Fact: no one trusts this regime

[GKnight83]

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[Bleedin Green]

7 hours ago, bonkertons said:

lol Christ.  Do you not remember how bad this team was at drafting for like...10 years straight?  2008 to 2018 was a highlight reel of terrible drafting.  "Two of the worst drafts this team has seen in a long time".  The hyperbole around here sometimes amazes me.  

2018:  Sam Darnold, Nathan Shepard(an OK depth player I guess)

2016:  Darron Lee, Christian Hackenberg

2014:  Calvin Pryor, Jace Amaro

2013:  Quinton Coples, Stephen Hill (the one bright spot being Demario Davis who we let go of, naturally)

2012:  Kyle Wilson, Vlad Ducasse

You could even list 2015 in there considering LW was a flop for us, and it wasn't until after he left that he became a PBer.  The rest of that 2015 draft was hideous.  

 

For as bad as Becton was this year, and the fact he missed two straight seasons, he's still been a bigger contributor than anyone listed above, outside of MAYBE Darnold.  Even his rookie year alone guaranteed that.  He's obviously been a level above some of our classic busts like Lee, Milliner, Coples, Gholston.  Plus that draft had guys like Davis and Hall who have become solid contributors for us.  Again, not a "boon" by any means, but far from the worst draft.  2021 might be considered a failure overall because of Zach, but in reality it was a pretty good draft for this regime.  AVT, Moore, Carter(DB), Pinnock, Echols.  To call these two of the worst drafts of recent memory just tells me you have no memory.  He's also had one of, if not THE best Jets draft in history in 2022.  Surely that counts for something.  

 

I'm not going to sit here and say JD is a good GM, or we'll win anything with him at the helm, but facts are facts.  This team has more talent with him running things than they've had since the AFC Championship days.  Potentially even moreso.  Who knows how those Jets teams would have faired with a washed Mark Brunnell or Kellen Clemens being relied upon to win us games.  JD got cocky and thought he could win games while salvaging Zach.  He wanted to have his cake and eat it too(it's funny cause he's fat, right?).  Rodgers got hurt and it blew up in his face.  I still want to see what this team can do with the guy they sold their left nut to get before I make up my mind on this regime.  

BTW, the fact you're downplaying how good JJ has looked tells me this is all bad faith anyway, so GOD SPEED SIR.  

So to start this all off, Becton gets celebrated as a "bigger contributor" because JD not only picked a tub of lard who can barely get himself into playing condition (and when he does, plays like total crap), but because JD is also so wildly stubborn that he refused to ever offer any suitable alternatives to play, so Becton is forced onto the field?

Is repeating failures actually a good thing?  Do you feel as long as someone continues to feed you the same dog's sh*t for every single meal, you like that you'll eventually get used to the taste?

Meanwhile, a guy like Shepherd who you mentioned, was off starting all 17 games this year, something none of those guys you're trying to celebrate JD for were able to accomplish.  A list of JD picks that includes guys who aren't even on the team or barely play.

All you've argued is that JD's "best" draft picks outside of 2022 are debatably not quite as terrible as the worst guys you could come up with from before that.  It speaks to what a complete disaster his time has been, particularly when needing to add so many qualifiers when comparing him to others already deemed incompetent.  JD has been mostly terrible since day 1, with high picks of one draft being the outlier.  The excuses for JD are no more than some here too stubborn to budge on how baseless it was celebrating JD as the savior before he accomplished a single thing.  The love fest was going on through 2019, 2020, and 2021, when now people can only desperately hold onto 2022, proving it's a desperate attempt at confirmation bias.

In the end, the team has performed measurably worse since JD's arrival (and historically bad on offense), but it's pure excuse-making for why the one guy responsible for it all isn't at fault.  It's now apparently even being used as a defense of him for how laughably badly he get bent over and spanked by the Packers in his last great offseason.  But hey, as long as he acts like a pathetic coward and hides until forced by the NFL to speak, I suppose some will be glad to blame whoever is the last guy who talked for all of the things JD is the one paid to do.

[Unruly Jets Fan]

On 1/14/2024 at 10:38 PM, Beerfish said:

This regime started to build a good team but then panicked at the first sign of real adversity (Zach Wilson Bombing) and this past off season they made every single terrible move you could make so yes I agree, I do not trust them at all.

Nothing changes (in any meaningful way) as long as Woody is still here.   He hired and fired countless GMs and HCs since he bought the team.  Until he sells  we will continue to watch him hire and fire people which is simply rearranging deck chairs on his titanic .  

[jetsfan56]

Pryor (38), Coples (32), and Lee (36) all started more Jets games under their rookie contracts than Becton (30), who got a bonus start this past season because of the newer 17-game seasons or his total would have been 29.
Davis has made a big improvement in a small role - some guys are just slow starters - but the truth is we wouldn't have even known about it if Chuck Clark didn't miss the whole season, and even with that was still primarily a special teams player. The last time he was a regular starter the Jets had the worst defense in the NFL. 
For all his versatility & talent, aside from injuries no one would've predicted, considering the circumstances to get him AVT was a stupid draft pick. Even while acknowledging he was a good prospect, plenty still hated it at the time because that draft class was loaded with OL talent - it was by far its deepest position group strength - and after a 2-win season Douglas traded a pair of day-2 picks to move up for a guard who - if he never got hurt and made the pro bowl even once, as hoped - plays a position that'd preclude using a $20MM 5th year option tag on him. In our original draft slot went borderline probowl (certainly solid enough) LT Darrisaw, even after passing on Sewell earlier in the round. As an indirect domino effect of trading up so high for a guard, interior OL then became a non-option at the top of round 2, and right after the Jets took Elijah Moore there the Eagles took Landon Dickerson, and after him the Chiefs took Creed Humphrey (whom [mention=28594]Beerfish[/mention] & others here wanted even at #21 overall, so despite his unexpected fall was no great reach at #34). So the "pretty good" draft yielded AVT + Moore instead of Darrisaw + Dickerson/Humphrey + two 3rd round picks. It was a disastrous decision by the GM and screwed up the draft class even after and independent of the obvious/horrible whiff up top with Zach Wilson.
 

JD seems to do a better job trading when he is selling as opposed to buying 🤷‍♂️


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[HessStation]

Absolutely can’t ever trust this organization as long as Woody is there. Too much meddling + too much utter incompetence 

[Creepy Lurker]

On 1/15/2024 at 6:59 PM, Bleedin Green said:

So to start this all off, Becton gets celebrated as a "bigger contributor" because JD not only picked a tub of lard who can barely get himself into playing condition (and when he does, plays like total crap), but because JD is also so wildly stubborn that he refused to ever offer any suitable alternatives to play, so Becton is forced onto the field?

Is repeating failures actually a good thing?  Do you feel as long as someone continues to feed you the same dog's sh*t for every single meal, you like that you'll eventually get used to the taste?

Meanwhile, a guy like Shepherd who you mentioned, was off starting all 17 games this year, something none of those guys you're trying to celebrate JD for were able to accomplish.  A list of JD picks that includes guys who aren't even on the team or barely play.

All you've argued is that JD's "best" draft picks outside of 2022 are debatably not quite as terrible as the worst guys you could come up with from before that.  It speaks to what a complete disaster his time has been, particularly when needing to add so many qualifiers when comparing him to others already deemed incompetent.  JD has been mostly terrible since day 1, with high picks of one draft being the outlier.  The excuses for JD are no more than some here too stubborn to budge on how baseless it was celebrating JD as the savior before he accomplished a single thing.  The love fest was going on through 2019, 2020, and 2021, when now people can only desperately hold onto 2022, proving it's a desperate attempt at confirmation bias.

In the end, the team has performed measurably worse since JD's arrival (and historically bad on offense), but it's pure excuse-making for why the one guy responsible for it all isn't at fault.  It's now apparently even being used as a defense of him for how laughably badly he get bent over and spanked by the Packers in his last great offseason.  But hey, as long as he acts like a pathetic coward and hides until forced by the NFL to speak, I suppose some will be glad to blame whoever is the last guy who talked for all of the things JD is the one paid to do.

Best post ever.

[Sperm Edwards]

15 hours ago, jetsfan56 said:

JD seems to do a better job trading when he is selling as opposed to buying 🤷‍♂️


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Well in fairness it's easier. Choosing a player comes with different future risks than choosing draft picks. He's done extremely well on the selling part, but there have been horrible + lopsided trades made around the likes of Adams (e.g. Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson)

Credit to Douglas on that one, because it's a lot harder to get such compensation for just a safety. Minkah Fitzpatrick didn't net Miami two firsts, but he also didn't have any probowl or all-pro awards under his belt yet (let alone both). That was also midseason, and in the same season Miami also traded Tunsil for two 1sts and a 2nd. Yeah it's different in that LT >>> S, but it's also a fact Adams was drafted with a higher pick (and with highly-rated and future probowl QB picks still on the board).

I think the thing is we were just unused to getting the long end of the stick on such trades, probably because we rarely found ourselves with a probowler the team didn't want to keep, while the team was more or less in teardown mode. It's the right time to have a fire sale, but usually when the team's so bad it needs to tear things down, the competent talent it has are more commonly expensive veterans who don't command so much in trade. There are exceptions there, too (e.g. Khalil Mack to the Chargers, and frankly Aaron Rodgers), but they're less common to get 1st round value or more for an older + expensive player with (presumably) his best years behind him and not too many great ones expected going forward. 

Anyway, picking players is harder than trading cheap young probowlers for high picks. Give him credit for doing so, as everyone doesn't get such returns, but it's the correct player-picking with those resources that actually builds contenders and champions.