Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 July 29, 2011 - Edwards was in court so many people appreciated the move at the time... Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis lauded Holmes' signing. "The guy, to me, is unbelievable as a receiver in terms of his smartness and his route running," he said. "He's a tough sucker and he's a leader. He gave a couple of speeches in our locker room this past year that shows his passion. Him and (Sanchez's) chemistry is great." Sadly, that move was the turning point down and the Jets have not recovered, they would have received 3rd round comp if someone else signed Holmes to that contract = Kirk Cousins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 The most remarkable part of this thread is learning that you can actually get notified on Facebook about stupid things like thisSent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 16 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: We got plenty out of him, like Marshall. There's a reason why great talents like Marshall and Holmes bounce around. No harm in bringing them in for cheap to try and catch lightning in a bottle. The key is to part ways before it gets too messy. As a general matter you are of course correct, but you in effect imply the fault for things getting messy is on the kind of player you mention. Meaning the whole fault. Given some of what has been going on with the Jets and the way they've been run the last few years, what the Qb position has been like, I have no doubt a big factor has been frustration for players who want to win. In other words I think PART of the problem with Holmes was that he didn't like the way the team was going, and losing. A player who wants to win can react badly when frustration gets to them. But I on the whole admire a player who gets frustrated more than one who seems to be fine with collecting his paycheck and losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 14 hours ago, HessStation said: Before my time old man. Should have prefaced that sorry. ^ Strongly dislike! 3 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said: What you're saying is crap! First, get your numbers straight. The deal was for $50M with $24M guaranteed! This was 7 years ago! For that money in those days you could get 3 solid starting quality position players. Instead we sign Holmes and cut half our offense. Sanchez got destroyed the next year due to lack of protection, run blocking and receiving corps. The Holmes deal marked the end of our playoff run and was the first domino to fall which led to the departure of Tannenbaum and hiring of Idzik and we know how things went from there. Holmes was a good player, but the contract the Jets gave him destroyed the Jets. Who did that money cost us? Braylon? Woody retired. You act like they let the offensive line walk. Woody left. Brick, Slauson, Mangold, and Moore all came back. Brick Mangold and Moore all had pro bowl years. The rest of the offense came back in full, plus they added Burress and <cough, cough> Mason. Cotchery left because he didn't like being #3. That was probably the main mistake. Unless you wanted to them to throw a ton of money at TRich to keep him from retiring. Don't "Woe is me!" Sanchez. That piece of sh*t got paid and he sucked. He was handed a top defense and turn-key offense with a great running game and receiving options. The main problem was that they tried/intended to open up the offense the way the board was demanding for five years. They did and Sanchez failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 6 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said: What you're saying is crap! First, get your numbers straight. The deal was for $50M with $24M guaranteed! This was 7 years ago! For that money in those days you could get 3 solid starting quality position players. Instead we sign Holmes and cut half our offense. Sanchez got destroyed the next year due to lack of protection, run blocking and receiving corps. The Holmes deal marked the end of our playoff run and was the first domino to fall which led to the departure of Tannenbaum and hiring of Idzik and we know how things went from there. Holmes was a good player, but the contract the Jets gave him destroyed the Jets. Again, it was $10mil a year. And it wasn't 7 years ago. It was 6. 3-5 starting quality players? meh. Willie Colon got $6mil per. Even the kickers started making about $3mil per. Unless you picked some old, over the the hill had been players? Those aren't solid starting quality position players. Holmes wasn't the reason we are where we are. He was part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 7 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: ^ Strongly dislike! Who did that money cost us? Braylon? Woody retired. You act like they let the offensive line walk. Woody left. Brick, Slauson, Mangold, and Moore all came back. Brick Mangold and Moore all had pro bowl years. The rest of the offense came back in full, plus they added Burress and <cough, cough> Mason. Cotchery left because he didn't like being #3. That was probably the main mistake. Unless you wanted to them to throw a ton of money at TRich to keep him from retiring. Don't "Woe is me!" Sanchez. That piece of sh*t got paid and he sucked. He was handed a top defense and turn-key offense with a great running game and receiving options. The main problem was that they tried/intended to open up the offense the way the board was demanding for five years. They did and Sanchez failed miserably. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 4 hours ago, j4jets said: Again, it was $10mil a year. And it wasn't 7 years ago. It was 6. 3-5 starting quality players? meh. Willie Colon got $6mil per. Even the kickers started making about $3mil per. Unless you picked some old, over the the hill had been players? Those aren't solid starting quality position players. Holmes wasn't the reason we are where we are. He was part of it. He was a major part of it along with Sanchez, but you have to have a QB don't you? Remember the cap was only $120M those days and we had Sanchez, Holmes, Cromartie, Brick, Mangold on the roster and that's just on the offensive side of the ball. Below is our offensive roster after the Holmes signing. Where are Woody (replaced by Wayne Hunter), Hartsock, Braylon, Richardson all terrific blockers. Sanchez was getting killed out there and Holmes was getting doubled every play, till he got hurt. The next year Slauson and Moore were gone (replaced by Ducasse and Turner I believe). Look at our receiving corp, Santonio was the only one who you had to worry about aside from Kerley who was solid, but didn't scare anyone. The Holmes signing was the beginning of our decline. QB: Mark Sanchez, Mark Brunell, Greg McElroy, Drew Willy WR: Plaxico Burress, Jeremy Kerley, Logan Payne, Mike Campbell, Courtney Smith LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Dennis Landolt, Churtis Duron LG: Matt Slauson, Chris Stewart, Taylor Boggs C: Nick Mangold, Robby Felix, Zane Taylor RG: Brandon Moore, Robert Turner, Matt Kroul RT: Wayne Hunter, Vlad Ducasse, Pete Clifford TE: Dustin Keller, Matthew Mulligan, Jeff Cumberland, Josh Baker WR: Santonio Holmes, Derrick Mason, Patrick Turner, Scotty McKnight, Dan DePalma FB: John Conner, Brian Toal RB: Shonn Greene, LaDainian Tomlinson, Joe McKnight, Bilal Powell, Chris Jennings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 8 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: ^ Strongly dislike! Who did that money cost us? Braylon? Woody retired. You act like they let the offensive line walk. Woody left. Brick, Slauson, Mangold, and Moore all came back. Brick Mangold and Moore all had pro bowl years. The rest of the offense came back in full, plus they added Burress and <cough, cough> Mason. Cotchery left because he didn't like being #3. That was probably the main mistake. Unless you wanted to them to throw a ton of money at TRich to keep him from retiring. Don't "Woe is me!" Sanchez. That piece of sh*t got paid and he sucked. He was handed a top defense and turn-key offense with a great running game and receiving options. The main problem was that they tried/intended to open up the offense the way the board was demanding for five years. They did and Sanchez failed miserably. Take a look at how many offensive players the Jets drafted from the day they Jets drafted Sanchez. All their picks were spent on the defensive side of the ball and predictably our offense fell apart. I understand alot of folks feel like you about Sanchez, but if you remember the disaster that was Wayne Hunter, or Vlad Ducasse then you can't put it all on Sanchez. Look at the receivers above, or RBs for that matter. Anyone there who a defense had to worry about? And even though people forget Hartsock, the dude was like another OL, and Richardson and LT were terrific blockers. Braylon was a great blocker too, not to mention a receiving threat that had to be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Mulligan blocks as well or better than Hartsock and he actually caught more balls as a Jet. They opened up the offense and Sanchez couldn't pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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