CrazyCarl40 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 41 minutes ago, drdetroit said: It was a bad move. Abraham was maybe the best edge rusher this organization has ever seen and we have never even come close to replacing Mangold was good but can easily be replaced and will be this offseason Mangold is a borderline hall of famer. John Abraham was not as good at DE as Mangold was at center. Your revisionist history isn't going to fly here. It was the right move because Abraham didn't really want to be a Jet anymore. He wouldn't have brought the Jets a title either. I was big Abe fan but the move was good at the time and still holds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Mangold is a borderline hall of famer. John Abraham was not as good at DE as Mangold was at center. Your revisionist history isn't going to fly here. It was the right move because Abraham didn't really want to be a Jet anymore. He wouldn't have brought the Jets a title either. I was big Abe fan but the move was good at the time and still holds up. We could have used Abe to get some pressure on Payton & Big Ben in 2009 & 2010! May just have changed the outcome... you never know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jetster said: We could have used Abe to get some pressure on Payton & Big Ben in 2009 & 2010! May just have changed the outcome... you never know? Abe wouldn't have played. Had a thing about not playing in playoff games.Hence, the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 17 minutes ago, Jetster said: We could have used Abe to get some pressure on Payton & Big Ben in 2009 & 2010! May just have changed the outcome... you never know? Doubtful he would have even played. And who knows how good that offensive line would have been without Mangold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 3 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Mangold is a borderline hall of famer. John Abraham was not as good at DE as Mangold was at center. Your revisionist history isn't going to fly here. It was the right move because Abraham didn't really want to be a Jet anymore. He wouldn't have brought the Jets a title either. I was big Abe fan but the move was good at the time and still holds up. Abe was a 5 time Pro bowler a 2 time All Pro 133.5 sacks..Mangold has 7 Pro bowls and also a 2 time Pro Bowler .. I agree getting Mangold with the pick we got for Abe made the loss a lot easier to take.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 36 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Doubtful he would have even played. And who knows how good that offensive line would have been without Mangold? We could have just kept Jonathon Goodwin! Pro Bowl (2009!) Jets would have been better off with the pass rusher they haven't had since they traded ABE during 2009 & 2010 playoffs & Goodwin at center! 2010- Abraham was a 1st team all pro with 13 sacks, 1 interception, 1 forced fumble,lol. Your name says it all CrazyCarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, Jetster said: We could have just kept Jonathon Goodwin! Pro Bowl (2009!) Jets would have been better off with the pass rusher they haven't had since they traded ABE during 2009 & 2010 playoffs & Goodwin at center! 2010- Abraham was a 1st team all pro with 13 sacks, 1 interception, 1 forced fumble,lol. Your name says it all CrazyCarl Mangold was a pro bowl player in 2010. The trade was a good one. Abe wouldn't have done as well in a 3-4 and he had questionable work ethic and had off field issues. Plus he wanted big money. Mangold has been a leader and a stalwart. No one in their right mind would undo that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 4 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Mangold is a borderline hall of famer. John Abraham was not as good at DE as Mangold was at center. Your revisionist history isn't going to fly here. It was the right move because Abraham didn't really want to be a Jet anymore. He wouldn't have brought the Jets a title either. I was big Abe fan but the move was good at the time and still holds up. Pass rushing OLB/DEis the second most important asset in the NFL now after qb Nothing revisionist about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 37 minutes ago, Jetster said: We could have just kept Jonathon Goodwin! Pro Bowl (2009!) Jets would have been better off with the pass rusher they haven't had since they traded ABE during 2009 & 2010 playoffs & Goodwin at center! 2010- Abraham was a 1st team all pro with 13 sacks, 1 interception, 1 forced fumble,lol. Your name says it all CrazyCarl It's amazing how Mangini is called this amazing evaluator of talent yet the guy screwed us in 2006 Not only did we have Goodwin we also had Mawae under contract who went on to play very well in Tennesee for a couple more seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Pass rushing OLB/DEis the second most important asset in the NFL now after qb Nothing revisionist about that Nobody said it isn't. Not sure what you're trying to argue with the straw man for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Nobody said it isn't. Not sure what you're trying to argue with the straw man for. You're the one saying it was a good move getting rid of Abraham to get a Center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Mangold was a warrior fan favorite for years could have been a great former player whenever he decided to retire instead he hitched his wagon to a not so good player and supported everything related in the end smoke clears Mangold is a has been the player he supported on the bench the team in the dumps is he physically injured or is his ego injured. i wish Nick well and hope he gets his priorities in order and puts the team first in any future decisions he decides to make. Would like for him to retire a Jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, drdetroit said: You're the one saying it was a good move getting rid of Abraham to get a Center The trade of Abraham was more layered and comprehensive than they just traded him for Mangold. You guys are too myopic and short sighted on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 If there is one area where the jets don't have major issues, it's at wide receiver. People have a short memory with Decker, clubhouse lawyer or not. Marshall, I'm not sure about, but would probably keep for one more year, despite the maddening number of drops. Enunwa and the young receivers have done a pretty good job, badly need a kick/punt returner, what else is new? Marshall has been just o.k. although the effort is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 59 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: If there is one area where the jets don't have major issues, it's at wide receiver. People have a short memory with Decker, clubhouse lawyer or not. Marshall, I'm not sure about, but would probably keep for one more year, despite the maddening number of drops. Enunwa and the young receivers have done a pretty good job, badly need a kick/punt returner, what else is new? Marshall has been just o.k. although the effort is good QB play has been bad cant expect Marshall or any of the WR's to excel. A decent QB changes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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