Sorry Ravens fans

[slimjasi]

8 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Too funny.  I'm the OP.  And we are on topic.  Topic:  NFL will go to lengths to give KC every edge to get Swift to Vegas.  Jets game was one of multiple in-season examples.  Highly relevant.  

If the Bal/KCC game is close (I do not expect it to be as Ravens are far better), the refs can lean the edge towards the KCC, just as they have done in multiple games this season.  Baltimore needs to establish a clear early lead and dominate.  Anything close will give the NFL the opportunity to get Swift to Las Vegas to cheer for her man/team.

But this makes no sense.

The officials called 5 penalties on Buffalo for 28 yards in total against the Chiefs two days ago. That game was close. They had all kinds of opportunities to give KC an edge - they didn't.(Maybe they paid Tyler Bass under the table, instead?)

Why would they not intervene against the Bills but then do so against Baltimore?

None of this makes any sense, friend. 

[Dcat]

16 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

But this makes no sense.

The officials called 5 penalties on Buffalo for 28 yards in total against the Chiefs two days ago. That game was close. They had all kinds of opportunities to give KC an edge - they didn't.(Maybe they paid Tyler Bass under the table, instead?)

Why would they not intervene against the Bills but then do so against Baltimore?

None of this makes any sense, friend. 

Fine. That's your opinion.   Lets see what the refs do if the BAL/KCC game is close.  Will they do as they have done for much of the season, which has been to give edges to KCC in close games when the opportunity arises?   The billions of dollars from the the millions of non-NFL fans that follow Swift is just a pot of gold that the NFL cant resist.  They would sacrifice their first-borns to grab  inflated the NFL revenue for another year.   

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

The billions of dollars from the the millions of non-NFL fans that follow Swift is just a pot of gold that the NFL cant resist. 

Source please for this supposed additional "billions of dollars" the NFL is reaping from "Swift Fans" they otherwise would not have received.

This is clearly a factual claim, you should have SOME factual, source-based basis for making it.

[Trotter]

1 minute ago, Dcat said:

Fine. That's your opinion.   Lets see what the refs do if the BAL/KCC game is close.  Will they do as they have done for much of the season, which has been to give edges to KCC in close games when the opportunity arises?   The billions of dollars from the the millions of non-NFL fans that follow Swift is just a pot of gold that the NFL cant resist.  They would sacrifice their first-borns to grab  inflated the NFL revenue for another year.   

to quote sgt schultz - I know nothing - but it is really hard to ignore this statement or at least consider it a possibility

[slimjasi]

8 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Fine. That's your opinion.   Let’s see what the refs do if the BAL/KCC game is close.  Will they do as they have done for much of the season, which has been to give edges to KCC in close games when the opportunity arises?  

Uh huh, much of the season . . . except in two different games against the Bills - a regular season game in which they TOOK AWAY a game-changing TD from the chiefs because a WR was offsides AND the divisional round of the playoffs? MmmK. 

[slimjasi]

17 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Source please for this supposed additional "billions of dollars" the NFL is reaping from "Swift Fans" they otherwise would not have received.

This is clearly a factual claim, you should have SOME factual, source-based basis for making it.

I was curious. According to Forbes, the NFL's total shared revenue in 2022 was 11.9 billion. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2023/07/11/nfl-national-revenue-was-almost-12-billion-in-2022/

But Taylor Swift fans tuning in are adding billions all by themselves, lol

[Warfish]

13 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Uh huh, much of the season . . . except in two different games against the Bills - a regular season game in which they TOOK AWAY a game-changing TD from the chiefs because of a WR was offsides AND the divisional round of the playoffs? MmmK. 

Remember Slim, conspiracy folks can only see the stuff that supports the conspiracy.

They have a very specific cognitive dissonance bias against any potentially conflicting evidence or facts.

i.e. "all the bad calls went to help the Chiefs" converts generally universally-poor modern-day NFL officiating into a dark cabal plotting how to convert Swift Fans to NFL fans in a dark conference room somewhere, plotting how to buy off the Bills kicker for joining the all-time choker Bills Kicker group.

[Trotter]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I was curious. According to Forbes, the NFL's total shared revenue in 2022 was 11.9 billion. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2023/07/11/nfl-national-revenue-was-almost-12-billion-in-2022/

But Taylor Swift fans tuning in are adding billions all by themselves, lol

i have no dog in this fight but have stated i do see DCAT's point of view as being possible.

NFL revenue is one thing but what about the advertisers and the millions they are paying for their commercials. 

Lets just say the Stanley corp decides to come out with the Taylor Swift edition of their cup coincidentally in time for the SB.

 

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, Trotter said:

NFL revenue is one thing but what about the advertisers and the millions they are paying for their commercials. 

What about them? 

[slimjasi]

12 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Remember Slim, conspiracy folks can only see the stuff that supports the conspiracy.

They have a very specific cognitive dissonance bias against any potentially conflicting evidence or facts.

i.e. "all the bad calls went to help the Chiefs" converts generally universally-poor modern-day NFL officiating into a dark cabal plotting how to convert Swift Fans to NFL fans in a dark conference room somewhere, plotting how to buy off the Bills kicker for joining the all-time choker Bills Kicker group.

Bingo.

 

Another inconvenient fact:

 

The Chiefs were 15th in penalty yardage this season (middle of the pack):

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numyds

[Warfish]

18 minutes ago, Trotter said:

NFL revenue is one thing but what about the advertisers and the millions they are paying for their commercials.

What about them?  Do you have evidence of any of the following:

1. Ad rates changing materially and abnormally since the "Swift" thing started?

2. The NFL receiving additional funds from their TV contracts than otherwise stated since the "Swift" thing happened?

3. Any actual monetary league/network contract change related specifically to the Chiefs being in the playoffs/Super Bowl?

The very basics of something like this to be true is someone has to be profiting enough to warrant the risk involved.

And for the NFL, the risk is literally massive:  a fixed league being fixed BY the league itself becomes the WWE real quick.  

18 minutes ago, Trotter said:

Lets just say the Stanley corp decides to come out with the Taylor Swift edition of their cup coincidentally in time for the SB.

I think the conspiracy-minded are confusing marketing opportunities for corruption.

Of course everyone involved in the NFL, the League, the Networks, the Advertisers and Swift herself love this, it's a net positive for all of the entities involved, like mixing peanut butter and chocolate, cross-marketing of a sort. The marketing departments of all of them love it.  And of course they want Swifties who don't watch football to start watching football, same way all the "Breast Cancer Awareness" is really just an ad campaign to help attract new women fans.

That doesn't rise to league-led corruption to fix multiple games, buy off officials, buy off players, etc.  Oh, and I would have to presume Vegas and the bookmakers are in on it too (all of them?) because the first entity who'd scream bloody murder over game or score fixing are the guys who make their money ON the game results and scores.  

So what is more likely:  That the NFL, the TV Networks, Multiple Officials, Multiple Players, and all the Casinos and Gambling Entities are all involved in a truly massive "Super Bowl fixing" conspiracy to propel a 'not worthy' Chiefs/Swift to the Super Bowl, OR the Chiefs and Mahomes are just a really good team, who had a less great but still good season, led by a HOF QB and Coach, who have won some tough, close games, in an atmosphere of generally poor quality NFL officiating we've seen in literally every game, not just the Chiefs games?

 

[Trotter]

9 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

What about them? 

They might be interested in potentially millions of additional viewers in this case the Taylor Swift demographic that otherwise would not be viewing their commercials. You could possibly even get some additional revenue by companies who originally were not participating.

Look - I am not stating that the KC/Ravens game is fixed. I am also not stating that KC/Bills was fixed and in fact fell asleep in the 4th qtr so never saw the end of the game.

I simply think the possibility exists that with the star power of a taylor swift if the opportunity existed to ensure the chiefs get to the SB, it could happen. 1% chance 10% what the hell do I know but my own opinion would not be 0 percent chance.

Regardless of what we think, it is not strictly about football. If it was, there would be no such thing as a super bowl halftime show which would be a blessing.

 

[Dcat]

41 minutes ago, Trotter said:

to quote sgt schultz - I know nothing - but it is really hard to ignore this statement or at least consider it a possibility

To ignore it is to be an ostrich with head under ground.  Love the way NFL fans just turn their blind eye to this.  Funny.  If you don't think the multiple KC ref calls this year weren't influenced by the leagues lust for Swifts millions of followers, then that's fine.  I understand not wanting to believe it. That's up to each individual.  

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Trotter said:

They might be interested in potentially millions of additional viewers in this case the Taylor Swift demographic that otherwise would not be viewing their commercials. You could possibly even get some additional revenue by companies who originally were not participating.

Look - I am not stating that the KC/Ravens game is fixed. I am also not stating that KC/Bills was fixed and in fact fell asleep in the 4th qtr so never saw the end of the game.

I simply think the possibility exists that with the star power of a taylor swift if the opportunity existed to ensure the chiefs get to the SB, it could happen. 1% chance 10% what the hell do I know but my own opinion would not be 0 percent chance.

Regardless of what we think, it is not strictly about football. If it was, there would be no such thing as a super bowl halftime show which would be a blessing.

 

Ok, but a lot of things are possible
 

I try to only believe in things that have evidence to support their existence 

[Dcat]

12 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Bingo.

 

Another inconvenient fact:

 

The Chiefs were 15th in penalty yardage this season (middle of the pack):

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numyds

it's not the yardage.  d It's the opportunity and most importantly, when those flags were thrown (like in the Jets game).  The flags have been thrown at opportune times to give KC the edge.  Obviously not going to jhappen if either team is up by a ton of points.  It's all about opportunity. As in the Jets game.  Look at the timing of those flags... just when KC's opponent is on a drive to get a lead .

[Trotter]

Just now, slimjasi said:

Ok, but a lot of things are possible
 

I try to only believe in things that have evidence to support their existence 

Very true and I understand that - but sometimes evidence is simply not present.

I am prob the dumbest person on this board but one thing I have learned over my 64 years on earth is when the potential for corruption is present, there is always a chance.

As a gambler, I love the Ravens and that is where I will probably go. As a hedge I will throw a few dollars on the chiefs to win it all at +440 and a few prop bets for the chiefs in the Ravens game - just in case.

[Dcat]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

What about them?  Do you have evidence of any of the following:

1. Ad rates changing materially and abnormally since the "Swift" thing started?

2. The NFL receiving additional funds from their TV contracts than otherwise stated since the "Swift" thing happened?

3. Any actual monetary league/network contract change related specifically to the Chiefs being in the playoffs/Super Bowl?

The very basics of something like this to be true is someone has to be profiting enough to warrant the risk involved.

And for the NFL, the risk is literally massive:  a fixed league being fixed BY the league itself becomes the WWE real quick.  

I think the conspiracy-minded are confusing marketing opportunities for corruption.

Of course everyone involved in the NFL, the League, the Networks, the Advertisers and Swift herself love this, it's a net positive for all of the entities involved, like mixing peanut butter and chocolate, cross-marketing of a sort. The marketing departments of all of them love it.  And of course they want Swifties who don't watch football to start watching football, same way all the "Breast Cancer Awareness" is really just an ad campaign to help attract new women fans.

That doesn't rise to league-led corruption to fix multiple games, buy off officials, buy off players, etc.  Oh, and I would have to presume Vegas and the bookmakers are in on it too (all of them?) because the first entity who'd scream bloody murder over game or score fixing are the guys who make their money ON the game results and scores.  

So what is more likely:  That the NFL, the TV Networks, Multiple Officials, Multiple Players, and all the Casinos and Gambling Entities are all involved in a truly massive "Super Bowl fixing" conspiracy to propel a 'not worthy' Chiefs/Swift to the Super Bowl, OR the Chiefs and Mahomes are just a really good team, who had a less great but still good season, led by a HOF QB and Coach, who have won some tough, close games, in an atmosphere of generally poor quality NFL officiating we've seen in literally every game, not just the Chiefs games?

 

corruption = refs giving KC dubious calls when the KC opponent has or is near a lead. 

They want Swift cheering in that Superbowl.  The refs will lean toward KC when they can, but not if it's a Baltimore blow out.  Happens when it's close.  See Jets game.

You're looking for evidence.  I don't have it.  We are not going to get beyond that.  Believe whatever you want.  I don't care.  I've seen enough to raise the suspicion and I believe it is legit.    

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, Dcat said:

To ignore it is to be an ostrich with head under ground.  Love the way NFL fans just turn their blind eye to this.

Reading directly from the Conspiracy Theorists script, eh?  

No one is "turning a blind eye", we're asking for evidence.  

If you don't have any, you don't have anything but tin foil hattery.

8 minutes ago, Dcat said:

If you don't think the multiple KC ref calls this year weren't influenced by the leagues lust for Swifts millions of followers, then that's fine.

I don't.  At all. 

I think the Refs in the NFL generally suck and make A LOT of bad calls at every game, Chiefs and non-Chiefs alike, compounded by replay which makes everything look so much clearer (and yet also more controversial often times) than when seen live-action.

I could list dozens of bad calls in Jets games, in both pro-Jets and Anti-Jets directions, and the Jets didn't mean a god damn thing to the NFL this season after Rodgers went down.  The Refs just suck.  And they make alot of mistakes. 

And that is then compounded by silly fans who see what they want to see in every replay.  The idea that the Chiefs only beat the Jets because the Refs fixed the game is laughable in it's stupidity and ignorant bias.  Hell, half the "bad calls" this very forum laments were perfectly good calls, but biased fans being biased about "lopsided bad calls" is a meme for a reason.   

8 minutes ago, Dcat said:

  I understand not wanting to believe it. That's up to each individual.  

Why would anyone "not want to believe it"?  If the NFL is rigged, we'd all want to know, especially Jets Fans, because IF the NFL was rigged I'd drop this sport like a bad f'ing habit.  

Watching a sh*tty Jets team in a competitive league is one thing, watching it in a fixed WWE/WWF league is a whole different thing.  

There is no entrenched "Pro League Fixing" population amongst us fans.  Just conspiracy theorists with no evidence who don't understand how contracts and revenue works, and those countering them.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Dcat said:

it's not the yardage.  d It's the opportunity and most importantly, when those flags were thrown (like in the Jets game).  The flags have been thrown at opportune times to give KC the edge.  Obviously not going to jhappen if either team is up by a ton of points.  It's all about opportunity. As in the Jets game.  Look at the timing of those flags... just when KC's opponent is on a drive to get a lead .

Ok, do you have any data to support the notion that the Chiefs have gotten appreciably more "opportune" calls than the rest of the league? For instance, do they get penalized less in the 4th quarter? Do they get penalized less in the 4th quarter of a one score game? Do they get penalized less in the last two minutes? Do their opponents get penalized more in any of these scenarios? 

Basically - I'm wondering if you have anything to bring to the table other than anecdotally referring to 3 missed calls from a game played in early October against the Jets? 

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, Trotter said:

 

I am prob the dumbest person on this board but one thing I have learned over my 64 years on earth is when the potential for corruption is present, there is always a chance.

I can assure you that is NOT the case

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

Ok, do you have any data to support the notion that the Chiefs have gotten appreciably more "opportune" calls than the rest of the league? For instance, do they get penalized less in the 4th quarter? Do they get penalized less in the 4th quarter of a one score game? Do they get penalized less in the last two minutes? Do their opponents get penalized more in any of these scenarios? 

Basically - I'm wondering if you have anything to bring to the table other than anecdotally referring to 3 missed calls from a game played in early October against the Jets? 

Other than persistent calls giving Chiefs an edge in multiple games?  No.  I told you all this already.  If you are looking for hard evidence rather than circumstantial, then I can't prove it.  I never claimed I can prove it.  So if you don't believe it or suspect it, that's fine.  I think youo're wrong.  My opinion:  When it comes to greed, the league is corrupt.

[Dcat]

By the way:  I'm rooting hard for the Ravens here.  I have several die-hard Ravens fans friends and would be happy for them.  Ravens are just all around a superior team.  Let's see if it's close, because if it's not, then all this is moot for the game.  If it's close, we can examine what the refs are doing and surmise their motives.    

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Other than persistent calls giving Chiefs an edge in multiple games?  No.  I told you all this already.  If you are looking for hard evidence rather than circumstantial, then I can't prove it. 

Sorry to be stickler, but what you have provided isn't really circumstantial, it's anecdotal. Contrary to popular belief, circumstantial evidence can be quite damning and convincing. However, what you are doing is repeatedly referring to a handful of bad/questionable calls that went in favor of the Chiefs. That's anecdotal - you haven't provided any evidence or reason for us to think that the handful of isolated incidents you happen to remember off the top of your head fit into a larger pattern of bias.

And, to be clear, I'm not judging or attacking you. I do this all the time. We all do. That's why it's important to study claims like this scientifically - because we are all prone to remember particular incidents in our heads and exaggerate their frequency, importance, or meaning. 

7 minutes ago, Dcat said:

 I never claimed I can prove it. 

When you can, please let me know. I'd love to be convinced. It would be a juicy story for sure. 

11 minutes ago, Dcat said:

My opinion:  When it comes to greed, the league is corrupt.

This very well may be generally true (and I certainly think the league is greedy), but this doesn't have any bearing on the specific claim you are making. 

[slimjasi]

9 minutes ago, Dcat said:

By the way:  I'm rooting hard for the Ravens here.  

Me too - Go Ravens!

[Trotter]

30 minutes ago, Warfish said:

What about them?  Do you have evidence of any of the following:

1. Ad rates changing materially and abnormally since the "Swift" thing started?

2. The NFL receiving additional funds from their TV contracts than otherwise stated since the "Swift" thing happened?

3. Any actual monetary league/network contract change related specifically to the Chiefs being in the playoffs/Super Bowl?

The very basics of something like this to be true is someone has to be profiting enough to warrant the risk involved.

And for the NFL, the risk is literally massive:  a fixed league being fixed BY the league itself becomes the WWE real quick.  

I think the conspiracy-minded are confusing marketing opportunities for corruption.

Of course everyone involved in the NFL, the League, the Networks, the Advertisers and Swift herself love this, it's a net positive for all of the entities involved, like mixing peanut butter and chocolate, cross-marketing of a sort. The marketing departments of all of them love it.  And of course they want Swifties who don't watch football to start watching football, same way all the "Breast Cancer Awareness" is really just an ad campaign to help attract new women fans.

That doesn't rise to league-led corruption to fix multiple games, buy off officials, buy off players, etc.  Oh, and I would have to presume Vegas and the bookmakers are in on it too (all of them?) because the first entity who'd scream bloody murder over game or score fixing are the guys who make their money ON the game results and scores.  

So what is more likely:  That the NFL, the TV Networks, Multiple Officials, Multiple Players, and all the Casinos and Gambling Entities are all involved in a truly massive "Super Bowl fixing" conspiracy to propel a 'not worthy' Chiefs/Swift to the Super Bowl, OR the Chiefs and Mahomes are just a really good team, who had a less great but still good season, led by a HOF QB and Coach, who have won some tough, close games, in an atmosphere of generally poor quality NFL officiating we've seen in literally every game, not just the Chiefs games?

 

Valid points and as I stated - I am simply stating from my perspective the possibility of corruption exists based on the circusmstance.

Can we all at least agree that the Taylor Swift stanley cup edition is brilliant? If it does come out I want some type of royalty.

[Warfish]

17 minutes ago, Trotter said:

Valid points and as I stated - I am simply stating from my perspective the possibility of corruption exists based on the circusmstance.

The possibility of corruption always exists, at every business, everywhere, at all times.  That's why businesses have audits, internal audits, internal controls, external regulatory controls in some cases, etc.

I mean are we really trying to turn a silly romance side-story between one player and a rock star into a fixed league?  And trying to claim that is the most reasonable, most likely thing?  The breadth of the conspiracy, the number of people who'd have to be involved, to pull this off makes it completely impossible in the real world without leaking/evidence that it happened.

And all this not for some big market, media-market miracle season sh*t team, but a two-time Super Bowl team with a future HOF QB in the Chiefs?  Because a few Jets Fans think the Refs robbed Zacchy-poo of his glorious win against the Chiefs?

Lol, come on.  

[Dcat]

51 minutes ago, Warfish said:

  Because a few Jets Fans think the Refs robbed Zacchy-poo of his glorious win against the Chiefs?

Lol, come on.  

typical distortion by you. No not because of the jets game, clever one.  Because of the immense, unGodly profits that Swifties can possibly bring to the NFL, that's why.  Chefs have been getting calls like the two at the Jets game all season long.  The late call in the Buf game was absolutely disgusting and wrong.  We will see if they find an opportunity to do it again vs Ravens.  I hope not.  I'd rather the Ravens just win 37- 21 without it ever being close, making this a non issue for the game.  But if it is close, watch what the refs do.  Hope I'm wrong.  But I think not.

[jamesr]

You know, if you REALLY think about it, this conspiracy goes way deeper than anyone could possibly imagine.

The Chiefs were getting preferential calls EVEN BEFORE the whole Swifty thing started up. That way they've been able to make it look like "business as usual" this year when the whole engineered-romance-ad-revenue-generation thing kicked up a notch.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mike M was handed a brown envelope stuffed with cash to not draft Mahomes that year despite the obvious need, just to keep the long term master plan intact.

What's that advert thing they had "you couldn't make it up"? THEY'RE MOCKING US DAMNIT!!     

[Warfish]

19 minutes ago, Dcat said:

typical distortion by you. No not because of the jets game, clever one.

You cited the Jets Game as an example several times.  Not me.

19 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Because of the immense, unGodly profits that Swifties can possibly bring to the NFL, that's why.

What "ungodly profits"? 

Name the specific NFL revenue streams you believe these non-NFL watching Swifties are materially increasing/generating to create these "billions" in extra revenue you claimed earlier in this thread.

19 minutes ago, Dcat said:

  Chefs have been getting calls like the two at the Jets game all season long.

Says you. 

I say your confirmation bias blinds you to objective review of calls, facts and stats. 

19 minutes ago, Dcat said:

The late call in the Buf game was absolutely disgusting and wrong.

As stated, the state of the Refs across the entire league is poor, and has been poor for many years now.  In every game there are poor/wrong calls, including many, many games that don't involve the Chiefs or Taylor Swift conspiracy theory. 

One supposedly bad call (in a game where the kick miss was the real difference maker) isn't evidence of a fixed league conspiracy.  I looked at, Williams clearly backed up and hit the receiver mid-route when the Refs saw the ball was in the air to that receiver pretty clearly.  Not a bad call, a borderline questionable tickey-tack one at worst.  Defender shouldn't have tried to pick-play the receiver.

And the no-catch call at ~10:50 I think, was absolutely the right call, receiver didn't have his hands under the ball throughout the catch.  He literally pulled both hands out from under himself briefly and didn't have either hand on the ball between the ground and his chest.  Clear cut no-catch. 

And again, regardless of all of this, Bills likely win if their kicker makes a kick.  He didn't.  No Refs involved.  So who bought him off and with what?

19 minutes ago, Dcat said:

We will see if they find an opportunity to do it again vs Ravens.  I hope not.

Lol, I guarantee you'll find something to scream about regardless of if it exists or not. 

And lets not pretend you don't hope for that, because conspiracy theorists are desperate to have their ideas validated, more than anything else.  That's part of how folks like that see "bad calls" where no bad or wrong call exists, just a call that didn't go their way, or went a way that can be used to support their conspiracy ideas..

19 minutes ago, Dcat said:

But if it is close, watch what the refs do.  

Not worried, I'm sure you'll tell us.

[Dcat]

22 minutes ago, Warfish said:

 

Lol, I guarantee you'll find something to scream about regardless of if it exists or not. 

And lets not pretend you don't hope for that, because conspiracy theorists are desperate to have their ideas validated, more than anything else.  

Total 100% unmitigated bullsht.  You, sir, are the KING of unsupported assumptions, which you are making right there.  None of the above is true. I admit I don't have the tangible evidence you seek and that this is based on my opinion of the league.  And when, other than this, have I EVER initiated or supported a conspiracy theory?  The only thing I've ever said is that the refs favor the whiney studs like Tom Brady, over the young and less established QBs, and never the jets obviously for that reason.  But not in favor of any particular teams outside of the Brady/NE connection.  So take your overly broad generalization about me, put it in a pipe and smoke it. 

I still believe the league is going to have the refs give Chiefs any slight advantage if given the opportunity if the game is close.  The NFL motives are extreme.  Now what else do you want to say about me that is false? Sheesh.  

[Warfish]

37 minutes ago, Dcat said:

You, sir, are the KING of unsupported assumptions, which you are making right there.

So.......much.....irony.  This entire theory is a baseless assumption, lol.  Come on DCat, really.

37 minutes ago, Dcat said:

And when, other than this, have I EVER initiated or supported a conspiracy theory?

The psychological nature of conspiracy theories/theorists are consistently similar in their nature, regardless of the specific theory they're currently flogging.  i.e. it isn't about you specifically.

37 minutes ago, Dcat said:

So take your overly broad generalization about me, put it in a pipe and smoke it. 

I prefer high-end pot in the very rare instance I need to smoke something, but thanks tho!  

37 minutes ago, Dcat said:

I still believe the league is going to have the refs give Chiefs any slight advantage if given the opportunity if the game is close.

So again, "have the Refs" would require the league to actually order the individual Refs to do it, the Refs to both know when and how to do it in a way that could not be proven, leaving no evidence the order was ever made, and the Refs to agree and stay silent about it forever.  And of course the league would need sufficient motivation to fix the game that would eclipse the risk being taken to do so.

Sorry, but prove it.  And we know you can't.  Which is why this is an entirely baseless fantasy theory with no factual support behind it.

May as well claim Aliens are mind-controlling the Refs, you have about the same amount of supporting evidence for that idea as you do for this one.  At least Aliens are fun and Aaron Rodgers might join the conversation.......

37 minutes ago, Dcat said:

  The NFL motives are extreme. 

The supposed "billions" of added Swifty-based League revenue that you cannot identify a single actual source for or method in which the league is receiving it? 

Yup, extremely extreme extremeness!  I'll repeat, come on DCat, really.  You're too damn smart for this silliness.

[Dunnie]

Source please for this supposed additional "billions of dollars" the NFL is reaping from "Swift Fans" they otherwise would not have received.
This is clearly a factual claim, you should have SOME factual, source-based basis for making it.

I have no source ... But I can tell you that my daughter has been reported watching actual NFL.games with her friends and they knew what a Kelce was... So ... Tiny sample.size ... But this person had been seen fleeing the country in prior years when kickoff ensued on Sunday .

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, Dunnie said:

I have no source ... But I can tell you that my daughter has been reported watching actual NFL.games with her friends and they knew what a Kelce was... So ... Tiny sample.size ... But this person had been seen fleeing the country in prior years when kickoff ensued on Sunday .

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Your daughter and her friends (or any new Swifty kids) watching a few minutes of a game waiting to see Swift generates....$0.00 of additional revenue to the NFL.  And in the short run, $0.00 additional revenue to the Networks.

No one is signing up for Sunday ticket for 3.8 seconds of Swift coverage during an NFL game.

No one is signing up for a new streaming service for 3.8 seconds of Swift coverage during a streamed NFL game.

And they're not likely to stick around and be NFL fans or watchers once the Swift-Kelce thing ends (and it will).

And I'd wager Swifties aren't out there buying Chiefs Gear so much as buying more Swift gear from the Swift e-store.

Again, I liken the league PR'ing the Swift thing as akin to the league getting all PInk'ed up for Breast Cancer Awareness.  Or why the bring silly lightweight pop/R&B acts to the SB Halftime Show.  It's a PR thing to broaden league appeal long term to women.  The league already has men. 

It's certainly not something worthy of fixing scores and games for.  If that were even possible without being exposed by all the people who'd have to be involved to make it happen.

[Dunnie]

Your daughter and her friends (or any new Swifty kids) watching a few minutes of a game waiting to see Swift generates....$0.00 of additional revenue to the NFL.  And in the short run, $0.00 additional revenue to the Networks.
No one is signing up for Sunday ticket for 3.8 seconds of Swift coverage during an NFL game.
No one is signing up for a new streaming service for 3.8 seconds of Swift coverage during a streamed NFL game.
And they're not likely to stick around and be NFL fans or watchers once the Swift-Kelce thing ends (and it will).
And I'd wager Swifties aren't out there buying Chiefs Gear so much as buying more Swift gear from the Swift e-store.
Again, I liken the league PR'ing the Swift thing as akin to the league getting all PInk'ed up for Breast Cancer Awareness.  Or why the bring silly lightweight pop/R&B acts to the SB Halftime Show.  It's a PR thing to broaden league appeal long term to women.  The league already has men. 
It's certainly not something worthy of fixing scores and games for.  If that were even possible without being exposed by all the people who'd have to be involved to make it happen.

I work in marketing .. this absolutely does result in $$$

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16 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I work in marketing

I am not in any way surprised by this.