YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 This is just my own personal preferences. Just my opinion. Here are Th Head Coaches in The NFL ranked from 1 to 32. 1-Bill Belichick 2-Bill Parcells 3-Joe Gibbs 4-Mike Shanahan 5-Dick Vermeil 6-Andy Reid 7-Mike Holmgren 8-John Gruden 9-Bill Cowher 10-Jeff Fisher 11-John Fox 12-Brian Billick 13-Marty Schottenheimer 14-Tony Dungy 15-Herman Edwards 16-Dennis Green 17-Tom Coughlin 18-Mike Martz 19-Steve Mariucci 20-Mike Sherman 21-Jack Del Rio 22-Marvin Lewis 23-Jim Mora Jr. 24-Mike Tice 25-Norv Turner 26-Dom Capers 27-Jim Hasslett 28-Mike Mularkey 29-Lovie Smith 30-Romeo Crenell 31-Nick Saban 32-Mike Nolan The last 3 guys have never been head coaches in the pros. I can't rank them higher than guys who have already been head coaches. Jim Mora Jr as a first year head coach is already very high on my list but the jury is still out. Jack Del Rio and Marvin Lewis are rising fast. There are some coaches that I am not big fans of like Capers, Dennis Green etc but I have to give them respect because of longevity. From 7 on down. You can make the arguments for any of teh coaches being rated higher or lower. This is just my personal opinion. I know already where all you guys have Herm ranked. 27 to 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Pretty good list YJF. I pretty much agree with the whole thing. I would not put BB ahead of Parcells until I see him win with his own staff, jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Pretty good list YJF. I pretty much agree with the whole thing. I would not put BB ahead of Parcells until I see him win with his own staff, jmo. Why not? Parcells hasn't won anything since Belichick left him. I'd say it's a wash at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I know already where all you guys have Herm ranked. 27 to 32. That's where he belongs, all right, but I'll give you credit, Young Herm Fan - I expected you to put him between Mumbles and Tuna. You surprised me, pleasantly, even if you still overrate the moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 Pretty good list YJF. I pretty much agree with the whole thing. I would not put BB ahead of Parcells until I see him win with his own staff, jmo. I see your point. Parcells has never won a superbowl without Belichick on his staff. Belichick has 3 superbowls without Parcells. I think BB is the better head coach. Better tactician. Belichick is The Bill Walsh of defense. Parcells is a great leader/motivator but his X's and O's are not as good as people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Why not? Parcells hasn't won anything since Belichick left him. I'd say it's a wash at best. And BB hasn't won anything without Romeo. See how stupid that theory is? BB came with a ready made well oiled coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I like it YJF, very good, gotta love the fact that you have Herm in the Top 15 as well. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 I like it YJF, very good, gotta love the fact that you have Herm in the Top 15 as well. :wink: What can I say? That's how I feel. There are so many different factors involved in being a good head coach. There's chemistry. Herm is ranked very high in that. There's leadership qualities. That's another area where he ranks really high. There's motivation. That's another area where he is very strong. Preparing The Team, Passion and Work Ethic. That's another area where he is really strong. Managing The Game. He's poor in this area. That's why he's not a top tier head coach. He's in the middle of the pack because of this. Everything else, I'm happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 And BB hasn't won anything without Romeo. See how stupid that theory is? BB came with a ready made well oiled coaching staff. So then seeing that Parcells has already proven he wasn't the reason for his own Super Bowl victories then he is rightfully sucking Belichick's sack. Once Belichick falls without his old staff then we can talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 So then seeing that Parcells has already proven he wasn't the reason for his own Super Bowl victories then he is rightfully sucking Belichick's sack. Once Belichick falls without his old staff then we can talk. No once BB wins with his own staff we can talk. You can't coach your players if you are always coaching your coaches. That is why keeping your staff intact is so important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 This is why coaching is a tad bit overrated sometimes. It's important but you need talent to win and some luck. What do Bill Parcells, John Gruden, Joe Gibbs and Dick Vermeil all have in common? They all had losing seasons last year. Just because you have a good head coach. That doesn't mean that you are going to win. You need talent. Even though, Belichick gets the most out of his players and is one of the greatest head coaches of all time. He has better talent than people actually realize. I ranked John Fox very high for just a 3rd year head coach. Even though, He's only made the playoffs once in three years. I just happen to like the way he runs his team. There's more to being a head coach than just X's and O's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 This is why coaching is a tad bit overrated sometimes. It's important but you need talent to win and some luck. What do Bill Parcells, John Gruden, Joe Gibbs and d!ck Vermeil all have in common? They all had losing seasons last year. Just because you have a good head coach. That doesn't mean that you are going to win. You need talent. Even though, Belichick gets the most out of his players and is one of the greatest head coaches of all time. He has better talent than people actually realize. I ranked John Fox very high for just a 3rd year head coach. Even though, He's only made the playoffs once in three years. I just happen to like the way he runs his team. There's more to being a head coach than just X's and O's. Nice post and I agree. YOu need a nice combination of players, and coaches who know how to motivate and use them in the right situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I see your point. Parcells has never won a superbowl without Belichick on his staff. Belichick has 3 superbowls without Parcells. I think BB is the better head coach. Better tactician. Belichick is The Bill Walsh of defense. Parcells is a great leader/motivator but his X's and O's are not as good as people think. What you should say is BB never won a Super Bowl without a Tuna made Staff! Just like Hermie never got to the playoffs without a Tuna QB and most of the Tuna Team!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 What you should say is BB never won a Super Bowl without a Tuna made Staff! Just like Hermie never got to the playoffs without a Tuna QB and most of the Tuna Team!! Here we go again Savage. We are in full hitchcock mode here with quoting eachother's quotes. BB's a better head coach than Parcells. Belichick has 5 superbowl rings. Parcells has 2. How come Parcells doesn't win superbowls with his new tuna made staffs but Belichick does. I love this Tuna made and Tuna Team stuff. When Parcells went 10 and 6 his first year in Dallas. I didn't say Parcells made it to the playoffs with Campo talent. You win with the players you win it. Previous coaching staffs do not take credit for the work you do. Every new head coach inherits players from previous staffs or regimes. How many players on Dallas are Tuna guys? Keyshawn, Vinny and Dedric Ward. I missed the part where Roy Williams, Dat Ngyuen, Larry Allen, Laroi Glover and Flozell Adams were Parcells guys. This love affair, you guys have with Parcells is laughable. He did a great job while he was here but Parcells is a selfish jerk who tries to take all the credit and leaves every team in a bad spot. He cares more about himself than he does the teams he works for. That's his legacy as a man and a head coach. As a head coach, He's one of the greatest of all time. Can't deny it. Herman Edwards is not even in his freaking league but Parcells is a selfish jerk who gets way too much praise and respect from a fan base that he crapped all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 What you should say is BB never won a Super Bowl without a Tuna made Staff! Just like Hermie never got to the playoffs without a Tuna QB and most of the Tuna Team!! Hi, my name is Savage, and I hate everything about my "favorite" team.....which makes me wonder why it's my favorite team...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 So then seeing that Parcells has already proven he wasn't the reason for his own Super Bowl victories then he is rightfully sucking Belichick's sack. Once Belichick falls without his old staff then we can talk.[/quote He'll have his chance to chang the minds of his doubters My thinking is he goes back to his Cleveland ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Here we go again Savage. We are in full hitchcock mode here with quoting eachother's quotes. BB's a better head coach than Parcells. Belichick has 5 superbowl rings. Parcells has 2. How come Parcells doesn't win superbowls with his new tuna made staffs but Belichick does. I love this Tuna made and Tuna Team stuff. When Parcells went 10 and 6 his first year in Dallas. I didn't say Parcells made it to the playoffs with Campo talent. You win with the players you win it. Previous coaching staffs do not take credit for the work you do. Every new head coach inherits players from previous staffs or regimes. How many players on Dallas are Tuna guys? Keyshawn, Vinny and Dedric Ward. I missed the part where Roy Williams, Dat Ngyuen, Larry Allen, Laroi Glover and Flozell Adams were Parcells guys. This love affair, you guys have with Parcells is laughable. He did a great job while he was here but Parcells is a selfish jerk who tries to take all the credit and leaves every team in a bad spot. He cares more about himself than he does the teams he works for. That's his legacy as a man and a head coach. As a head coach, He's one of the greatest of all time. Can't deny it. Herman Edwards is not even in his freaking league but Parcells is a selfish jerk who gets way too much praise and respect from a fan base that he crapped all over. Parcells just began in Dallas. Why don't you give the guy a chance? It's not like he has been there 4 or 5 years like your boy Hermy. As far as making it to the playoffs with Campo's talent. I would say that is not exactly accurate. I mean Parcells added a couple of players and had players playing much better than they ever did under Campo. What players did not perform under Parcells but performed better under Herm? Last year Parcells did pretty well in my eyes. He got rid of a lot of salary. He got a extra first rounder this year and he found a franchise runningback. Now he has a lot of cap room and picks. Bet your money Dallas will finish in atleast second if not first in that division next year and definitly make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hi, my name is Savage, and I hate everything about my "favorite" team.....which makes me wonder why it's my favorite team...... I like the Truth Fish!! Something that alot of you spinner's hate! I'll use the Facts if it's for or against MY Favorite Team!! Which I have been a Fan of since before you were born you Quasi Bait eating never caught a real Fish or saw a Jet Super Bowl live wanna be intellectual left wing Commie!! Whew!! I need a beer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hi, my name is Savage, and I hate everything about my "favorite" team.....which makes me wonder why it's my favorite team...... That's so funny...because it's true He hates The Coach The NFL's leading rusher Hated the OC Hates the GM Thinks the star DE is a wuss Hates where they play Hates the TE Can't stand the new WR SHould have paid for Fergie, Lamont and KMac Thinks the QB sucks I'm not sure, does he like the 90's Green uniforms better too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 ....never caught a real Fish.... OUCH! That's below the Belt my friend. I take great pride in the mutitude of minnows I've caught over the years, LOL! Guess you got me pegged, eh Sav, LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 That's so funny...because it's true He hates The Coach The NFL's leading rusher Hated the OC Hates the GM Thinks the star DE is a wuss Hates where they play Hates the TE Can't stand the new WR SHould have paid for Fergie, Lamont and KMac Thinks the QB sucks I'm not sure, does he like the 90's Green uniforms better too? JonE is that the Medication talking or do you make it up as you go along?? Some facts my good fellow! Never wanted to keep Fergie,Mac and with the Cap keeping Jordan would have been stupid!Also I was on Abe's side something you were not! As long as Coles has 10 piggley Wiggly's that work I'm happy! I'm in Fla so where they play isn't a Factor with me..I'm a big Chad fan..The only thing your correct on is Martin, who I don't hate I just think he's over paid for what he brings..Tell me, if you only had to tell the Truth would that make you a Mute??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Tell me, if you only had to tell the Truth would that make you a Mute??? See Savage This is why I try not to talk to you too much It's that damn witty sense of humor that I have no comeback for :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I see your point. Parcells has never won a superbowl without Belichick on his staff. Belichick has 3 superbowls without Parcells. I think BB is the better head coach. Better tactician. Belichick is The Bill Walsh of defense. Parcells is a great leader/motivator but his X's and O's are not as good as people think. And now lets see if BB can win another one without CW and RC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hi, my name is Savage, and I hate everything about my "favorite" team.....which makes me wonder why it's my favorite team...... Same reason why I got bounced off several Pats message boards. Why is it that 95% of fans can not accept critical analysis of their own team? If anybody questions Savage's loyalty as a fan of the Jets, they have absolutely no clue. One thing about rooting for a team to "just make the playoffs" and a completely another rooting for a team to "win the Super Bowl". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 And now lets see if BB can win another one without CW and RC. To be serious for a second Tex.. I think the Jets have a excellent chance of dethroning the Pats next season..When we lose Coaches it's usually a Good thing..Not so with the Pats..This shakeup in Pat land may just take it's toll! Plus 3 out of 4 Bowls has a way of making some players complacent..I don't think the Pats will be bad by any stretch..But if Chad's noodle arm comes back Al Dente,we just might do it!! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 To be serious for a second Tex.. I think the Jets have a excellent chance of dethroning the Pats next season..When we lose Coaches it's usually a Good thing..Not so with the Pats..This shakeup in Pat land may just take it's toll! Plus 3 out of 4 Bowls has a way of making some players complacent..I don't think the Pats will be bad by any stretch..But if Chad's noodle arm comes back Al Dente,we just might do it!! :wink: Believe it or not, I think the best medicine for "complacency" that happened to the Pats was when the Jets won the AFCE in 2002. BB drilled that home from day one and it led to Super Bowl victories in 38 and 39. Thank you Mo Lewis and the New York Jets. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Pretty good list YJF. I pretty much agree with the whole thing. I would not put BB ahead of Parcells until I see him win with his own staff, jmo. Parcells playoff record without Belichick: 0-2, and one of those losses was to Belichick. Belichick's playoff record without Parcells: 10-1 I would put BB ahead of Parcells in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I love this Tuna made and Tuna Team stuff. When Parcells went 10 and 6 his first year in Dallas. I didn't say Parcells made it to the playoffs with Campo talent. You win with the players you win it. Previous coaching staffs do not take credit for the work you do. Every new head coach inherits players from previous staffs or regimes. How many players on Dallas are Tuna guys? Keyshawn, Vinny and Dedric Ward. I missed the part where Roy Williams, Dat Ngyuen, Larry Allen, Laroi Glover and Flozell Adams were Parcells guys. Right. I once got in an argument over this issue with a Raiders fan. It ended when I pointed out that Parcells in his 1st year as a head coach inherited Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Jim Burt, and Mark Haynes. Not a bad dowry from the immortal Ray Perkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Parcells playoff record without Belichick: 0-2, and one of those losses was to Belichick. Belichick's playoff record without Parcells: 10-1 I would put BB ahead of Parcells in a heartbeat. And you would be wrong. That's a really dumb stat to close a case with. Very narrow minded and I'm suprised you would use it. The two times Parcells was without BB he was building a staff and team from scratch. The one time BB tried that he was run out of town. Something that has never happened to Parcells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 And you would be wrong. That's a really dumb stat to close a case with. Very narrow minded and I'm suprised you would use it. The two times Parcells was without BB he was building a staff and team from scratch. The one time BB tried that he was run out of town. Something that has never happened to Parcells. For crying out loud, we have a new spin doctor on the board. YJF, you have been displaced. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 And you would be wrong. That's a really dumb stat to close a case with. Very narrow minded and I'm suprised you would use it. The two times Parcells was without BB he was building a staff and team from scratch. The one time BB tried that he was run out of town. Something that has never happened to Parcells. Uh dude, the time he was beat by Belichick Belichick had been rebuilding a pretty heinous Cleveland Browns team himself. and Parcells has never been run out of town because he always skips town like a deadbeat dad when child support checks (or the cap hits) are due. A lot of people try to give Parcells more credit for "doing it in multiple places". I'd be more impressed if he stuck to his guns instead of bouncing around and credit carding teams caps to give himself a window. Besides that "doing it in multiple places" thing is sort of weak. 2 SB wins with the giants 1 SB loss with the Pats 1 AFCC loss with the Jets 1 playoff loss with the Cowboys Notice a pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 FURTHERMORE on the BB/CW thing.... Belichick has NOTHING to prove. Yet. If Weis goes on to win a couple national championships with Notre Dame or Crennel wins a superbowl or two with Cleveland it's fair to ask that question, but until something like that happens it's unreasonable to try to make that argument. We don't question whether Parcells could really win it all without Belichick just because Parcells has never won much of ANYTHING without Belichick--- we question it because Belichick has also shown himself to be a great coach in his own right. If 5 years from now Crennel is defending a superbowl title and the Patriots have been mired in mediocrity, then yes, it would be fair to ask if BB could win it without Crennel/Weis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Uh dude, the time he was beat by Belichick Belichick had been rebuilding a pretty heinous Cleveland Browns team himself. and Parcells has never been run out of town because he always skips town like a deadbeat dad when child support checks (or the cap hits) are due. A lot of people try to give Parcells more credit for "doing it in multiple places". I'd be more impressed if he stuck to his guns instead of bouncing around and credit carding teams caps to give himself a window. Besides that "doing it in multiple places" thing is sort of weak. 2 SB wins with the giants 1 SB loss with the Pats 1 AFCC loss with the Jets 1 playoff loss with the Cowboys Notice a pattern? Uh dude, so why did BB fail so bad in Cleveland? Maybe because his ready made coaching staff wasn't there? Cleveland was a playoff team 89 while the Pats were thier ussual 5-11. It was the Jets whom Parcells left in cap hell and I think by the way he is running the Cowboys he has learned his lesson there. BTW, if changing teams and continuing success is so easy why is it almost never done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Uh dude, so why did BB fail so bad in Cleveland? Maybe because his ready made coaching staff wasn't there? Cleveland was a playoff team 89 while the Pats were thier ussual 5-11. It was the Jets whom Parcells left in cap hell and I think by the way he is running the Cowboys he has learned his lesson there. BTW, if changing teams and continuing success is so easy why is it almost never done? 1) Belichick wasn't as good a HC back then. He has learned lessons from his mistakes in Cleveland. 2) The Browns lost in their first 3 years as Belichick rebuilt, then went to the playoffs with the NFL's #1 defense and beat Parcells Patriots before losing to the Steelers. The following year they started 3-1.... and then Art Modell announced he was moving the team to Baltimore and the bottom fell out. The team lost 10 of its next 12. It was an unusual situation to say the least and Belichick may well have had more success had circumstances been slightly different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 1) Belichick wasn't as good a HC back then. He has learned lessons from his mistakes in Cleveland. 2) The Browns lost in their first 3 years as Belichick rebuilt, then went to the playoffs with the NFL's #1 defense and beat Parcells Patriots before losing to the Steelers. The following year they started 3-1.... and then Art Modell announced he was moving the team to Baltimore and the bottom fell out. The team lost 10 of its next 12. It was an unusual situation to say the least and Belichick may well have had more success had circumstances been slightly different. Now do you see the challenge in taking over new teams and why it should be held as a higher accomplishment than just winning with the same staff and players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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