New York Mets 2024 Thread (LFGM)

[Scott Dierking]

Waited to start this thread, until the Yamamoto decision, because that really determined what 2024 would look like. Welp, we know that know.

They gave Yamamoto a decent shot, but you cant twist a guys arm. He would rather be the back seat to Ohtani, and that is ok.

Appears that the Mets pivot will be a somewhat punt 2024 and move towards building 2025 and beyond:

   -Free Agent market, particularly for pitchers is strong: Buehler, Wheeler, Burnes, Fried and more (Scherzer or Verlander anyone)?

   -Develop the farm system and not trade pieces of that in a knee jerk reaction. 

   -Fill the middle of the staff for future (Snell -NO!!!, Montgomery-Maybe, Giolito-Maybe, Imanaga-Maybe.

   -Get Diaz back to a dominant closer.

Cohen went hard for his 5 year WS plan, but it was over ambitious. Tried to overpay with a couple of older pitchers and it din't work. 

This feels 1984ish. 

[section314]

2 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Waited to start this thread, until the Yamamoto decision, because that really determined what 2024 would look like. Welp, we know that know.

They gave Yamamoto a decent shot, but you cant twist a guys arm. He would rather be the back seat to Ohtani, and that is ok.

Appears that the Mets pivot will be a somewhat punt 2024 and move towards building 2025 and beyond:

   -Free Agent market, particularly for pitchers is strong: Buehler, Wheeler, Burnes, Fried and more (Scherzer or Verlander anyone)?

   -Develop the farm system and not trade pieces of that in a knee jerk reaction. 

   -Fill the middle of the staff for future (Snell -NO!!!, Montgomery-Maybe, Giolito-Maybe, Imanaga-Maybe.

   -Get Diaz back to a dominant closer.

Cohen went hard for his 5 year WS plan, but it was over ambitious. Tried to overpay with a couple of older pitchers and it din't work. 

This feels 1984ish. 

I hope you are right about the 1984 vibe. Just need the Carter type trade.😎 

[Scott Dierking]

5 minutes ago, section314 said:

I hope you are right about the 1984 vibe. Just need the Carter type trade.😎 

A Corbin Burnes sign and trade would fit that bill. But what needs to be given up? And, supposedly Milwaukee has taken him off the table, for now. Maybe at a cheaper price come middle of the year. Have to be careful what we give up there.

[section314]

1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

A Corbin Burnes sign and trade would fit that bill. But what needs to be given up? And, supposedly Milwaukee has taken him off the table, for now. Maybe at a cheaper price come middle of the year. Have to be careful what we give up there.

Stearns seems very focused on under the radar moves to actually make this team better on an everyday basis. Saw in Post today that Mets were the 3rd worst defensive team last year, Brewers were best. The OF we got from them in the trade has Never made an error in his career. Wendel is also a very good defender. Mauricio going down hurts in two ways, not only not having him playing but also one less chip to use. I don’t know why, but I just get the feeling that Alonzo may be part of a big deal to get a true ace in here. 

[Rangers9]

Scouts are saying that Yamamoto is a better pitcher than Senga. But Senga is pretty good and he's proven he can be a better than average starter in MLB. I think the Mets will sign a good starter like Snell or Carpenter. The Dodgers deal with Yamamoto per season isn't that bad and he's young he could last the entire 12 years. But I think they put in a buy out after 5 years so if he's great and the market goes way up he can get out of the contract. Look if Ohtani hadn't agreed to defer most of that 700 mil the Dodgers wouldn't have had this additional signing. The real value of the Ohtani signing is in the 400s. The question is why did Ohtani do it. This entire dual signing looks suspicious and obviously gives the LAD a big advantage. 

[RutgersJetFan]

Imanaga and Giolito sure would be a set of nice consolation prizes and would buy the team some more time to develop their young arms down on the farm. Would hate to see them rush Tidwell or the other guy.

[Grandy]

Excited for Baseball. Really miss this team playing. They're usually not great but somehow much more bearable than the Jets.

[Grandy]

I still feel really good about our future. The deadline deals helped our system a ton and I have high hopes for our young guys.

Think Alvarez is going to be incredible. Guy is working his azz off and he has so much talent.

[Rangers9]

It looks like a rebuild. Which is kind of what Cohen said last year after getting rid of Scherzer and Verlander. Btw Scherzer is out injured until July. Mixed in with signing lower rent free agents. It's what happens when you spend big get a 100 million luxury tax and lose. Cohen is no dope he never claimed to be anything but a big businessman. He's seeing green with the Mets and it's always been his main focus. If he's approved to build a casino next to Citifield that's a huge financial win and future cash cow probably more valuable than owning the club. 

[section314]

Sounds like the Mets are very interested in Giolito. 

[TuscanyTile2]

Just a heads-up that Jarred Kelenic is on the Braves now.  

[section314]

Giolito to Red Sox. Really starting to think Mets will acquire our #1 guy via trade.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

2024 is nickel and dime time for the Metsies .

[RutgersJetFan]

Sale to Braves. Oof.

[section314]

8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Sale to Braves. Oof.

IMHO, still the best team in the NL.

[RutgersJetFan]

9 minutes ago, section314 said:

IMHO, still the best team in the NL.

100%. I’m almost like why bother now. With the Mets losing out on everyone it makes me wonder if it’s even worth it at this point. Just focus on the farm? It’s not like the Mets charge outlandish prices and have to justify it, yet. 

[section314]

2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

100%. I’m almost like why bother now. With the Mets losing out on everyone it makes me wonder if it’s even worth it at this point. Just focus on the farm? It’s not like the Mets charge outlandish prices and have to justify it, yet. 

It’s always fun to try to guess what a team’s plans are and how they have to readjust them depending on how other things shake out. Our system now has been reinforced with better talent but we are top heavy in position players, more so than I can ever remember in my long years as  Mets fan. Seems like our top P prospects, especially starters, are still about 1 year away. With Giolito off the market, maybe they pivot to Montgomery?He would be a nice addition, but no more than what they have now, which is a stable of mostly #3 guys, with Senga maybe a # 2. Maybe. That leads yours truly to still believe the #1 guy will come via trade, which leads us to Pete Alonso.

    The fact that the Mets were all in on Yamamoto  and were willing to pay him$325mm, leads me to believe that 1) the have very quietly begun serious talks with Boras on a LT deal with Pete and had their blessing to pursue Yamamoto or2) they realize that they and Alonso are going to go their separate ways and that he will be the centerpiece of a big trade to acquire a true#1 starter. I”ll take door#2 please. They may feel that Alvarez and a combination of Baty and Vientos may be able to match Alonso’s power numbers, with Acuna and the kid they got from Houston 1-2 years away.

    Who knows, this theory could be 100% wrong, but like I said at the top, it’s fun to guess what might happen. Happy New Year boys.🍷

 

        

[RutgersJetFan]

3 hours ago, section314 said:

It’s always fun to try to guess what a team’s plans are and how they have to readjust them depending on how other things shake out. Our system now has been reinforced with better talent but we are top heavy in position players, more so than I can ever remember in my long years as  Mets fan. Seems like our top P prospects, especially starters, are still about 1 year away. With Giolito off the market, maybe they pivot to Montgomery?He would be a nice addition, but no more than what they have now, which is a stable of mostly #3 guys, with Senga maybe a # 2. Maybe. That leads yours truly to still believe the #1 guy will come via trade, which leads us to Pete Alonso.

    The fact that the Mets were all in on Yamamoto  and were willing to pay him$325mm, leads me to believe that 1) the have very quietly begun serious talks with Boras on a LT deal with Pete and had their blessing to pursue Yamamoto or2) they realize that they and Alonso are going to go their separate ways and that he will be the centerpiece of a big trade to acquire a true#1 starter. I”ll take door#2 please. They may feel that Alvarez and a combination of Baty and Vientos may be able to match Alonso’s power numbers, with Acuna and the kid they got from Houston 1-2 years away.

    Who knows, this theory could be 100% wrong, but like I said at the top, it’s fun to guess what might happen. Happy New Year boys.🍷

I've never been on board the trading Pete train for a couple reasons whether it's for another player or prospects because the likelihood on a even or plus return on that is unlikely:

1. The return you get in terms of pitching for what Pete contributes to offensive WAR is like...a really small handful of guys. And with the injury problems and inconsistencies that modern arms run into I think it 100% makes sense to keep the bat and just pay for pitching. How many pitchers can you say are consistently dominant enough to justify getting rid of 40-50 HR's per year? Maybe 3-4 guys at best? And are any of them even available? Probably not.

2. Trading him for prospects has always made no sense to me. You'll get 2 or 3 top guys in exchange for him and then your best outcome is that one of them turns into Pete Alonso, which is unlikely.

I still think they pay him and the whole topic itself seems to be more media driven than something they are actively pursuing, but what the heck do I know I'm just another d-bag on the internet. But if I was the Assistant to the Traveling Secretary I would advise not to trade one of if not the most prolific home run hitter in the history of the franchise. This era of offense is all about the long ball and the Mets have one of the best in the league. Just my 2 c's. 

And Happy New Year!

[section314]

6 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I've never been on board the trading Pete train for a couple reasons whether it's for another player or prospects because the likelihood on a even or plus return on that is unlikely:

1. The return you get in terms of pitching for what Pete contributes to offensive WAR is like...a really small handful of guys. And with the injury problems and inconsistencies that modern arms run into I think it 100% makes sense to keep the bat and just pay for pitching. How many pitchers can you say are consistently dominant enough to justify getting rid of 40-50 HR's per year? Maybe 3-4 guys at best? And are any of them even available? Probably not.

2. Trading him for prospects has always made no sense to me. You'll get 2 or 3 top guys in exchange for him and then your best outcome is that one of them turns into Pete Alonso, which is unlikely.

I still think they pay him and the whole topic itself seems to be more media driven than something they are actively pursuing, but what the heck do I know I'm just another d-bag on the internet. But if I was the Assistant to the Traveling Secretary I would advise not to trade one of if not the most prolific home run hitter in the history of the franchise. This era of offense is all about the long ball and the Mets have one of the best in the league. Just my 2 c's. 

And Happy New Year!

Love your perspective. That’s why I said it is so much fun to debate what they will/won’t do. For me.at least, it beats the puss out of talking about the backup QB next year or where Zach goes on vacation.😎

[TuscanyTile2]

On 12/31/2023 at 8:18 AM, section314 said:

IMHO, still the best team in the NL.

And the best run team in the entire league.  They're the standard for getting talent but not paying the insane salaries that we see these days.  

[32EBoozer]

On 12/31/2023 at 8:18 AM, section314 said:

IMHO, still the best team in the NL.

Agreed. They stack up well talent wise to LA & Philly. 5 deep rotation and an incredible lineup with 8 All-Stars locked up for several years and a Farm System overflowing with young talent. 

[Rangers9]

The Mets signed a really good player Harrison Bader. 

[32EBoozer]

11 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

The Mets signed a really good player Harrison Bader. 

Good glove.... bad bat!

They are thinking they can move Nimmo to a corner OF position

[Rangers9]

3 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Good glove.... bad bat!

They are thinking they can move Nimmo to a corner OF position

He's getting 10.5 for one season. His lifetime BA is .243 but he can be a better hitter than that maybe. The Mets got rid of two good outfielders last year, Pham and Canha. I think he fits in and can be a good addition. He's not going to carry the team offensively but having good, smart all around baseball players makes for winning teams. Harrison Bader Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Rookie Status & More | Baseball-Reference.com

[RutgersJetFan]

4 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Good glove.... bad bat!

They are thinking they can move Nimmo to a corner OF position

Slide Nimmo to left and/or insurance for when Marte goes down again and/or Gilbert isn't ready? Nimmo can slide to either side easily if needs be. I find it hard to fathom they are expecting much from Marte this year.

IMO this is going to be a transitional year for the OF as they sort out all of their top 2B/SS prospects and who is going to play where. They are going to have some decisions to make in that regard for Jett and Acuna. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see them bring in another vet on a 1-year deal.

[32EBoozer]

17 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

He's getting 10.5 for one season. His lifetime BA is .243 but he can be a better hitter than that maybe. The Mets got rid of two good outfielders last year, Pham and Canha. I think he fits in and can be a good addition. He's not going to carry the team offensively but having good, smart all around baseball players makes for winning teams. Harrison Bader Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Rookie Status & More | Baseball-Reference.com

Maybe using “Bad bat” was an overstatement. Offensively, we can’t stay with Braves, Philly, Dodgers etc. With the current makeup of our pitching staff, we need production from every position. Definitely a rebuilding year… clear Bad contracts.

[Rangers9]

There's been a rumor recently that the Mets are considering signing Trevor Bauer. I hope it's not true. Most recently by a few moderators on WFAN. It's not a bunch I listen to much or respect. Sure the Mets could get him cheaper and he's a great talent. And to these guys it's only about the team winning. Look you can win without Bauer. The Dodgers and MLB did complete investigations. And give the LAD credit they cut him and lost over 20 million. You can't always prove in court a persons guilt beyond a responsible doubt. It's not easy esp when you have a he said she said. And there are multiple women. And not just sexual assault, severe physical assault. But better to let a guilty person walk than the opposite. I remember after the Dodgers cut him somebody in their org maybe an ex player said he was proud of the team. His own sister had gone through that getting beaten up by some guy. So I really hope this isn't happening. 

[32EBoozer]

9 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

There's been a rumor recently that the Mets are considering signing Trevor Bauer. I hope it's not true. Most recently by a few moderators on WFAN. It's not a bunch I listen to much or respect. Sure the Mets could get him cheaper and he's a great talent. And to these guys it's only about the team winning. Look you can win without Bauer. The Dodgers and MLB did complete investigations. And give the LAD credit they cut him and lost over 20 million. You can't always prove in court a persons guilt beyond a responsible doubt. It's not easy esp when you have a he said she said. And there are multiple women. And not just sexual assault, severe physical assault. But better to let a guilty person walk than the opposite. I remember after the Dodgers cut him somebody in their org maybe an ex player said he was proud of the team. His own sister had gone through that getting beaten up by some guy. So I really hope this isn't happening. 

There’s the suffering fan in me that says “he beat the charges and was framed” but when digging deeper, it appears that he has a dark side that gets off on abusing women.

So, I beat back on the “win-at-all-cost” fan and lean in to the guidance my faith requires. Building a winning culture requires sacrifice.

We just signed LHP Manaea on a 2-yr $28m deal. Meh.

Guillorme signs with Braves and will most likely have a d’Arnaud type renaissance. 
 

It’s going to be a long season. Hoping that the young players in AA & AAA bust down the door this year and get called up. Only that, and seeing what happens with Pete, would keep me interested come August & September when we 20 games out!

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

Guillorme signs with Braves and will most likely have a d’Arnaud type renaissance. 

You can see this one coming from miles away.  Don't forget the Braves also have Jarred Kelenic.

[RutgersJetFan]

Even with Manaea, there is not one pitcher on this staff that you can say you have to get over to the ballpark to see. Senga is great and maybe he gets there but that’s still a depressing way to start the year. When’s the last time the Mets had an opening day staff this mediocre? 

Reminds me of the Mike Pelfrey years. But at least then they were still trotting out Dickey. 

[section314]

2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Even with Manaea, there is not one pitcher on this staff that you can say you have to get over to the ballpark to see. Senga is great and maybe he gets there but that’s still a depressing way to start the year. When’s the last time the Mets had an opening day staff this mediocre? 

Reminds me of the Mike Pelfrey years. But at least then they were still trotting out Dickey. 

After the Seaver trade when the ace was pat Zachary, who wasn’t bad. This current staff is all 3-4 types. Senga. is at best a 2.

[Rangers9]

The Mets starters can give you innings and they're not incompetent esp if they have good years which they're all capable of and have done. They're building quantity over quality but it makes sense considering all of the injuries. Plus they have Diaz back and if he's anything close to 2 years ago they could win a lot of games. 

[RutgersJetFan]

21 hours ago, section314 said:

Senga. is at best a 2.

Japanese pitchers historically take half to a full season to adjust. Senga finished 7th in Cy Young voting for a reason. From July on he certainly showed evidence of possibly being an ace.

[chirorob]

On 1/4/2024 at 10:59 PM, Rangers9 said:

The Mets signed a really good player Harrison Bader. 

Always hurt. He should be a Jet

[TuscanyTile2]