Joe Flacco Knocked Out of Game With Vicious Hit By Kiko Alonso that Sent Flacco's Helmet Flying

[pdxgreen]

My dad's friend was Suh's science teacher in high school.  Says he is as dumb as a lamp post.  Got caught with his girlfriend doing the class tests for him.  Which really freaked his parents out when they discovered it and they read him the riot act.  He almost got kicked off the Grant football team.  Just our luck, hunh?

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1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

Idk, Vontaze Burfict gives that man a reaaaaaaaal good run for his money.

I was gonna respond to this with one of the many dirty gifs of Suh, but instead, here's a gif of him getting punked by Chris Ivory:

[Sperm Edwards]

Yes Flacco knew he was sliding late (too late to be considered giving himself up), but Alonso also went low when he saw the QB was sliding. That is intent to injure - or at least get in a free shot - not intent to stop a ballcarrier. It's not like he made the pansy-pantomime, where he pulls his hands up/back to look like he's trying to hold back despite his unstoppable momentum. No. This was Alonso going full speed through the point he knew the player was sliding, leveling the full brunt of his hit about a foot off the ground: he knew what he was doing.

There are BS calls where a QB is hit incidentally because he gave himself up too late. This isn't one of them. 

[Larz]

The road teams performance on Thursday night is usually an aberration, Miami is not that bad

Flacco went down late 

Alonso could have held up some 

Really not that big a deal 

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Yes Flacco knew he was sliding late (too late to be considered giving himself up), but Alonso also went low when he saw the QB was sliding. That is intent to injure - or at least get in a free shot - not intent to stop a ballcarrier. It's not like he made the pansy-pantomime, where he pulls his hands up/back to look like he's trying to hold back despite his unstoppable momentum. No. This was Alonso going full speed through the point he knew the player was sliding, leveling the full brunt of his hit about a foot off the ground: he knew what he was doing.

There are BS calls where a QB is hit incidentally because he gave himself up too late. This isn't one of them. 

Fully agree.  

[Sperm Edwards]

On 10/27/2017 at 9:59 AM, Beerfish said:

I've said if before, sliding feet 1st is idiocy for QBs.  there is this faulty though that if you dive head first you are 'taking on tacklers' but when you are giving yourself up on a play there is normally no guy heads up on you.  When you slide feet 1st you have less control over the top end of your body and actually give a much better surface area target with your head being the biggest target. 

I've seen far more guys get their heads scrambled by feet 1st head shots than otherwise.  I'd teach my guys to never slide feet 1st.

Get what you're saying but the difference is going head-first a ballcarrier is still not down until touched. Then there's justification for more than just touching if it appears the ballcarrier is trying to get back up again (hard to say in real time if a mere touch is enough to down the play). Anyway, you can dive or fall forward by losing your footing (or some other special potential situation that isn't instantly coming to mind), and go untouched without ever intending to give yourself up.

In fairness, going head-first (which is everybody since no one leans back while running) a defender in real time can't be responsible for ascertaining which is your intention: falling forward b/c you lost balance, or falling forward b/c you've given yourself up.

With a feet-first slide, the intention is far more obvious (even in game speed), and there is no need to tackle or even touch the player, since there's no getting back up again to gain further yardage either way. 

Also what you're saying notwithstanding about the difficulties of body control (to protect oneself) with a feet-first slide, it also does put your head as far away as possible from an oncoming collision. But to your point, it wouldn't help at all if a body-launching hit's coming from the side; arguably even more so if it's from the side and just-behind the ballcarrier, as you're actually putting your head closer to the defender if you slide feet first.

Either way you're going to find situations where there are unintended bad consequences despite good intentions.

They could just do the college rule, where down is down whether you're touched or not. You trip on your laces or lose balance or slip on mud, despite going untouched by a defender, well that's tough titty.