Can Garrett and Breece be more mentally tough than Carter and Moore?

[jgb]

31 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

It's pretty simple. The sh*tty coaching staff is making good players look like sh*t.

You'd think as experienced Jet fans this would be a simple analysis 

So basically same situation for 28 of last 30 years. Oh, okay.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

7 hours ago, funaz said:

I think Breece has definitely gotten it into his own head with all of the attention Allen is getting. Everytime he is interviewed he is asked about Allen. He says the right things but you can see he is pressing everytime he has the ball.

Wilson, i think is struggling for another reason. He too is pressing, but he is getting frustrated with being blanketed and not getting the targets he normally gets. Rodgers, unlike our previous QBs, wants WRs to do specific things and be in specific places. 

I think unlike Breece, if/when DA gets here it is going to help WIlson a lot. One to see a professional work in the pros, and two open up opportunities for him with softer coverages. Wilson would be the best #2 in the league and he will thrive.

If he was producing like his rookie year, no one would be asking him about 0.

I don't care what anyone says, he was a major disappointment last year. He was coming off injury so he got a pass, but he was a dud until the final month of the season. 

[Gaffneycatch81]

6 hours ago, Warfish said:

Except he is getting the targets he usually gets:

Wilson thru 4 games in 2024:  34 targets, 20 receptions, 191 yards, 1 TD

Wilson thru 4 games in 2023:  36 targets, 21 receptions, 225 yards, 2 TD

Wilson thru 4 games in 2022:  39 targets, 20 receptions, 255 yards, 2 TD

He's getting almost exactly the same number of tagets, and has the same number of receptions, he's had in his first two years this year, thru 4 games. 

His total yardage on those receptions is down.  But that is because he's being used/thrown to differently under Rodgers than he was under Zach.

With Rodgers in 2024, his average depth of target is only 8.4 yards. 

The two previous seasons his average depth of target was 10.2 and 10.5.  While 2 yards may not sound like much, it shows that the routes he's being targeted on are shorter overall.  We've seen him a lot on those short crossing slants, something we didn't see as much with Wilson (because he couldn't throw them on time or accurately, lol)

His YAC being pretty close to his first two years (3.7 Avg. YAC in 2024, 3.4 in 2023 and 4.6 in 2022) show he's producing YAC pretty close to the way his did last year, but because he's being targeted on short routes, he's getting less overall net yardage (this accounts for much of the difference between his 225 yards thru 4 games in 2023 and his 191 yards this year, ~2 less yards per avg. target x ~20 receptions results in ~40 less yards gained.)

What is frustrating Wilson, almost assuredly, is two things:

1. He cannot seem to get quite on the same page as Rodgers, or in Rodgers head, about where Rodgers expects him to be on many plays.  

2. He's failed to get his feet in bounds on a couple of plays he would have in past years (and if he had, his numbers in 2024 would be exceeding his previous two years, btw).

And a bonus 3. The running game hasn't done much this year, and that's allowing opposing D's to focus harder on the passing game (no fear of the run), and him (Wilson) in coverage.

People want to trash talk him, and presume he sucks now, or is a bad attitude, and maybe he is.  Or maybe he's just a fierce top-tier competitor frustrated he, and the O as a whole, isn't playing it's best so far in 2024, and he expects and wants to do better himself.

As the year winds on, we'll find out.  If he's the guy the sh*t talkers think, he'll get himself off the Jets quickly enough after/if we sign Adams, because that will assuredly reduce his opportunities in 2024 and (at least for 2024) make him a #2 at best or #3/#4 at worst in the WR mix.

That’s a lot of good information, and a good post

[Gaffneycatch81]

3 hours ago, Trotter said:

exactly - 4 games in and now Breece and Wilson are soft, not engaged, overrated?

What the hell?  

Yup … it’s pretty crazy

[GregButtleFan]

Don’t know what’s up with GW. By all accounts he had a great camp. I think he will eventually get it together.

Hall…

Couple of things 

 

1) He was drafted to play in LaFleurs running scheme and the best he looked was his rookie year 

2) Saleh (who is best buds with Keith Carter) called Breece out last year “leaving meat on the bone”

3) Breece had some negativity social media commentary about Carter in offseason (forget what exactly)

 

I think there is perhaps an issue with Hall and coaches. He may just not fit this running scheme well. Clearly he’s not a Carter fan. 
 

Really sheds light on the problems with coaching 

1) Coaches can’t adapt their system to the players they have 

2) Saleh hires his friends and treats them more has friends than subordinates. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

3 minutes ago, GregButtleFan said:

Don’t know what’s up with GW. By all accounts he had a great camp. I think he will eventually get it together.

Hall…

Couple of things 

 

1) He was drafted to play in LaFleurs running scheme and the best he looked was his rookie year 

2) Saleh (who is best buds with Keith Carter) called Breece out last year “leaving meat on the bone”

3) Breece had some negativity social media commentary about Carter in offseason (forget what exactly)

 

I think there is perhaps an issue with Hall and coaches. He may just not fit this running scheme well. Clearly he’s not a Carter fan. 

LaFleur and Hackett both run a version of the Shanahan offense. 

[Beerfish]

So we are now blaming two of our young stars with loads of talent who looked good under freaking zach wilson.

The oc is a disgrace the new QB who is a hof mvp who is supposed to raise all players is failing to raise out best young players.  Rodgers can only play with guys like freaking lazard?  Then he is not who we needed here.

[bicketybam]

19 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

So we are now blaming two of our young stars with loads of talent who looked good under freaking zach wilson.

The oc is a disgrace the new QB who is a hof mvp who is supposed to raise all players is failing to raise out best young players.  Rodgers can only play with guys like freaking lazard?  Then he is not who we needed here.

Maybe Rodgers can make Wilson get his feet in bounds and hang in to the ball.

[FidelioJet]

7 hours ago, Warfish said:

Except he is getting the targets he usually gets:

Wilson thru 4 games in 2024:  34 targets, 20 receptions, 191 yards, 1 TD

Wilson thru 4 games in 2023:  36 targets, 21 receptions, 225 yards, 2 TD

Wilson thru 4 games in 2022:  39 targets, 20 receptions, 255 yards, 2 TD

He's getting almost exactly the same number of tagets, and has the same number of receptions, he's had in his first two years this year, thru 4 games. 

His total yardage on those receptions is down.  But that is because he's being used/thrown to differently under Rodgers than he was under Zach.

With Rodgers in 2024, his average depth of target is only 8.4 yards. 

The two previous seasons his average depth of target was 10.2 and 10.5.  While 2 yards may not sound like much, it shows that the routes he's being targeted on are shorter overall.  We've seen him a lot on those short crossing slants, something we didn't see as much with Wilson (because he couldn't throw them on time or accurately, lol)

His YAC being pretty close to his first two years (3.7 Avg. YAC in 2024, 3.4 in 2023 and 4.6 in 2022) show he's producing YAC pretty close to the way his did last year, but because he's being targeted on short routes, he's getting less overall net yardage (this accounts for much of the difference between his 225 yards thru 4 games in 2023 and his 191 yards this year, ~2 less yards per avg. target x ~20 receptions results in ~40 less yards gained.)

What is frustrating Wilson, almost assuredly, is two things:

1. He cannot seem to get quite on the same page as Rodgers, or in Rodgers head, about where Rodgers expects him to be on many plays.  

2. He's failed to get his feet in bounds on a couple of plays he would have in past years (and if he had, his numbers in 2024 would be exceeding his previous two years, btw).

And a bonus 3. The running game hasn't done much this year, and that's allowing opposing D's to focus harder on the passing game (no fear of the run), and him (Wilson) in coverage.

People want to trash talk him, and presume he sucks now, or is a bad attitude, and maybe he is.  Or maybe he's just a fierce top-tier competitor frustrated he, and the O as a whole, isn't playing it's best so far in 2024, and he expects and wants to do better himself.

As the year winds on, we'll find out.  If he's the guy the sh*t talkers think, he'll get himself off the Jets quickly enough after/if we sign Adams, because that will assuredly reduce his opportunities in 2024 and (at least for 2024) make him a #2 at best or #3/#4 at worst in the WR mix.

Wasn't the whole idea that ZW was so bad and that Rodgers was so good that being on the same pace would be a disastrous result?

I don't think keeping pace with Zach Wilson should be the target here.

[NYJCAP2]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Odd that there are two young players who were thriving with Zach Wilson at QB, but whom Jets fans are mad at now because—coincidentally—they’re not putting up numbers this year in the Rodgers-Hackett offense. Do we think they forgot how to play the sport or

Coincidentally, they are on target to match their “good”, not “great” numbers from the first two seasons.

Maybe they are not who Jets fans made them out to be?

[bicketybam]

4 minutes ago, NYJCAP2 said:

Coincidentally, they are on target to match their “good”, not “great” numbers from the first two seasons.

Maybe they are not who Jets fans made them out to be?

You need to funnel Wilson 15 targets a game and he'll catch half of them give or take.

[GregButtleFan]

6 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

LaFleur and Hackett both run a version of the Shanahan offense. 

Hackett doesn’t do the running game. That’s all Keith Carter.