LB then it changes everything. Either way He will not and should not be here in 18 anyway On balance, and in comparison to the 10s of millions of other insufferably stupid spending, no it isn't such a huge deal money-wise. But it is paying him more than he's worth as a player, and takes playing-time away from those we hope would replace him, making it that much harder to pencil said replacement in as starter next year (when they should theoretically be much closer to serious contention). Unless Harris is looking to retire after the season, he's going to be (quite understandably) concerned with keeping himself on the field and any up-and-comer replacements off the field. It's a conflict of interest; even more so when the team isn't a serious contender (thus removing the common goal that could/would motivate him to help the kids more. I just don't see what irreplaceable thing he brings in a "mentor" role, as a player with declined (and still declining) skills, that an ex-player LB coach in his 40s/50s (or a veteran player making 1/3 of the Harris $6.5m) wouldn't bring. Not unless Harris is going to room with 2 of these kids all year long and hang out with them every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 14 hours ago, Doggin94it said: Given your last sentence, and the fact that money not spent this year rolls over into 2018, why keep him for this season? Either replace him with a better player at a similar or greater cap hit and who will be in your long term plans or - if that guy isn't out there at the right price - with a younger, cheaper player and save some $$ for 18. Either way, keeping Harris at his current cost means spending 2018 money to have Harris for 2017. why do that? Sent from my SM-G920T using JetNation.com mobile app 11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: On balance, and in comparison to the 10s of millions of other insufferably stupid spending, no it isn't such a huge deal money-wise. But it is paying him more than he's worth as a player, and takes playing-time away from those we hope would replace him, making it that much harder to pencil said replacement in as starter next year (when they should theoretically be much closer to serious contention). Unless Harris is looking to retire after the season, he's going to be (quite understandably) concerned with keeping himself on the field and any up-and-comer replacements off the field. It's a conflict of interest; even more so when the team isn't a serious contender (thus removing the common goal that could/would motivate him to help the kids more. I just don't see what irreplaceable thing he brings in a "mentor" role, as a player with declined (and still declining) skills, that an ex-player LB coach in his 40s/50s (or a veteran player making 1/3 of the Harris $6.5m) wouldn't bring. Not unless Harris is going to room with 2 of these kids all year long and hang out with them every day. your both right and I cant say I disagree I just dont think he's that big a deal ATM If we draft a younger player to fill his spot fine but then its too late to cut him right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: your both right and I cant say I disagree I just dont think he's that big a deal ATM If we draft a younger player to fill his spot fine but then its too late to cut him right ? No. None of his money is guaranteed so they can cut him whenever they want (up to final cutdown day) before they are locked into paying him a dime. All it would do is tie up that $6.5m for the entire offseason. We wouldn't lose it permanently, though, as it could be carried forward to next year (as Doggin94 told you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Harris needs to go next guy can't cover me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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