T0mShane Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 "Do not become available" means that they do not get traded and by extension FAs. The guy was traded because it was his contract year. You're just ******* with me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Give me a ******* break. Woe is me! How did they ever win? Horrible, joke coach, check. Awful QB, check. Incompetent GM that set the franchise back 5 years check. How do they even win a game, let alone playoff games? Honestly? Beats the sh*t out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Honestly? Beats the sh*t out of me. Parity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 By "on the verge" you meant "weeks away from", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I think a major influence in re-signing Holmes was that there was a lockout a new CBA being ironed out. Therefore, players weren't being signed or negotiated with prior to the official end to the 2010 season, and certainly not ones that required large amounts of cash bonus before a potential lockout season. (Why write a $5-10M signing bonus check to a player when your official posture to the media is you, the owner, are willing to let there be a lost/missing season in 2011?). So then a new CBA is ironed out and teams are given a little time (very little time compared to the multiple weeks they used to have) to negotiate with their own about-to-be FAs. Jets had such expiring contracts just at the WR position alone: Holmes, Edwards, and Brad Smith. Smith never was a true, starting WR so he wasn't going to be a priority. Then there was Edwards who, at the time, wanted a long-term contract for several million per year and neither the Jets or any other NFL team was biting on that. So that's 2 WRs gone. And then there's Holmes. So the Jets sign him to a contract consistent with the #1 WR available in free agency who did not require compensation to his prior team. Here are the other unrestricted free agent WRs at the time: Plaxico Burress (who had the second-best statistical season among UFAs. Second to Santonio Holmes). Randy Moss (who retired) Terrell Owens (who nobody signed) Braylon Edwards (who nobody signed for weeks until he finally accepted a 1-year show-me deal he failed at) Santana Moss (anyone claiming they would have been ok with him as the #1 receiver in 2011 is lying) TJ Houshmandzadeh (who nobody signed). Mark Clayton Brandon Stokley Donte Stallworth Take a look at that list. The Jets were losing their top 3 WRs. Of course they could have traded two #1s, a #2, and two #4's to Cleveland to move up to #6 to select Julio Jones back in April. But even Atlanta, who did, wasn't going into Jones's rookie season with him as the #1 WR (and no other WRs returning). Next-best rated WR in the draft when we picked in round 1 was Titus Young. He's available now. No one else had even a marginal round 1 grade. Partly because he was going to get a pretty big contract from someone else in an otherwise barren UFA market at the position, if the Jets didn't beat everyone to the punch, and partly because they'd already decided not to sign two other WRs to expensive multi-year deals (wise decisions on both ends), the Jets re-signed Holmes. If anything, it was a combination of bad planning and bad circumstance to have all of their top-3 WRs on expiring contracts. That was only compounded by a looming owners' lockout that same offseason. Brad Smith's Buffalo contract would have been stupid to match. Instead of locking up Braylon long-term a year prior, they gave him a high RFA tag which they were allowed to do under the old CBA and got him back for another season a hell of a lot cheaper than it would have been to lock him up for 5 years. And then there was Holmes, whose rookie contract was also expiring. Holmes we got for peanuts a year earlier and it was a great, great move to get him. It was a terrible contract but seems far worse in hindsight because we see that we didn't go anywhere even with him on the team. Even if people didn't like re-signing him to that deal at the time, it wasn't considered so ridiculous and out of whack on a Sanchez-extension level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 ^ Great context and info, as always. It's just a little hard to reconcile the supply-and-demand justification for Holmes' deal with the reality that the demand for him a year prior was clearly negligible. The best case scenario would be that the Jets became convinced that Holmes had turned a corner maturity-wise, so he was worth the risk. But, giving a long-term deal to an historic malcontent never seems to pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 ^ Great context and info, as always. It's just a little hard to reconcile the supply-and-demand justification for Holmes' deal with the reality that the demand for him a year prior was clearly negligible. The best case scenario would be that the Jets became convinced that Holmes had turned a corner maturity-wise, so he was worth the risk. But, giving a long-term deal to an historic malcontent never seems to pay off. Randy Moss was an historic malcontent when NE got him for a 4th rounder then extended him at $9M/year or whatever it was. Then they traded him mid-season and got a higher pick than they paid to get him in the first place and it didn't obliterate their cap to move him. Holmes never had the potential Randy Moss did, but still he's an example. Then again, in Holmes's first year here he didn't set the NFL record for touchdown receptions in a single season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Randy Moss was an historic malcontent when NE got him for a 4th rounder then extended him at $9M/year or whatever it was. Then they traded him mid-season and got a higher pick than they paid to get him in the first place and it didn't obliterate their cap to move him. Holmes never had the potential Randy Moss did, but still he's an example. Then again, in Holmes's first year here he didn't set the NFL record for touchdown receptions in a single season. Word, but Randy Moss was a Hall of Famer already and it was the Raiders who dumped him. The Raiders are dummies. If the Steelers are dumping you, that's a red flag in and of itself. IMO, Tannenbaum jumped the gun on the Holmes extension because he felt it was the signature move of his administration--robbing the mighty Steelers--and he wanted to shout it from the mountaintop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Word, but Randy Moss was a Hall of Famer already and it was the Raiders who dumped him. The Raiders are dummies. If the Steelers are dumping you, that's a red flag in and of itself. IMO, Tannenbaum jumped the gun on the Holmes extension because he felt it was the signature move of his administration--robbing the mighty Steelers--and he wanted to shout it from the mountaintop. That goes both ways though. If the Raiders are dumping you because you are malcontent you probably have to get broken out of prison Sundays to play. You said yourself, perception is that the Steelers were dumping Holmes at least in part to teach Roethlisberger a lesson. Ben doesn't go all rape-y and they might have hung on to Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 That goes both ways though. If the Raiders are dumping you because you are malcontent you probably have to get broken out of prison Sundays to play. You said yourself, perception is that the Steelers were dumping Holmes at least in part to teach Roethlisberger a lesson. Ben doesn't go all rape-y and they might have hung on to Holmes. I think, clearly, Holmes getting dumped was a concession to Art Rooney to show that they were serious about cleaning up the locker room--they can't cut Ben, so they dumped the next most deviant a$$hole, which was Holmes. Poor timing on Holmes' part to get suspended for bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Word, but Randy Moss was a Hall of Famer already and it was the Raiders who dumped him. The Raiders are dummies. If the Steelers are dumping you, that's a red flag in and of itself. IMO, Tannenbaum jumped the gun on the Holmes extension because he felt it was the signature move of his administration--robbing the mighty Steelers--and he wanted to shout it from the mountaintop. He was the best available WR in FA, who just had a phenomenal year with the Jets basically winning 3 games by himself, he was flying around doing the flyboy thingy and everyone loved him, he was clearly Mark's favorite target on a team who had their 3 best WR's hitting FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I think, clearly, Holmes getting dumped was a concession to Art Rooney to show that they were serious about cleaning up the locker room--they can't cut Ben, so they dumped the next most deviant a$$hole, which was Holmes. Poor timing on Holmes' part to get suspended for bud. Exactly. Seeing a guy get moved because they can't dump the rapist is a reason not to be too nervous about the Steelers moving the guy. Whether they are smart or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Sperm Edwards, on 18 Mar 2013 - 10:12, said: Sperm Edwards, on 18 Mar 2013 - 10:12, said: Randy Moss was an historic malcontent when NE got him for a 4th rounder then extended him at $9M/year or whatever it was. Then they traded him mid-season and got a higher pick than they paid to get him in the first place and it didn't obliterate their cap to move him. Holmes never had the potential Randy Moss did, but still he's an example. Then again, in Holmes's first year here he didn't set the NFL record for touchdown receptions in a single season. Lets not act like Holmes wasn't really good the first year he was here, even with a terrible QB. There is no way they make the playoffs without him. They just misread the value for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADEDGREEN Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Exactly. Seeing a guy get moved because they can't dump the rapist is a reason not to be too nervous about the Steelers moving the guy. Whether they are smart or not. So what you are saying is, the real reason the Jets cut Woodhead was because he looked too much like a 13 year old girl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Exactly. Seeing a guy get moved because they can't dump the rapist is a reason not to be too nervous about the Steelers moving the guy. Whether they are smart or not. It doesn't change the fact that he had enough "indiscretions" on record to allow the Steelers to dump the reigning Super Bowl MVP. Really, the scary part isn't that they moved on from him--the scary part is that they only got a fifth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADEDGREEN Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 It doesn't change the fact that he had enough "indiscretions" on record to allow the Steelers to dump the reigning Super Bowl MVP. Really, the scary part isn't that they moved on from him--the scary part is that they only got a fifth. That part was Tanny's genius. stoic'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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